Never heard the quotes you mention. Jay is not very bright. The fact that you equate being worth millions and the envy of thousands of people to intelligence shows how credulous you are. Jay is a meathead and not a worthy ambassador of the sport. He's block and looks like friggin barney rubble. 09 was his only good year - I can't take that away from him.
jay isnt bright?, yes he probabaly the most success businessman in bodybuilding but has won prob the least amount of bodybuilding titles compared to any other mr olympia in history, yet is the most successful bodybuilder to date in terms of wealth, he is switched on and was clever wen it came to making money unlike many previous mr olympias who havent done so well in terms of success
I don't know if DY is lying or not, but why would he even say anything at all? Did you see Jay's sorry ass attempt to answer about his use. Although, he's pretty much just a meathead. DY chose to write an article in MD, he chose to answer the question. WTF did he gain from even answering? Except getting a bunch of flack from a bunch of guys who are not pros and who will certainly never win the olympia. Maybe he's lying, maybe he's not. But most of the guys on here bragging about doing 2-5 grams of this and that don't really impress me. This goes back to DY's original synopsis about why he won; he trained harder and thought smarter about diet, drugs, training, and rest. Well, whatever people have their mind made up. Anybody want to try to get back to the original question about conditioning? My take is that extremes are in. Extreme size, and extreme dosages. Nobody wants balance. People would rather see somebody who looks "scary" rather than somebody who displays balance of size, symmetry, striations, and hardness.
maybe he did it for PR, marketing? no one will really know
as for his conditoning, i have no doubt he worked hard, dieted hard and put in an amazing work ethic to come in the shape he did, but u cant ignore the fact he used boatloads of substances jus like every other competitior to retain the kind of mass an condition he brought, his diet would have been useless without his drug regime and genetics
You know, Dorian's dosages are pretty close to the stuff Phil Hernon has mentioned he used to take when he was competing. Also, Emeric has said many times that he uses something along 300mg of test per week.
From all the years reading these guy's messages, I'm convinced they are above your average bodybuilder in general knowledge of this sport, just as I believe Dorian was above everyone else in intensity and discipline.
Some will call me naive and even understanding that these guys sell supplements and could have an agenda on this, I choose to believe them.
In this forum we have people using up to 7 or 8 grams of AAS per week and, to be quite honest, they don't look that great. To me, this is more than proof that this is not just about the drugs.
I think it's perfectly possible for someone like Dorian to look like that on 2.5g of AAS plus insulin and HGH. I honestly do...
phil also competed against craig titus who used more drugs then most people can comprehend, and as a bodybuilder craig was a freak
are u saying coz phil says he used less drugs then other bodybuilders of his time, that dorian the greatest bodybuilder of his time must have had super genetics and response to drugs?
do you think so many bodybuilder's have health complications becoz they used moderate doses of anabolics and relied on super genetic response to drugs?
ironic dorian looked like every other bodybuilder for years and then magically in a year or 2 blew the competition away with a new found size and conditioning,
do you think in one-2 years he learned some sort of secret diet and training philosophy? that put him in a new league ahead of the greatest geneticaly blessed bodybuilders of that time?(shawn ray, flex wheller, paul dillet, lee labrada, andreas munzter, milos sarxev) they also dieted and trained religiously like dorian and had amazing genetics, guess they jus werent blessed like dorian?
do you think dorian some how magicaly one year inherited some sort of new magical genetic response to the same drugs he used year after year?
or perhaps dorian might have done something different with his drug regime to put him ahead of everyone? like take more HGH, insulin and steroids? or maybe his waistline being probably the first thick waistline to be seen on the bodybuilding pro circuit was the result of heavy weight lifting and strict dieting
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It seems like most the guys talking about having to have massive amounts are naturally small guys. A good friend of mine just got out of the army. He's holding 270lbs and pretty solid. Dude doesn't even know what macros are or different types or protein. He was 240 ripped outta highschool. Another friend is holding 300 at like 5'10" on 300mg test E a week and a little var. Both could be pros within a couple years if they cared or had the coaching