Longevity in Body Building questions and answers

[biffnbash]

outside of health what about physical injuries? this is where ive been struggling the last couple of years.
first it was a blown quad, then a sprained wrist followed by a strained lat.

quad healed 100% or better. i ended up squatting over 100lbs more 1.5 years post injury.
wrist has been messed up for 1.5 years now. after 2 x-rays, one mri, 2 shots of cortisone and 1.5 years of anti inflammatory its still pretty bad. surgeon says theres nothing on the mri to repair.
lat is nagging. its been about 4 months. all pulling exercises have been limited.

Lifting those type of weights in crossfit workouts at our ages...only going to get worse my man.

Great thread.

 

[maldorf]

hough, I eat good all year.

As far as advice to younger BB's. Slow down and think what you are really doing to your body. Just don't look in the mirror. How do you really feel? Ask yourself a question: Does all that abuse really worth a trophy? Put important things in your life first. Think longevity and use it for a tool to create that.

It is tough for young guys to think like this. I know I always thought that I was smart enough to know if I was endangering myself using steroids. The thing that I never took into consideration is genetics. At a time, I knew after hitting the weights as hard as I could for 23 years that I didn't have the genetics to be a pro but I didn't consider genetics that might pose a risk to my health. It wasn't until I had my heart attack and almost died 2x that I had the doctor run a blood test and discovered my genetic trait for blood clots. Using steroids while having a trait for blood clots is like playing Russian roulette, and eventually your luck is going to run out. There are lots of genetic predispositions that can make taking steroids even more dangerous. I would tell anyone with a family history of heart disease to run a DNA test for clotting diseases and also think twice about their dose or even using at all. I wish that I had never started down the path but it is too late for me.

My cardiologist wanted me to start on a new med just approved by the FDA called Entresto. I had my father in law, who is a retired doctor, look into the drug and discovered that there is a risk taking it might lead to Alzheimer’s disease and blindness. When I called into the office and spoke to his nurse that was in charge of helping patients get on this new drug I got feedback that I myself was thinking. The doctors aren't really worried about patients suffering from these ill effects because the study went 5 years so far and nobody suffered any trouble. The fact is that a few patients with heart failure like mine don't even make it 5 years post heart attack, and a great deal die within 10 years. The docs must figure that the risk of Alzheimer's and blindness isn't a problem because their patients are going to die before it ever sets in. When 24% of heart attack survivors die within the first year, the risk getting ALzheimers and blindness takes a back burner I guess. This is the kind of shit I now face after my heart attack. Hopefully nobody else on this board will be in my shoes. I had my heart attack when I was 38 years old and I am now 45. I have made it over 7 years now but don't know when my number is going to come up.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...heart-attack-age-38-follow-up-phils-post.html
For any of the newer guys here:

 

[alfresco]

It’s all about me

This is a great topic. Pesty, thanks for starting it and keeping it alive
and the members for chiming in too . . .

Hard to believe, considering the length of my post, I really don’t have
much to add that already has been said and a lot has been said and I
hope the trend continues.

At 61 years old, been training since I was 18, I have zero aches, pains,
or injuries from lifting. I have sustained injuries from other activities
like rock climbing, karate, and a few other stupid things I have done,
but nothing long term from lifting. Sure I have had a sore back, shoulder,
and forearm (computer related), but they quickly went away . . . probably
would have gotten better anyway and I do attribute their quick recovery
to lifting.

What do I attribute this to? Genetics probably plays a huge part.
I am a lot stronger than I look (like a gymnast I have been told)
but I never lifted ‘heavy’, or did maximums (well a few when I was
younger) and I have always kept my reps over 10 and as high as
50 (squats). And I have never weight trained more than 4 days
a week and my form was always perfect . . . no cheating, heaving,
throwing the weights, always under control by my muscles, what
little I had.

I always had a good diet, never ate shit food or drank a lot or did
drugs (boring I know). I prepared all my food and always bought
the best food I could afford. I tried supplements: protein and
vitamins and minerals, etc., but they never made a difference
as far as I could tell . . . just expensive urine.

Thanks God I never tried steroids when I was younger as I surely
would have abused them, knowing what I know now. I have been
on TRT since February 14, 2006. I started at 200mg every 3 weeks
and have been as high as 600mg every 10 days but I got too big (for
me), clothes did not fit, I was always looking for a place to sit down,
felt like shit but looked good, haha . . . but what damn good is that if
don’t feel well enough to do anything but lift . . . my opinion. For
TRT now I do 100mg every 5 days, give blood every 2 months, and
have blood tests twice a year. My testosterone is high normal as is
my hematocrit.

I never get sick, can do anything I want to do and have just about
every test known to man performed on me (at a human performance
lab or doctor’s office) . . . ekg’s, stress / sonogram / nuclear on my
heart and I just had heart scan and it came back perfect, as have all
my all tests. I took myself off statins after 6 months and my doctor
agreed after additions research, considering my lifestyle and family
history but she did recommend a heart scan, which I said, it came
back perfect. She said I don’t need to check my cholesterol for
another 5 years. Nice.

But to be completely transparent I do have bit of a heart ‘flutter’ which
is genetic and harmless, does not affect my health or performance in
any way shape or form and I take a beta blocker (Metoprolol, 50mg, 2x
per day) so it keeps it a minimum. FYI . . . there is a procedure to fix it
but I am undecided if it worth it.

I also take Cialis, 5mg daily purely to prevent BPH and ½ of a vitamin
tablet when I remember, a baby aspirin when I remember it, and a
probiotic when I remember.

Not to steel Pesty’s thunder . . . but if anybody has any questions, I am
more than happy to answer any and all of them (as we all should be)
but Pesty is the big man on campus (BMC) here who has much more experience
and has forgotten more than I will ever know. What we do have in
common is many years of training, much life experience and an ‘old school’
philosophy to training and supplementation.

I will leave you with this . . . How much you eat determines how much
you weigh. What you eat determines how you look.

But of course, everybody already knows that.

 

[pesty4077]

Pesty this is a goldmine...thank you for your input it's invaluable.

Jus wondering whether u could run thru your supplement list and why u take each one...or what benefit it has to you?

So many out there is interesting g to see how u think each one is helping.

Thanks again

First I am genetically prone to high BP and Blood clots. I take certain supplements to keep it to a minimum. My BP is right where I want it at 120/80 average. I provided some links so you can see the benefits of each one.

Multi Vitamins (Self Explanatory)
Omega 3 Omega 3 Benefits | www.Omega-3.us
Red Yeast rice Benefits of Red Rice | Live Well - Jillian Michaels
Citrus Bergamot **broken link removed**
Ubiquinol Benefits Of Ubiquinol | Benefits Of
Potassium Benefits Of Potassium | Benefits Of
Garlic **broken link removed**
Vitamin D Vitamin D Benefits
Magnesium https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/minerals/health-benefits-of-magnesium.html
Humanofort https://bestbodytips.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/the-benefits-of-using-humanofort/
Vitamin C Newly Discovered Benefits Of Vitamin C - Life Extension
Nattokinase What is Nattokinase and What Are its Health Benefits :: Nattokinase Heart Health
Aspirin Daily aspirin therapy: Understand the benefits and risks - Mayo Clinic
Carditone Carditone® Cardiovascular Support

 

[pesty4077]

outside of health what about physical injuries? this is where ive been struggling the last couple of years.
first it was a blown quad, then a sprained wrist followed by a strained lat.

quad healed 100% or better. i ended up squatting over 100lbs more 1.5 years post injury.
wrist has been messed up for 1.5 years now. after 2 x-rays, one mri, 2 shots of cortisone and 1.5 years of anti inflammatory its still pretty bad. surgeon says theres nothing on the mri to repair.
lat is nagging. its been about 4 months. all pulling exercises have been limited.

I want to touch on this with my training in a little bit. The only thing you can do is give it rest. Lots of warm ups and stretching helps too. Sometimes you will need to ice it after workouts.

 

[kscowboy]

First I am genetically prone to high BP and Blood clots. I take certain supplements to keep it to a minimum. My BP is right where I want it at 120/80 average. I provided some links so you can see the benefits of each one.

Multi Vitamins (Self Explanatory)
Omega 3 Omega 3 Benefits | www.Omega-3.us
Red Yeast rice Benefits of Red Rice | Live Well - Jillian Michaels
Citrus Bergamot **broken link removed**
Ubiquinol Benefits Of Ubiquinol | Benefits Of
Potassium Benefits Of Potassium | Benefits Of
Garlic **broken link removed**
Vitamin D Vitamin D Benefits
Magnesium https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/minerals/health-benefits-of-magnesium.html
Humanofort https://bestbodytips.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/the-benefits-of-using-humanofort/
Vitamin C Newly Discovered Benefits Of Vitamin C - Life Extension
Nattokinase What is Nattokinase and What Are its Health Benefits :: Nattokinase Heart Health
Aspirin Daily aspirin therapy: Understand the benefits and risks - Mayo Clinic
Carditone Carditone® Cardiovascular Support

Do you feel anything particular helps with BP the most. Mine can creep up a bit from time to time and wouldn't mind throwing in something to help keep it consistently lower.

 

[pesty4077]

Do you feel anything particular helps with BP the most. Mine can creep up a bit from time to time and wouldn't mind throwing in something to help keep it consistently lower.

Without a doubt, Carditone.

 

[alfresco]

certo pectin

Try ‘certo pectin’ for cholesterol lowering. Google it. I have friends that
have had great success with it, swear by it, and so do their doctors.
(It originated as “cure” for arthritis.) I don’t use it but others I know do.

Anybody else know about this?

 

[maldorf]

Not to steel Pesty’s thunder . . . but if anybody has any questions, I am
more than happy to answer any and all of them (as we all should be)
but Pesty is the big man on campus (BMC) here who has much more experience
and has forgotten more than I will ever know. What we do have in
common is many years of training, much life experience and an ‘old school’
philosophy to training and supplementation.
.

I wish I had played it like you did. It was and still is my personality though to want to push everything I do to the max. Now that I don't bodybuild anymore it is driving my car at the track. Already looking at flashing the ECU to add more power and change the suspension, maybe do a sportier exhaust etc. I feel like driving 150 mph on the back straight at the track is safer than what I used to do!

 

[alfresco]

I wish I had played it like you did. It was and still is my personality though to want to push everything I do to the max. Now that I don't bodybuild anymore it is driving my car at the track. Already looking at flashing the ECU to add more power and change the suspension, maybe do a sportier exhaust etc. I feel like driving 150 mph on the back straight at the track is safer than what I used to do!

M,

Glad you have found another interest / passion that you excel in. Much like you,
I am a 100%er . . . like a light switch, on or off until it comes to my health. In
bodybuilding for instance, the lure of drugs and the unavoidable side effects
were a few of the many protections against my temptation; but my cowardice
was the greatest. Sorry . . . I am no lab rat.

So thanks Maldorf. Your comments mean a lot to me. You have looked
‘adversity’ in the eyes, I know that and it changed you for the better. I have
too (not bodybuilding, or health) . . .for instance an irate, scared Soviet
youth with an AK-47 firmly planted on my forehead. But you have been
through worse . . . mine was temporary . . . but it did change me . . .
as did the 13 year old girl I saw, raped and murdered and discarded in a
wheat field like a Dixie cup . . . or the young man I found at night, hanging
from an oak tree, a noose around his neck having died a result of suicide or
a body rolled up in as old carpet laying off the side of a turnout in a country
road, the stench unmistakable unless experienced. Those things stick with
you . . . make bodybuilding look like child’s play and irrelevant but you
move on . . . or you don’t.

I have never divulged these things here before but this post is getting some
traffic and my comments might be of value.

Bodybuilders, much like all serious mountaineers (something else I have
done) have big egos. They cannot take on the risks and constant suffering
of big mountains without one. They may talk like Buddhists but don’t be
fooled . . . they are actually hard-driving narcissists. The price of success
must always be paid in full, and it is always paid in advance.

In closing . . . I am reminded of this quote . . . “Everyone who is born holds
a dual citizenship; in the kingdom of the well and in the kingdom of the sick”
Susan Sontag wrote in her introduction to Illness as Metaphor. "Although
we all prefer to use only the good passport, sooner or later each of us is
obliged, at least for a spell, to identify ourselves as citizens of that other
place."

Be well and have a joyous and healthy Xmas and New Year.

 

[emeric delczeg]

This is my current list:

Multi
Omega 3
Red Yeast rice
Citrus Bergamot
Ubiquinol
Potassium
Garlic
Vitamin D
Magnesium
Humanofort
Vitamin C
Nattokinase
Aspirin
Carditone

Very solid.

 

[rippedyearround]

I really appreciate the words of wisdom gentlemen.

 

[pesty4077]

Very solid.

Thanks Emeric. Of course a few of those supplements were your recommendations.

 

[rainstony]

Do you take everyone of those? Everyday? Some off cycle and some on? I'm 26, any reason for me to NOT start taking all of these?

I'm working towards competing myself. Nothing big. Just to be in the few percentage that can.

Do you just take them according to the label directions?

 

[pesty4077]

Do you take everyone of those? Everyday? Some off cycle and some on? I'm 26, any reason for me to NOT start taking all of these?

I'm working towards competing myself. Nothing big. Just to be in the few percentage that can.

Do you just take them according to the label directions?

Yes, I take every day. I split the doses Morning and Night. Some I take the recommend doses, some a little more. Taking supplements like this even at your age, will have a positive impact when you compete. You can get specific bloodwork to determine your Vitamin and minerals. If you are on AAS, some of these on a must. I suggest you get bloodwork when you are on and off and check your blood pressure every day.

Do yourself a favor, on Post #64 I provided links that can explain the benefits of each one. Read up on those articles. Also I suggest you become a member of Life Extension, they got articles that can teach you a lot about supplements. I learn a lot from that magazine. Also there are plenty of threads here about it too. Use the search button.

 

[rainstony]

Yes, I take every day. I split the doses Morning and Night. Some I take the recommend doses, some a little more. Taking supplements like this even at your age, will have a positive impact when you compete. You can get specific bloodwork to determine your Vitamin and minerals. If you are on AAS, some of these on a must. I suggest you get bloodwork when you are on and off and check your blood pressure every day.

Do yourself a favor, on Post #64 I provided links that can explain the benefits of each one. Read up on those articles. Also I suggest you become a member of Life Extension, they got articles that can teach you a lot about supplements. I learn a lot form that magazine.

Ya I was one of the young ones that never got bloodwork. Over the last year though, I got serious with everything, including bloodwork. I get bloodwork on cycle, and when I'm on an HRT dose, to see when I can go back on again. If my numbers are off, I wait until they are stable for a few weeks.

Just also invested in a medical grade manual blood pressure monitor and I've been monitoring it daily. Bought a cheap wrist one and it had me freaking out throwing numbers like 140/100 all the time.

I have been reading up on the links you posted though. To get a head start on the in depths of all of them.

 

[bill2]

I know this wasn't directed at me, but it's already been said in here several times its up to YOUR bloodwork to tell you this. I can tell you that 20mg 5x/week sub q got me fro 330 to 990. That's right about where I want to be...at the high normal levels as long as E2 is in check. Now I did just finish up a recomp blast, and this is where knowing when to put your foot on the gas comes in. For me, it was dictated by my BP. Once it started to rise above 140 I backed it down. I check it daily. But thanks to this past recomp, I am now consistently at 120/80 whereas I was in the mid 140's 6 months ago when I was much heavier and only on TRT. No BP meds either, just a very healthy bodyweight now and using some of the key supps already mentioned in here like carditone, K2, curc, ubiquinol and one I didn't see mentioned yet that Dante recommended to me..pycogenol.

Great thread...thanks Pesty for your contributions to it!

thank you sir!

 

[rainstony]

Yes, I take every day. I split the doses Morning and Night. Some I take the recommend doses, some a little more. Taking supplements like this even at your age, will have a positive impact when you compete. You can get specific bloodwork to determine your Vitamin and minerals. If you are on AAS, some of these on a must. I suggest you get bloodwork when you are on and off and check your blood pressure every day.

Do yourself a favor, on Post #64 I provided links that can explain the benefits of each one. Read up on those articles. Also I suggest you become a member of Life Extension, they got articles that can teach you a lot about supplements. I learn a lot from that magazine. Also there are plenty of threads here about it too. Use the search button.

I do have to say though. I'm a full time college student, living the college life. Monthly cost of that entire supplement list I'm sure rises in the $100+ dollar range alone, if not more.

If you had to pick say, 5 top supplements to take, on a budget..what would that be?

Also have you ever heard of, and what do you think, of Diviya Mukta Vati? Supposedly an all natural herb blend that phenomenol for blood pressure, as well as overall anxiety and stress.

 

[Phidias]

The one thing I know with certainty is the less I eat, the better I feel... and the younger I look!

Too bad a very low kcal diet isn't the best approach to retain muscle...

 

[kscowboy]

The one thing I know with certainty is the less I eat, the better I feel... and the younger I look!

Too bad a very low kcal diet isn't the best approach to retain muscle...

But the more ripped you are, the more muscle you appear to have. Its a good smoke and mirrors benefit.