For people who can't handle Test/Estrogen

[AVelasques911]

Curious about other cycle options

I just posted about my major erectile dysfunction issues on 150 test/150 mast EOD with 12.5 aromasin EOD.
This has been an ongoing thing though, even on 100-200mg TRT I needed about 1/2 an aromasin daily just to keep it working, and at 200mg I would eventually start to get a bit of gyno, so it was a week of letro every 3 months of so.

Just got bloodwork, so now I just wait for the results.

But was with a girl last night and same issue as usual, couldn't get it up at all. Ate her out and gave her a couple O's that way so she ended up all smiles but so humiliating and it's to the point where, pending on bloodwork, I might just have to call this quits. I mean, if I need 12.5 mg aromasin on just 100mg of test, how much do I need on 500-750, 50mg???

For reference, without an ai or anything, on just 100mg of test and 500iu HCG my test was 790 and sensitive e2 was 32. And that was just as bad as now, zero erections. So it shows you just how sensitive I am to e2, as soon as I took a nightly dose of 12.5mg aromasin, everything was much better.

So what are my options before I give up on steroids. I'm thinking 100mg test with 2-350 mg of tren and 350mg of masteron. It's fine because tren makes me feel really good (i have medication for controlling the cardio sides) but the sweating is a nightmare. I have NPP as well which I could do the same with but after all this ED, I'm afraid to even go near anything deca but with an equal amount of mast and caber I guess what have I got to lose, my dick already doesn't work lol.

But those seem like the only legit options, I don't want orals.

 

[Goody]

Wait for labs before deciding anything else. I can tell u that on that dose of test AND mast that amount of aromasin would crush my e2 levels and my dick wouldn’t work either, I have had it happen and it took about a month to recover e2 to a healthy level
I find that cialis and such will work fine if e2 is slightly elevated if e2 is crushed it doesn’t work at all

 

[Kineticmacks]

Check prolactin.

 

[Kaladryn]

stop guessing your E2 level based on sex drive

 

[aphextwin]

Curious about other cycle options

I just posted about my major erectile dysfunction issues on 150 test/150 mast EOD with 12.5 aromasin EOD.
This has been an ongoing thing though, even on 100-200mg TRT I needed about 1/2 an aromasin daily just to keep it working, and at 200mg I would eventually start to get a bit of gyno, so it was a week of letro every 3 months of so.

Just got bloodwork, so now I just wait for the results.

But was with a girl last night and same issue as usual, couldn't get it up at all. Ate her out and gave her a couple O's that way so she ended up all smiles but so humiliating and it's to the point where, pending on bloodwork, I might just have to call this quits. I mean, if I need 12.5 mg aromasin on just 100mg of test, how much do I need on 500-750, 50mg???

For reference, without an ai or anything, on just 100mg of test and 500iu HCG my test was 790 and sensitive e2 was 32. And that was just as bad as now, zero erections. So it shows you just how sensitive I am to e2, as soon as I took a nightly dose of 12.5mg aromasin, everything was much better.

So what are my options before I give up on steroids. I'm thinking 100mg test with 2-350 mg of tren and 350mg of masteron. It's fine because tren makes me feel really good (i have medication for controlling the cardio sides) but the sweating is a nightmare. I have NPP as well which I could do the same with but after all this ED, I'm afraid to even go near anything deca but with an equal amount of mast and caber I guess what have I got to lose, my dick already doesn't work lol.

But those seem like the only legit options, I don't want orals.

Why do so many of you guys use HCG? I see more guys write about have sex issues while using it, is it related....I don't know. I've never used it. Are you looking to get your girl pregnant one day?

 

[OutToLunch]

Why do so many of you guys use HCG? I see more guys write about have sex issues while using it, is it related....I don't know. I've never used it. Are you looking to get your girl pregnant one day?

Many trt clinics provide it as part of the protocol to prevent shut down

 

[pickapeck]

After you get it sorted and if you still have issues with all your steroid hormones in range you might keep an eye out for some Cialis. I take one on Friday morning and I'm good to go Friday night through Tuesday. Every month or so I take a break of 2 weeks from it to stay sensitive to the drug and that has been my saving grace. Thre is an affordable version called Cebus by Cipla that you can get from online pharmacies. It works fine and is pharma grade.

 

[lookatpicture]

I understand your frustration and have been there..... have you tried masteron or tren?

 

[LATS]

After you get it sorted and if you still have issues with all your steroid hormones in range you might keep an eye out for some Cialis. I take one on Friday morning and I'm good to go Friday night through Tuesday. Every month or so I take a break of 2 weeks from it to stay sensitive to the drug and that has been my saving grace. Thre is an affordable version called Cebus by Cipla that you can get from online pharmacies. It works fine and is pharma grade.

That's one thing some don't understand.. They take cialis consistantly every other day for months in end to enhance workouts etc.. The issue starts months later when you stop responding to it for ED.. Then you start hearing the dry of " I have fake cialis".. No you lost your sensitivity to it.. It's actually a pretty common occurence..

 

[AVelasques911]

Thanks for the replies

Cialis doesn't do anything for me when my e2 is off, I've taken 40mg of pharm grade a few hours before sex and nothing.

I just got bloodwork, takes me a few days to get the results. My guessing is just coming from previous bloodwork. On 100mg of test my e2 was 32 and I had zero erectile function, as soon as I added 1/4 to 1/2 an aromasin nightly, things began working fine. Yes, it is just a guess, but logic tells me that if I needed 1/2 an aromasin daily on 100mg of TRT, then how can I possibly need less on 500-750mg. But who knows. I just seem to really be overly sensitive to e2.

Tren is an option. I love tren, I feel euphoric on it, It doesn't affect my cardio, the sweating is pretty unbearable though but perhaps working my way up very slowly over a few cycles. NPP is an option too, with enough Masteron and caber, still a bit scary for someone with Ed issues though.

As for HCG. I just don't want my balls shrinking. I hate HCG, I don't want kids so the fertility benefit is a huge con for me.

 

[joos23]

That's one thing some don't understand.. They take cialis consistantly every other day for months in end to enhance workouts etc.. The issue starts months later when you stop responding to it for ED.. Then you start hearing the dry of " I have fake cialis".. No you lost your sensitivity to it.. It's actually a pretty common occurence..

So is taking 5mg of cialis daily a bad idea for prostate? Better to use it eod or what do you suggest?

 

[marssel]

So is taking 5mg of cialis daily a bad idea for prostate? Better to use it eod or what do you suggest?

I have been doing this for well over a year and have no issues at all,and a very happy prostate

 

[juggy38]

High prolactin kills weiners. Wait for blood work to come back.

As for cycles if you aromatize heavily stick to multiple anabolics like

Test 200
NPP 400-500
Mast 400

Or maybe

Test 200
Tren E 200
Primo 700mg

 

[Slowmoe]

Swap to 70mg trest a week and get back with us

 

[thebigbus]

Just see what estradiol is. I know one thing, i recently came off a long cut with test at 300mg/week and mast at 200mg/week. Mast isn't supposed to tank estradiol, but it sure has for me. So I'll be curious what your estradiol is. May be too low.

 

[liquid_c]

The aromasin may be the issue. I've seen a LOT more sex drive issues caused by low estrogen vs high estrogen. High estrogen is not as much of an issue and has many benefits "assuming you don't have gyno problems" as long as testosterone is high as well.

 

[heman4u]

I get Off test for a month or two occasionally due to one reason or other, and I get Low test in the 240 range, high estro etc. Before sex was hell for me until I tried Cialis lol. Now with a 20mg of Cialis I fuck like crazy for 3 days. Sometimes I wonder whether this is a testo booster too lol.

 

[rookx750]

stop guessing your E2 level based on sex drive

This^^^ with the mast low dose test i willing to bet you estrogen is next to nothing. People are terrified of estrogen and try to put all this math into what their ratio will be on this or that particular dose.....welll nothing is going to work unless you see bloodsTHEN go off that. Maybe you need you estrogen to be at 60 to feel good.

I was talking 750 + test n was using .5 exam eod ( doc orders of course) and my estro was 58. Would I have ever guess this no I thought it would be through the roof as sex drive wasn’t AMAZING. There are other factors that only blood show.

 

[Rogue]

Just see what estradiol is. I know one thing, i recently came off a long cut with test at 300mg/week and mast at 200mg/week. Mast isn't supposed to tank estradiol, but it sure has for me. So I'll be curious what your estradiol is. May be too low.

Not likely, Masterone (DHT) has better affinity to the E receptor, over the long term it competed and occupied the receptor giving you the low E symptoms.

This^^^ with the mast low dose test i willing to bet you estrogen is next to nothing. People are terrified of estrogen and try to put all this math into what their ratio will be on this or that particular dose.....welll nothing is going to work unless you see bloodsTHEN go off that. Maybe you need you estrogen to be at 60 to feel good.

Or to used less DHT derivatives, so the aromatized estrogen can latch onto and activate the receptor.

I was talking 750 + test n was using .5 exam eod ( doc orders of course) and my estro was 58. Would I have ever guess this no I thought it would be through the roof as sex drive wasn’t AMAZING. There are other factors that only blood show.

AI will cause ED by other mechanisms asides from the E factors.

 

[thebigbus]

Not likely, Masterone (DHT) has better affinity to the E receptor, over the long term it competed and occupied the receptor giving you the low E symptoms.

well, my estradiol was 4, so... LoL. Masteron can also inhibit aromatase to a degree. maybe in me it was excessive.

I think for the OP, it's probably the AI. I was just saying, don't discount Masteron. It may affect him the way it affected me :-D