Masteron and Equipoise to control estrogen

[Gunsmith]

It seems like more and more people are blaming combined Mast/EQ for having crashed estrogen lately.
I personally do find that mastcan help control elevated E2 levels when test doses are low to moderate but once you start cranking the dose up you MIGHT need something more.
A guy i worked with over seas is running a stout growth cycle and had decided that he was going to use jjst Masteron and Equipoise as his anti estrogen control agents.
After 11 weeks of 1050mg/wk test E , 800mg/wk EQ and 400mg/wk Mast E he started to have erectile issues and had labs drawn to see where he was thinking that his estrogen was to low.
This picture is where he is. Granted i thi think the Mast/EQ is probably doing something but at tbat dose of test the aromatase is simply to high.
I've heard alot of guys complain of some ED issues suspicious that there estrogen might be to low due to running other hormones that are SUPPOSED to be anti estrogens but are not as effective as expected.
Bottom line is have labs drawn to see exactly whats going on rather than assuming the bro science you read is accurate.

 

[luki7788]

It seems like more and more people are blaming combined Mast/EQ for having crashed estrogen lately.
I personally do find that mastcan help control elevated E2 levels when test doses are low to moderate but once you start cranking the dose up you MIGHT need something more.
A guy i worked with over seas is running a stout growth cycle and had decided that he was going to use jjst Masteron and Equipoise as his anti estrogen control agents.
After 11 weeks of 1050mg/wk test E , 800mg/wk EQ and 400mg/wk Mast E he started to have erectile issues and had labs drawn to see where he was thinking that his estrogen was to low.
This picture is where he is. Granted i thi think the Mast/EQ is probably doing something but at tbat dose of test the aromatase is simply to high.
I've heard alot of guys complain of some ED issues suspicious that there estrogen might be to low due to running other hormones that are SUPPOSED to be anti estrogens but are not as effective as expected.
Bottom line is have labs drawn to see exactly whats going on rather than assuming the bro science you read is accurate.

I have a similar opinion, but isn't this test just an ordinary ECILA test? if so, the result is false because the high estrone level caused by the aromatizer EQ to e1 shows overall high estradiol

a sensitive estrogen test is needed

 

[M@NU]

I think EQ and Mast act more or less as SERMs. Primo on the other hand works as a somewhat reliable AI

 

[Pizza15]

In my experience EQ and Primo was like adding an AI to a cycle, instead Masteron was more or less like Nolvadex.

When i used 20 Nolvadex ed + 300 MastE ew, i felt low e2 even on 1500mg TestE a week

Primo definetely works as AI almost for everyone, but in different doses.

 

[Alzadosghost]

I agree. I put a lil eq in the mix just because I know it keeps me a little dryer and most definitely lowers estrogen a lot too much will crush it.

 

[Doitagain]

Keep in mind that using Mast means an overall less estrogenic environment that doesn't necessarily translates into a lower E2 reading.

 

[mexbeast]

When elephants go into what do they call it? Must? Do they have a crazy high estrogen or is it high test? Why is estrogen the only thing people think about when libido issues occur? In this case the anabolic activity is higher than the androgenic activity, hence the ed issues! I bet that if he drops the eq the issue will resolve

 

[Fa Seeshus]

You have other upstream sex hormones like pregnenolone and dhea. Supplementing with them while on hardening androgens helps, as both also convert to estrogen and dht, generally in the amounts you actually need. Prolactin is also a factor. Many of these things you just don't know until you get blood work. In one of the posts above it is stated "I felt low e2." This is the type of broscience that could lead to someone chasing the wrong culprit. Again, I don't want to ever be negative on a post, but you don't "feel" a hormone imbalance. You get labs.

 

[st114]

Masteron does absolutely nothing to my E2 levels. I still need to take my AI as normal when using Test/Mast. 700/700 test/mast and my E2 was still over 100
Primo on the other hand drastically lowers my E2

 

[SherlockFoam]

neither masteron or EQ affect my E2 levels- masteron maybe masks high E2 sides for me a bit but that’s about it.

When I’ve added EQ in (750 / wk) my estrogen was actually higher on it, and I certainly felt it was too.


I think the pharmacokinetics of these drugs vary substantially from person to person and the only true way to tell how they affect you personally is through accurate and consistent lab work.

 

[liv2pb]

Mast/EQ don't do anything to control my estrogen unfortunately

 

[Reno911]

Masteron does absolutely nothing to my E2 levels. I still need to take my AI as normal when using Test/Mast. 700/700 test/mast and my E2 was still over 100
Primo on the other hand drastically lowers my E2

Mast doesn't touch mine either but I don't have any high estrogen sides even if my labs are high. I think this is the SERM effect where it's clogging the receptor up but the estradiol is still circulating causing it to be elevated on labs.

 

[danieltx]

Masteron does absolutely nothing to my E2 levels. I still need to take my AI as normal when using Test/Mast. 700/700 test/mast and my E2 was still over 100
Primo on the other hand drastically lowers my E2

neither masteron or EQ affect my E2 levels- masteron maybe masks high E2 sides for me a bit but that’s about it.

When I’ve added EQ in (750 / wk) my estrogen was actually higher on it, and I certainly felt it was too.


I think the pharmacokinetics of these drugs vary substantially from person to person and the only true way to tell how they affect you personally is through accurate and consistent lab work.

Mast/EQ don't do anything to control my estrogen unfortunately

Mast doesn't touch mine either but I don't have any high estrogen sides even if my labs are high. I think this is the SERM effect where it's clogging the receptor up but the estradiol is still circulating causing it to be elevated on labs.

I'm pretty surprised nobody knows this - masteron doesn't lower estrogen, it only blocks it from acting on the receptor.

 

[Mufasa123]

Can't speak to Mast as I don't use enough mg to isolate it in testing but here are some E2 sensative with no Ai on primo and equipoise:

500 test e, 200 deca, 600 primo and E2 was 31 (or 1pt out of range probably would have been 2x without primo or >100)

1000 test e, 600 deca, 600 equipoise and E2 was 21. Eq is a nuclear bomb to my estradiol as I had been crippled worse than I'd ever been at 750 test. And yeah, I've crashed E2 before.

 

[juiceball44]

On 700mg test c and 700mg primo (100mg each everyday) no ai my estradiol was 38

On 250mg test c a week by itself estradiol was 45

 

[Fa Seeshus]

At first I thought DHB was acting strongly on estrogen by the fast hardening you get, but I didn't see anything drastic on labs in regards to estrogen. Compounds like DHB and Superdrol (and anavar for me, YMMV) cause a ton of intramuscular glycogen and fluid storage, leading to a much harder and ripped look if you are already lean. Again, this is not from estrogen reduction. In fact, if you totally tank estrogen you can get crappy glycogen storage (which BTW is where some f up immediately precontest).

 

[Fleezy]

On 700mg test c and 700mg primo (100mg each everyday) no ai my estradiol was 38

On 250mg test c a week by itself estradiol was 45

this is interesting

 

[slesh]

Masteron does absolutely nothing to my E2 levels. I still need to take my AI as normal when using Test/Mast. 700/700 test/mast and my E2 was still over 100
Primo on the other hand drastically lowers my E2

Something to keep in mind - having E2 at that number isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It’s more about the ratio with your Test and how lean you are. I can be on 2 grams of Test and have an E2 reading of 175 and still feel/look awesome. Don’t just nuke your E2 based on the number alone - other factors to consider as well…

 

[slesh]

On 700mg test c and 700mg primo (100mg each everyday) no ai my estradiol was 38

On 250mg test c a week by itself estradiol was 45

Was everything else consistent?

 

[LATS]

Keep in mind that using Mast means an overall less estrogenic environment that doesn't necessarily translates into a lower E2 reading.

Exactly.. my e2 stays the same on mast.. but mast does tend to act like a serm and you can tell the difference when running mast as opposed to not running mast.. test is much more tolerable even when e2 levels are high when mast is added..
Primo on the other hand actually lower estrogen levels. Some people more than others.. but its does work.. but like anything blood work is needed to know if it's effective for you and at what dose