SOME OF THE MORE STUPID STORIES I'VE HEARD ABOUT STEROIDS

[Stylz]

I have heard that steroids.......

1) Raise blood pressure
2) Raise bad cholesterol
3) Raise hematocrit to dangerous levels
4) Shrink testicles
5) Cause major hormonal imbalance
6) Disrupt HPT axis
7) Lead to heart attacks
8) Lead to strokes
9) Cause depression
10) Get you thrown in jail
11) Cause acne


Oh wait, those are all true.

Don't be ignorant. We're not talking about abusing steroids.

If you abuse 99% of any medication or supplement it can lead to most of what you listed above.

 

[xxsuprman22xx]

i love it when somebody comes into a thread playing good samaritan. We are talking about the ridiculous notions people have about anabolic steroids. But thanks for the help, i'll throw all my gear out now. Fewww thanks for saving my life.

btw the one i hear all the time is "He's obviously on steroids, i could look like that if i took steroids"

 

[Bilbo]

Don't be ignorant. We're not talking about abusing steroids.

If you abuse 99% of any medication or supplement it can lead to most of what you listed above.

If its illegal, used without a prescription or more than prescribed, then its abused.

Whos ignorant here? You guys are talking about all the big misconceptions you hear people say about steroids.

Well, here's a funny one I heard....
"Steroids are safe"!

That one had me roflmao!

 

[FuckOprah]

If its illegal, used without a prescription or more than prescribed, then its abused.

Whos ignorant here? You guys are talking about all the big misconceptions you hear people say about steroids.

Well, here's a funny one I heard....
"Steroids are safe"!

That one had me roflmao!

dude your so right about everything you've said, let's talk trash about steroids on a bb'ing forum where the main topic is about performance enhancing drugs, hey lets talk shit about Tom Prince, his steroid abuse is what caused his kidney problems in the first place rightr?!@?@!?!@ oh wait, that was an advil OD

 

[Bilbo]

dude your so right about everything you've said, let's talk trash about steroids on a bb'ing forum where the main topic is about performance enhancing drugs, hey lets talk shit about Tom Prince, his steroid abuse is what caused his kidney problems in the first place rightr?!@?@!?!@ oh wait, that was an advil OD

Your the one who mentioned Tom Prince.

I've got a better idea than talking about Tom Prince,

Lets talk about Maldorf, or Bald Nazi, or Pekkerwood, or even Big Bapper may he rest in peace.

How about you stop being a ignorant and trying to convince yourself that what your doing is harmless. Its not.

 

[robot]

I have heard that steroids.......

1) Raise blood pressure
2) Raise bad cholesterol
3) Raise hematocrit to dangerous levels
4) Shrink testicles
5) Cause major hormonal imbalance
6) Disrupt HPT axis
7) Lead to heart attacks
8) Lead to strokes
9) Cause depression
10) Get you thrown in jail
11) Cause acne


Oh wait, those are all true.

10) is an american issue

 

[Designbuilt]

If its illegal, used without a prescription or more than prescribed, then its abused.

Whos ignorant here? You guys are talking about all the big misconceptions you hear people say about steroids.

Well, here's a funny one I heard....
"Steroids are safe"!

That one had me roflmao!

Not in Mexico. Why is it that there is no "Steroid Problem" in Mexico? Its seems as if they aren't as bad for you over there as they are here. Maybe you sould watch this.

YouTube - Truth about Steroids

 

[Bilbo]

Not in Mexico. Why is it that there is no "Steroid Problem" in Mexico? Its seems as if they aren't as bad for you over there as they are here. Maybe you sould watch this.

YouTube - Truth about Steroids

Ive seen it man, and I believe it. I know the evidence and am a well educated grown man. I just think there needs to be some better balance on this board. Real people are having real health problems from steroids. They are not all fun and games. I hate the idea of kids coming on here (anyone under 25) and jumping on the bandwagon blindly. Yeah research is their responsibility, but with only pro steroid threads it seems the good far outweighs the bad (which is true in the case of steroids in general IMO). There is no way in this day of age that parents can monitor their kids online activities. No way at all. This is a board full of adults teaching how to use drugs. There just needs to be more balance.

Every time someone says steroids might not be safe, they get attacked. Thats because everyone knows its true but would rather not entertain that idea.

They are not safe.

For all you kiddies that think they are, I suggest reading Maldorfs thread, or BN's, or Pekkerwoods, and look into Big Bapper.

Balance.

 

[xxsuprman22xx]

Ive seen it man, and I believe it. I know the evidence and am a well educated grown man. I just think there needs to be some better balance on this board. Real people are having real health problems from steroids. They are not all fun and games. I hate the idea of kids coming on here (anyone under 25) and jumping on the bandwagon blindly. Yeah research is their responsibility, but with only pro steroid threads it seems the good far outweighs the bad (which is true in the case of steroids in general IMO). There is no way in this day of age that parents can monitor their kids online activities. No way at all. This is a board full of adults teaching how to use drugs. There just needs to be more balance.

Every time someone says steroids might not be safe, they get attacked. Thats because everyone knows its true but would rather not entertain that idea.

They are not safe.

For all you kiddies that think they are, I suggest reading Maldorfs thread, or BN's, or Pekkerwoods, and look into Big Bapper.

Balance.

There is nothing wrong with expressing your concerns of the health implication of aas use. The problem is, it had no place being in this thread. The members you named, place their concerns in relative threads. See what I'm getting at? I dont think you meant any harm but can you see how the post was well...annoying, for lack of a better word.

 

[gridlock]

Ive seen it man, and I believe it. I know the evidence and am a well educated grown man. I just think there needs to be some better balance on this board. Real people are having real health problems from steroids. They are not all fun and games. I hate the idea of kids coming on here (anyone under 25) and jumping on the bandwagon blindly. Yeah research is their responsibility, but with only pro steroid threads it seems the good far outweighs the bad (which is true in the case of steroids in general IMO). There is no way in this day of age that parents can monitor their kids online activities. No way at all. This is a board full of adults teaching how to use drugs. There just needs to be more balance.

Every time someone says steroids might not be safe, they get attacked. Thats because everyone knows its true but would rather not entertain that idea.

They are not safe.

For all you kiddies that think they are, I suggest reading Maldorfs thread, or BN's, or Pekkerwoods, and look into Big Bapper.

Balance.

Look you bell-end. It was a light hearted thread. if you want to discuss this shit, start your own, but people like you that come on to threads and totally change the subject then start long arguments generally don't last long round here.

and as for people saying steroids are safe, nobody on here has said they are safe, we were talking about the general misconceptions that people have with steroid taking. 90% of us on here are big enough and ugly enough to know the truth, just because its not discussed every fucking minute it doesnt mean the knowledge isnt there. people have their own agenda in life and will do what they want. when people need the advice they will come on here and ask.

If I put up a post about the funniest thing people have ever hear about ecstasy, would you somehow think I'm saying that its safe to take?

 

[iprimate]

If its illegal, used without a prescription or more than prescribed, then its abused.

Sorry but this isn't what is generallly understood as abuse. The notion of substance abuse has nothing to do with legality and can't be inferred purely on the basis of dosage. Alcohol is legal in the USA yet it is possible to abuse the substance.

By your warped logic it would be impossible to abuse alcohol or any legal substance. What about countries where AAS are legal? Are the bodybuilders in Greece, Spain, Egypt, Syria, Thailand, Moldovia and Russia not abusing AAS?

Whos ignorant here? You guys are talking about all the big misconceptions you hear people say about steroids.

You are ignorant and this isn't your first self-righteous anti-AAS post.

Well, here's a funny one I heard....
"Steroids are safe"!

That one had me roflmao!

Let's look at your list:

1) Raise blood pressure -- this is dose dependant and temporary and in any event it can be managed with antihypertensive drugs

2) Raise bad cholesterol -- this too is dose dependant and temporary and can be managed

3) Raise hematocrit to dangerous levels -- this too is dose dependant and temporary and can be controlled with phlebotomy

4) Shrink testicles -- this too is dose dependeant, temporary and treatable with SERMs, AIs, clomid and HCG

5) Cause major hormonal imbalance -- the "hormonal imbalance" in favor of androgens is desired, it is what brings the muscle growth

6) Disrupt HPT axis -- yes but same as (4

7) Lead to heart attacks -- AAS can cause heart attacks if you don't manage (1) and (3)

8) Lead to strokes -- very rare and same as (7)

9) Cause depression -- no evidence for this

10) Get you thrown in jail -- this isn't an intrinsic property of AAS, there are many countries in the world where AAS are legal and the solution to this problem is to decriminalise AAS

11) Cause acne -- not in everyone and not all AAS, again this is reversible on cessation of AAS use and is treatable

AAS can be used safely. Most of the harm associated with AAS use stems from the criminality of their use.

 

[iprimate]

Ive seen it man, and I believe it. I know the evidence and am a well educated grown man.

Proclaiming your knowledge and education is poor form. None of your posts evince knowledge or education, you are merely repeating anti-AAS agitprop.

I just think there needs to be some better balance on this board.

There is ample balance on this board. Balance is achieved by presenting results and conclusions from peer reviewed, pubmed indexed biomedical journals not by recirculating tabloid journalistic anti-AAS cliches.

Real people are having real health problems from steroids. They are not all fun and games.

I don't think anyone on this forum argues that AAS are "fun and games" but they aren't Satan's jizz either.

I hate the idea of kids coming on here (anyone under 25) and jumping on the bandwagon blindly.

A 21 year old isn't a "kid", he's a young adult. If you can vote, get married and start a family and be sent to war to kill another man then you are old enough to decide what to do with your own body.

Yeah research is their responsibility, but with only pro steroid threads it seems the good far outweighs the bad (which is true in the case of steroids in general IMO).

In most cases the good does outweigh the bad. Most people that use AAS don't become chronically ill or die from acute illness. You wish to focus on those forum members that have become chronically ill or died whilst ignoring the fact that most members haven't.

There is no way in this day of age that parents can monitor their kids online activities. No way at all. This is a board full of adults teaching how to use drugs. There just needs to be more balance.

This forum isn't intended for kids i.e. those of minority age, it is aimed at adults. Also, the phrase is "in this day and age".

Every time someone says steroids might not be safe, they get attacked. Thats because everyone knows its true but would rather not entertain that idea.

I think most of the forums membership understands that AAS can lead to ill health and possibly sudden death that is why many of the threads are concerned with harm minimisation.

They are not safe.

This style of argument is pejoratively known as "elephant throwing". It is a simplistic and overly general assertion. AAS aren't like vitamin c but they aren't like potassium cyanide either. AAS can be used safely. Most of the ill effects can be mitigated or even eliminated.

For all you kiddies that think they are, I suggest reading Maldorfs thread, or BN's, or Pekkerwoods, and look into Big Bapper.

These are four cases in a community of thousands. If you are genuinely concerned with balance then you would put these cases into proper perspective -- they are a minority.

I am familiar mainly with Maldorf's and BN's case. Maldorf had lots of warning signs which he ignored and he had years of untreated hypertension. BN's folly was his excessive use of orals. IIRC correctly BN said that he was popping dbol like you pop vitamins. Also, peliosis hepatis is very rare. BN is otherwise (AFAIK) as strong as an ox.

 

[Ironraider]

For all you kiddies that think they are, I suggest reading Maldorfs thread, or BN's, or Pekkerwoods, and look into Big Bapper.

This is the second time you posted the death of BB as related to steroid use/abuse. Do you have any facts to this point or are you simply speculating? If you don't have facts, then I would kindly ask you to drop using him in your argument.

I have read the threads by our current members you also stated from above...and their health issues. l'm damn happy they have everything under control. If their issues were directly related to steroid abuse/use, they were able to get their health returned, as to my knowledge they are lifting, healthy, and doing well. There is one of the three that is currently taking HRT dosages...is that considered abuse?

To your ignorant statement that they are illegal, and if illegal that you are abusing, is simply incorrect and misstated. What you consider abuse might be perfect within the range of medical science. It could also be very subjective...such as one man's junk, another mans treasure. You simply cannot give your opinion as fact.

Back to original topic...

 

[KillerStack]

Many of the myths we simply don't want to hear from outsiders, even if they have some truth to them.

For example, the psychological effects. When debating an outsider roid rage or severe anxiety or depression from steroid use is myth. But when discussing with peers, like here on this board, they become very "true" for many. If it's objectively true can be discussed but many here feel steroids can cause all these side effects.

"You can grow just by using steroids and not working out seriously or eating real well".

This is a myth when discussing with an outsider but many here will testify, if pressed, that steroids can make you swole while neglecting the training and diet severely. It's fact that steroids will put muscle on you with no training at all.

"Steroids make you impotent"

This is bullshit! Well, maybe not entirely. *Gotta make another order for more Cialis and Viagra*

Again, we simply don't want to hear it from an outsider who doesn't have the whole story.

 

[pumpt73]

Some other favorites of mine:

"You use steroids??? Oh, you have fake muscles then. Those aren't real muscles." Love that one. Gotta love the stupid.

The people who just know steroids are the scourge of society, but yet can't name one single steroid. Nor can they prove that steroid users are standing on street corners trying to score their next shot of test. I have to just laugh and nod my head.

 

[robot]

This is actually turning into a good thread....

Steroids are drugs. I use them as such. They have real risks that we as bodybuilders probably understand better than the established medical community.

My biggest concern is reduction in HDL and the associated build up of plaque increasing the risk of heart disease/stroke from atherosclerosis.

I eat my omega 3 eggs and take my fish oil but the cholesterol issue nags me nonetheless.

 

[Stylz]

Ive seen it man, and I believe it. I know the evidence and am a well educated grown man. I just think there needs to be some better balance on this board. Real people are having real health problems from steroids. They are not all fun and games. I hate the idea of kids coming on here (anyone under 25) and jumping on the bandwagon blindly. Yeah research is their responsibility, but with only pro steroid threads it seems the good far outweighs the bad (which is true in the case of steroids in general IMO). There is no way in this day of age that parents can monitor their kids online activities. No way at all. This is a board full of adults teaching how to use drugs. There just needs to be more balance.

Every time someone says steroids might not be safe, they get attacked. Thats because everyone knows its true but would rather not entertain that idea.

They are not safe.

For all you kiddies that think they are, I suggest reading Maldorfs thread, or BN's, or Pekkerwoods, and look into Big Bapper.

Balance.

Bilbo,

May I ask why the hell your posting on this thread let alone Proffesional Muscle? Reading your posts and bashing steroids on a site with the sponsors we have (and whom keep this site afloat) is laughable. This is a ligh-hearted thread................stop trying to bring attention to yourself and take your opinions to site that cares.

The fact you even bring Big Bapper up in this thread shows your ignorance ...........apparantley you didn't read what happened to him closely (It wasn't steroid related)

 

[pumpt73]

If its illegal, used without a prescription or more than prescribed, then its abused.

Whos ignorant here? You guys are talking about all the big misconceptions you hear people say about steroids.

Well, here's a funny one I heard....
"Steroids are safe"!

That one had me roflmao!

Im not trying to argue, nor will I defend the statement that "steroids are safe". Pretty much all drugs have some type of side effect anymore. I think when used properly, we can say you can BE safe using steroids. When I've ran them, I've always gone to my doctor both before and after and had a full blood panel and physical done. I don't know how many do this, but it's just something I feel better about when introducing AAS into my body.

So are steroids 100% safe??? Nope, but neither is walking out of your house. Everyone takes risks everyday. Knowing the potential side effects and how to combat them is safe. Knowing proper injection techniques and sterilization is safe. Having yourself checked by your physician is safe. Yes, you can use AAS safely, but it's not without saying they don't have side effects. What gridlock was trying to do was point out some of the more irrational opinions of people about AAS. Not them being 100% safe. I think if you want to debate the topic of steroid usage being safe, make a thread of your own and invite the rest of the board to debate with you instead of hijacking someone else's thread.

Bilbo feel free to demolish my post, but I think most would agree with me.

With that being said, can we please get back on gridlock's ORIGINGAL topic???

 

[xxsuprman22xx]

Steroids make your dick smaller. lol i never understood how this one came to be.

 

[Stylz]

Bilbo,

I remember you, LMAO nevermind

You're the SCHMUCK that called out Big Danny (And feebly tried to make a public apology) and talks shit to fellow members and makes negative comments on a regular basis.

So Gridlock, it's not you he does this to every thread.

Your insecurity shines bright............... Keep Hatin Champ