Because I think you continually state your opinion as fact. And your opinion isnt fact. You tried to chastise that guy that said his friend was 6'2" 240 by saying "Well here is Lee Haney at 240" when he was at 256 actually. Cmon we all knew the kid didnt mean contest ready ripped, how come you are the one guy who did? You say Lee Haney never weighed 273 in his life.....he freaking competed in 1989 at 257 pounds! What did he do walk around all year long at 265 eight pounds over his onstage weight? Who the hell walks around at 8 pounds over their stage weight all year long?
Like i said, I saw an article that said Haney was 273-278 that offseason (I cant remember what year it was...but thats what the article said)....they also announced him in the high 270's - 280at the Golds Classic. So you can continue to use the "Magnum book of facts" which I think is just one guy who by his opinion thinks anyone over 185 pounds is juicing to the gills.
Again your opinion is your opinion....and when you say "FACT: Shelby's training partner is ON!".....who the hell would know? YOU? Or Shelby? Shelby would and your fact means jack.......
Ok back to Haney....according to your calculations and I quote "In actuality Lee is roughly 240 lean in this pic with mostly added water weight and a tad bit of fat from the usual post contest bloat".....so 2 weeks after Lee's show he gained 16 pounds according to you.
Here is Lee's own words about Rimini in 1989
Lee Haney's Ultimate Bodybuilding ... - Google Books
So I guess 2 weeks after this show Lee probably gained 16 pounds again and weighed.... wow 273....geez who would have guessed.
I'm going to test something on you.
Here's a picture of someone who swears up and down he never touched hormones. Others who also back him up are bodybuilding journalist Aaron Singerman, IFBB Pro Flex Lewis; bodybuilding expert Bob Bonham thinks he's at least clean nowadays. This guy competed in natural shows and now wrestles.
I'm an unhappy guy and call complete and utter bullshit. The guy juiced since early-mid teens and is still on a major regimen IMO.
What say you? How happy are you with yourself?
Google 'Rob Terry' if you need more pics for assessment.
You know how this will go and so do I. Since this guy claims natural status, you'll have guys saying stuff like, well maybe not natural, but probabley doesn't use much. He's just a genetic freak blah blah blah.
hey
magnum, dante, phil,and all you great forum members,
your take on this
we know for a bodybuilder to continously build muscle has to stay on most of the time say 8 to 10 months on and 2 to 4 months off...
SCENARIO 2
the reason for upping his dosages arises comes only when he does a huge NONSTOP cycle(8 months)
1st two months uses 500mg test + anabolics THEN PLATEAUS
2nd two months uses 750mg test + anabolics THEN PLATEAUS
3rd two months uses 1500mg test + anabolics PLATEAUS AGAIN
4th two months uses 2000mg test + anabolics. PLATEAUS AGAIN
SECANRIO 2
now what if a person
does 8 weeks on and 4 weeks off
say 750 TEST E(initially longer esters and then for the last two weeks shorter ester like PROPIONATE) and 300 to 400mg deca
then 4 weeks of PCT
more or less like 8+4+8+4+8+4+8+4
now that the person is off for 4 weeks(PCT time) he can again use the same dosages ( 750mg test + 300- 400mg deca) and respond well, so the requirement for increasing the dosages gets minimized...and the person is able to enjoy gains every 8 weeks on time.
now in both the scenarios the person is on for 8 months....
now what in your opinion is the way to go .....
WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.
THANKS
I'm going to test something on you.
Here's a picture of someone who swears up and down he never touched hormones. Others who also back him up are bodybuilding journalist Aaron Singerman, IFBB Pro Flex Lewis; bodybuilding expert Bob Bonham thinks he's at least clean nowadays. This guy competed in natural shows and now wrestles.
I'm an unhappy guy and call complete and utter bullshit. The guy juiced since early-mid teens and is still on a major regimen IMO.
What say you? How happy are you with yourself?
Google 'Rob Terry' if you need more pics for assessment.
I'm going to test something on you.
Here's a picture of someone who swears up and down he never touched hormones. Others who also back him up are bodybuilding journalist Aaron Singerman, IFBB Pro Flex Lewis; bodybuilding expert Bob Bonham thinks he's at least clean nowadays. This guy competed in natural shows and now wrestles.
I'm an unhappy guy and call complete and utter bullshit. The guy juiced since early-mid teens and is still on a major regimen IMO.
What say you? How happy are you with yourself?
Google 'Rob Terry' if you need more pics for assessment.
the real question is why you would even care?
dude your posts scare me, you have no idea how steroids work in the big picture do you?we know for a bodybuilder to continously build muscle has to stay on most of the time say 8 to 10 months on and 2 to 4 months off...
SCENARIO 2
the reason for upping his dosages arises comes only when he does a huge NONSTOP cycle(8 months)
1st two months uses 500mg test + anabolics THEN PLATEAUS
2nd two months uses 750mg test + anabolics THEN PLATEAUS
3rd two months uses 1500mg test + anabolics PLATEAUS AGAIN
4th two months uses 2000mg test + anabolics. PLATEAUS AGAIN
SECANRIO 2
now what if a person
does 8 weeks on and 4 weeks off
say 750 TEST E(initially longer esters and then for the last two weeks shorter ester like PROPIONATE) and 300 to 400mg deca
then 4 weeks of PCT
more or less like 8+4+8+4+8+4+8+4
now that the person is off for 4 weeks(PCT time) he can again use the same dosages ( 750mg test + 300- 400mg deca) and respond well, so the requirement for increasing the dosages gets minimized...and the person is able to enjoy gains every 8 weeks on time.
now in both the scenarios the person is on for 8 months....
dude your posts scare me, you have no idea how steroids work in the big picture do you?
I cant give my opinion on that due to my fear you are going to cut and paste my answer on at least 2 other boards (if not 6)
(sorry bro...Im saying it tongue in cheek but youve done it too many times now)
of course, i am not as experienced as you great people....but my point is that reason of upping the dosage is minimized with the scenario 2.
one can still use the same dosages (moderate) for atleast 3 cycles as marldorf says..... of course there will be need to increase the dosage at one point but then not at the rate at which a person would do in the scenario 1.
would you listen from experience?...NO.
Nobody does.
The absolute worse thing you can do is to make those kind of quantum leaps in dosages in a few short months which should take years to graduate too...realize that stacking thousands of miligrams of drugs on top of each other just clogs the system up-binding hormones, supersaturating the tissues where the only thing you get is side effects and one seriously fked up HPTA.
The biggest change in your scenario should come from diet and training.
Taking steroids is the absolute easiest thing in this whole game and people make it super pseudo rocket science. Test/deca or test/eq avoid orals and tren for the most part they give short term gains and long term damage, avoid the polypharmaceutical board stacks of AI's clen thyroid and peptides etc.
500 mgs wll give you a blood level of at least 1500ng/dl of test, and imagine what 2 grams will do? See what I am saying here?
the real question is why you would even care?
I question that as well, since it's so obvious.
concerning Shelby's client he looks clean to me....
you can look at guys and tell ther clean by just the way their physques are shaped...look at Layne Norton and older pictures of Brad Castlebury..
Most of the lighter natural guys don't even look like they lift when they are in regular clothes...