7-keto DHEA

[7_Deadly_Sins]

Anyone used this and liked it?
The federation I'm interested in joining(natural) just unbanned it as a fat loss aid. Was wondering if it was even worth the money or not..and if I'd even benefit from taking it..I'm 20 next month.

 

[king1033]

I love taking DHEA 25mg am and pm, havent tried 7keto yet. keep us informed

 

[Ashop]

Anyone used this and liked it?
The federation I'm interested in joining(natural) just unbanned it as a fat loss aid. Was wondering if it was even worth the money or not..and if I'd even benefit from taking it..I'm 20 next month.

I used it before but only had a months supply. Something I would like to try again.

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

I used it before but only had a months supply. Something I would like to try again.

Did you notice any weight loss with it? Any kind of feeling better?

king, it's largely different from DHEA...it's non-hormonal.
I was looking threw some old threads and found this...DC said it.
"7-keto=immune function, memory and cognitive, and metabolism (higher metabolic rate in theory)"

 

[king1033]

Did you notice any weight loss with it? Any kind of feeling better?

king, it's largely different from DHEA...it's non-hormonal.
I was looking threw some old threads and found this...DC said it.
"7-keto=immune function, memory and cognitive, and metabolism (higher metabolic rate in theory)"

my bad i thought you were talking about both since the title was 7keto DHEA so i just had experiance with the dhea but my friend like the 7keto for weight loss if that helps.

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

my bad i thought you were talking about both since the title was 7keto DHEA so i just had experiance with the dhea but my friend like the 7keto for weight loss if that helps.

It's called 7-Keto DHEA I believe..it's kinda like DHEA..it's a derivative of DHEA. You'd think they'd give it a different name so they wont be confusing. haha
I'm trying to read up as much on it as I can..but there's not much information on it sadly.

I'm really courious if it'd be worth it to run the 7-Keto with a EC stack..or if that'd be over kill...or even worth the money.

Do you know what doses your friend used for his keto? 25 AM/PM?

 

[king1033]

It's called 7-Keto DHEA I believe..it's kinda like DHEA..it's a derivative of DHEA. You'd think they'd give it a different name so they wont be confusing. haha
I'm trying to read up as much on it as I can..but there's not much information on it sadly.

I'm really courious if it'd be worth it to run the 7-Keto with a EC stack..or if that'd be over kill...or even worth the money.

Do you know what doses your friend used for his keto? 25 AM/PM?

my friend gave me this link hope it helps bro
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/may2005_cover_keto_02.htm

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

Thanks for that, interesting.

 

[Mr.Cleveland]

7-Keto is DHEA with the hormone removed. You still get the benefits of fat loss with this and it does work well. It is great for the natural competitors. In fact... supplementing straight DHEA in men is not necessarily a great thing. Unless you are deficient in DHEA levels.. if you add more and it is not needed.. it can easily convert to estro in men. BUT YES.. 7-Keto in addition to your ECA stack is a great idea.

 

[leegee38]

The 7-Keto version is a metabolite of DHEA, but cannot convert to either testosterone or aromatize to estrogen from what I understand. Patrick Arnold says it begins to work at dosages around 400 mg, FWIW. I have no personal experience with it.

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

The 7-Keto version is a metabolite of DHEA, but cannot convert to either testosterone or aromatize to estrogen from what I understand. Patrick Arnold says it begins to work at dosages around 400 mg, FWIW. I have no personal experience with it.

Interesting..do you have a link to that? I'd be interesteing in reading it, I'm sure he has stuidies.
I was looking at getting 25 mg pills. 1 am and 1 pm, but after reading this, and cant find hardly any information. So the 100 mg pills might be an option now.


Mr.Cleveland, thanks.

 

[Max32]

If you are running it orally, go with one of the metabolites of 7 Keto like 7-OH, FAR more bioavailability and bang for your buck, it can be found in products like the formerly avail Designer supps Lean Xtreme, and the newly reformulated Gaspari Cytolean V2. 7-OH products will help you more for fat loss if you have more visceral or are prone to more visceral related fat accumulation. So if you drink, use drugs (including steroids), or have high amounts of stress, all of which can lead to increases in the hormone, cortisol, 7-OH may be viable option for you. 7-Keto has it's place as well, but far more effective via a transdermal delivery method

 

[nziegs]

I've been taking it all winter and haven't gotten sick once (I don't know if its from that or not). Seemed to lean out a little bit. I was taking it at 50mg a day....I'd say its worth the money. I might up the dose and see if anything changes.

 

[HeavyHands]

bump...

Max32 brings up an interesting point and I'm curious to hear more about the metabolite version 7-OH versus 7-Keto DHEA. Anybody else have experience or info?

 

[EDED]

ive tried topical version and saw some visible fat loss around midsection...nothing too crazy but works.

7-cort it was called i think

and you need less and more even blood level throughout the day,,,orally you would need alot and frequent.

there are studies done by Czech (i think) on pubmed using transdermal 7-oxo dhea on men

 

[HeavyHands]

something from pubmed

Hampl R, Stárka L, Janský L.

Institute of Endocrinology, Národní 8, 116 94 Prague l, Czech Republic. [email protected]

Apart from thyroid hormones, as the main hormonal regulators of obligatory thermogenesis, and catecholamines, as major hormonal regulators of facultative thermogenesis, production of heat in homeotherms can also be influenced by steroids. Generally, hormones can influence heat production by regulating the activity of various enzymes of oxidative metabolism, by modulating membrane protein carriers and other membrane or nuclear protein factors. Proton carriers in the inner mitochondrial membrane, known as uncoupling proteins, play the key role in heat dissipation to the detriment of the formation of energy-rich phosphates. In this minireview we have focused on the effects of steroids and thyroid hormones on heat production in brown adipose tissues and in skeletal muscles, with particular respect to their effect on uncoupling protein expression. Apart from hormonal steroids, dehydroepiandrosterone, an important precursor in the metabolic pathway leading to hormonal steroids which possess many, mostly beneficial effects on human health, modulates metabolic pathways which may lead to increased heat production. Recent studies demonstrate that 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone, one of its 7-oxygenated metabolites, is even more effective than dehydroepiandrosterone. Recent findings of various actions of these steroids support the view that they may also participate in modulating thermogenic effects.

PMID: 15910167 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



There is some other stuff as well, including things about transdermal application... but this was interesting. Talking about the 7-oxo metabolite and its affect on thermogenesis... So what about taking something with this metabolite in addition to an ECA to further promote thermo?

 

[bloodshed]

If you are running it orally, go with one of the metabolites of 7 Keto like 7-OH, FAR more bioavailability and bang for your buck, it can be found in products like the formerly avail Designer supps Lean Xtreme, and the newly reformulated Gaspari Cytolean V2. 7-OH products will help you more for fat loss if you have more visceral or are prone to more visceral related fat accumulation. So if you drink, use drugs (including steroids), or have high amounts of stress, all of which can lead to increases in the hormone, cortisol, 7-OH may be viable option for you. 7-Keto has it's place as well, but far more effective via a transdermal delivery method

lean xtreme is still available, its under the brand name driven sports though.

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

Anyone else got any more info with this?

 

[Fa Seeshus]

i liked the 7 cort too. it def suppresses cortisol... prob is my joints actually hurt more when i use it

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

Found a study...

Got it from...http://www.nutritionexpress.com/showarticle.aspx?articleid=912

7-Keto helps keep metabolism high while dieting
by Newsletter Editor

7-Keto, a molecule that occurs naturally in the body and declines with age, increased the body’s ability to burn calories in dieting men and women, in a new study.

Researchers recruited 10 men and 30 women with an average age of 38.5, who had an average body mass index of 32 (obese) and maintained a diet with 800 fewer calories than his or her daily energy requirement, estimated by the doctors. The double-blind study included three seven-day phases during which participants took 7-Keto, 7-Keto plus other nutrients or a placebo. Between each phase, participants took no supplements for seven days, for a total study period of five weeks.

At the start of the study and after each phase, scientists measured the resting metabolic rate (RMR), the rate at which the body burns calories while at rest. The RMR naturally declines when the body takes in fewer calories in order to preserve energy, which can make losing weight more difficult for dieters.

The 7-Keto dose included 50 mg of 7-Keto plus 450 mg of rice powder per day. The 7-Keto combination included 50 mg of 7-Keto, 250 mg of calcium citrate, 150 mg of green tea extract standardized to include 50% epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), the active ingredient in green tea, 50 mg of ascorbic acid, 100 mg of chromium nicotinate, and 2.5 mg of vitamin D3 per day. The placebo contained 500 mg of rice powder per day.

Compared to the start of the study, RMR decreased 3.9% during the placebo treatment phase, RMR increased 1.4% during the 7-Keto phase and RMR increased 3.4% during the 7-Keto combination phase. Doctors believe that 7-Keto raises body temperature and stimulates fat-burning enzymes, but does not raise heart rate, a common side effect of prescription diet drugs. There were no reported side effects.

Reference: The Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry: 2007; Vol. 18, No. 9, 629-34.