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7 MONTH RUN ..... how would you do it ?

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Ok been spending the last several months getting my health back in order and everything seems to have bounced back exceptionally well. I have been abusing my body for the last 2 years with heavy, heavy cycles and drinking and I'm glad to say that I didn't do any permanent damage. According to blood work I'm good

As of right now I'm on doc prescribed 200mg a week test. And 2-3 iu of rips.

Come January I'm going to jump back on and ride it on through to the summer as long as health is not too adversely effected. I'm done with pushing the limits of how much I take and putting the pedal to the metal.

I want to ramp up slowly and be the best I can be for the summer months..

If it were you personally. How would you structure your cycle.

Right now I'm probably 5'8 220 13-15 percent bf. I'd like to try to stay as close to this weight and end up sub 10 percent by the end of the run




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I know this is going to STIR THE POT SO TO SPEAK but I'm going to be monitoring health markers and don't plan on blasting grams and grams of gear the whole time. MIND IS MADE UP JUST WAS CURIOUS HOW YOU WOULD STRUCTURE YOUR RUN IF IT WERE YOU


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I ran a gram of test a week sometimes much more and at least 700 mg a week of tren acetate sometimes up to 200mg a day for for around 9 months straight. month 4,5,6 I ran 1gram of deca as well. also ran hgh at 3-4 iu a day. other than soaking my bed at night and just generally being hot I was ok. I had blood work done a fter I stopped and everything was ok other than my liver was a lil high. but I recomped and grew more solid muscle in that time frame than I did in the previous three years of training and git entirely shredded. my bodyweight when I started was 217. 9 months later I'm only 221 but look like an entirely different beast.
 
I ran a gram of test a week sometimes much more and at least 700 mg a week of tren acetate sometimes up to 200mg a day for for around 9 months straight. month 4,5,6 I ran 1gram of deca as well. also ran hgh at 3-4 iu a day. other than soaking my bed at night and just generally being hot I was ok. I had blood work done a fter I stopped and everything was ok other than my liver was a lil high. but I recomped and grew more solid muscle in that time frame than I did in the previous three years of training and git entirely shredded. my bodyweight when I started was 217. 9 months later I'm only 221 but look like an entirely different beast.



Don't think I'm going to be going that high however did you ramp up over time how did you structure it ?


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I ran a gram of test a week sometimes much more and at least 700 mg a week of tren acetate sometimes up to 200mg a day for for around 9 months straight. month 4,5,6 I ran 1gram of deca as well. also ran hgh at 3-4 iu a day. other than soaking my bed at night and just generally being hot I was ok. I had blood work done a fter I stopped and everything was ok other than my liver was a lil high. but I recomped and grew more solid muscle in that time frame than I did in the previous three years of training and git entirely shredded. my bodyweight when I started was 217. 9 months later I'm only 221 but look like an entirely different beast.

What about mid cycle-towards end of cycle blood work rather than after? Or how long after did you get bloods?
 
I had bloodwork done before I started and about two wks after I came off. and again two months after and liver was normal again.i ramped up the tren to 200mg a day a few times a week sometimes more. ran it at a gram for about a month. and at a gram tren def does some crazy shit. one big pumped vein 24/7. entire time I was on a fairly low calorie diet with 300-400g of protein a day.
 
What about mid cycle-towards end of cycle blood work rather than after? Or how long after did you get bloods?



Not sure about him but my bloodwork was totttllly fucked up and got it pretty much on track in a month or so and then just cruised from there


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one thing I learned about long term high dose tren is is does not matter how much test I took. even at 2.5 grms a week I did not bloat. at all. I just looked freaky
 
I wouldn't structure it...people get so OCD from what I've seen. Start with some test and swap compounds every 8 weeks or so or bring in two and swap one every 4 weeks. Bring in tren and DHTs over the summer
 
I wouldn't structure it...people get so OCD from what I've seen. Start with some test and swap compounds every 8 weeks or so or bring in two and swap one every 4 weeks. Bring in tren and DHTs over the summer



That's what I'm thinking. Start test/npp for 1-2 months
then test eq
then test eq tren mast. Proviron


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I ran a gram of test a week sometimes much more and at least 700 mg a week of tren acetate sometimes up to 200mg a day for for around 9 months straight. month 4,5,6 I ran 1gram of deca as well. also ran hgh at 3-4 iu a day. other than soaking my bed at night and just generally being hot I was ok. I had blood work done a fter I stopped and everything was ok other than my liver was a lil high. but I recomped and grew more solid muscle in that time frame than I did in the previous three years of training and git entirely shredded. my bodyweight when I started was 217. 9 months later I'm only 221 but look like an entirely different beast.

So basically you probably did some glomerular damage to the kidneys which probably means slightly less kidney function than previous to the cycle, had some plaque buildup in the arteries, and some left ventricle heart enlargement because of thickened blood and HBP.....but the bloodwork 2 months after getting off said "ok" so no damage done in your mind...meanwhile you just did 9 months of damage bloodwork doesnt show

seems legit

meanwhile if you actually had bloodwork while you were on you would have probably seen a lowered GFR and higher creatinine level...would have seen your hdl was plummetted and ldl and trygl's were sky high, and would have seen your hematocrit was 58

Im all about investments man....and being profitable....Im asking you...actually im begging you...if you keep running these 9 months 200mg a day tren cycles please let me take out a million dollar life insurance policy on you....I will collect in less than a 10 year time frame no doubt about it.
 
So basically you probably did some glomerular damage to the kidneys which probably means slightly less kidney function than previous to the cycle, had some plaque buildup in the arteries, and some left ventricle heart enlargement because of thickened blood and HBP.....but the bloodwork 2 months after getting off said "ok" so no damage done in your mind...meanwhile you just did 9 months of damage bloodwork doesnt show



seems legit



meanwhile if you actually had bloodwork while you were on you would have probably seen a lowered GFR and higher creatinine level...would have seen your hdl was plummetted and ldl and trygl's were sky high, and would have seen your hematocrit was 58



Im all about investments man....and being profitable....Im asking you...actually im begging you...if you keep running these 9 months 200mg a day tren cycles please let me take out a million dollar life insurance policy on you....I will collect in less than a 10 year time frame no doubt about it.



I would never go that high again. I learned my lesson. But to each is own. I can get more out of less. But they younger or newer guys. Will always fee like gods. I fell victim as well


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iv had bloodwork done after three wks of superdrol and it was waaaay worse. lol my kidney function was fine on tren. it always is. but it does elevate my liver a little bit. my hdl/ldl was fine too. creatinine levels being elevated has nothing to do with gear. I work in a proson and ua inmates all day. high creatinine levels are found all the time. none of them are using steroids. I'm 46 years old. iv been using gear for over 20 years. I'm no inexperienced fool. although when I was younger I pushed things a bit. that long tren cycle was over 15 years ago. but iv done tren innumerous times since then and I'm still healthy for now. my blood preassure is fine and my cholesterol is fine as well. my buddy mike is 67 and still uses tren regularily since the 70,s. I believe what I see not what I hear. and I never said steroids were safe. iv just been lucky so far
 
Like everyone I've abused it for years. Got my blood work back in all normal ranges. But I've learned my lessons.

Really you don't need much gear. I went from blasting 2g of tren ace and 3g of test to 300 and 300. Key is diet my friend.i know it's preached over and over again. But bad diet can't be made up for by using more gear.

Get back in shape and then start.
 
OP, from the sounds of things...you are trying to be more health conscious, in that case I'd break your 7 months in half with about a 6-8 week cruise or high-ish TRT dose of around 250mgs T/week...It sounds like you have the experience with what compouns work for you...You'll be ale to keep making progress in each of the 8 week runs without needing to up the dosages significantly this way.
 
I ran a gram of test a week sometimes much more and at least 700 mg a week of tren acetate sometimes up to 200mg a day for for around 9 months straight. month 4,5,6 I ran 1gram of deca as well. also ran hgh at 3-4 iu a day. other than soaking my bed at night and just generally being hot I was ok. I had blood work done a fter I stopped and everything was ok other than my liver was a lil high. but I recomped and grew more solid muscle in that time frame than I did in the previous three years of training and git entirely shredded. my bodyweight when I started was 217. 9 months later I'm only 221 but look like an entirely different beast.

Not to be an asshole but for someone using that much gear I would expect them to weigh more than 221. I know number on the scales doesn't mean much but you could easily have achieved that on half your stated doses
 
So basically you probably did some glomerular damage to the kidneys which probably means slightly less kidney function than previous to the cycle, had some plaque buildup in the arteries, and some left ventricle heart enlargement because of thickened blood and HBP.....but the bloodwork 2 months after getting off said "ok" so no damage done in your mind...meanwhile you just did 9 months of damage bloodwork doesnt show

seems legit

meanwhile if you actually had bloodwork while you were on you would have probably seen a lowered GFR and higher creatinine level...would have seen your hdl was plummetted and ldl and trygl's were sky high, and would have seen your hematocrit was 58

Im all about investments man....and being profitable....Im asking you...actually im begging you...if you keep running these 9 months 200mg a day tren cycles please let me take out a million dollar life insurance policy on you....I will collect in less than a 10 year time frame no doubt about it.

Disclaimer: long read, but lots of information about bloodwork related to kidney function for those who would like to enhance their understanding. Has nothing to with the OPs intent to abuse, which I cannot condone.

I'm definitely not saying you're wrong, but I've been trying to wrap my head around this (GFR) for a long time and was unable to process it sufficiently until I was involved heavily in the medical field. So I'm just putting this out there to help add knowledge to anyone reading that may be interested in their own bloodwork.

The GFR number they give you on your blood work is calculated directly from your serum creatinine. They developed this equation in an effort to get away from using the 24hr urine analysis for obvious reasons (time, cost savings, people just generally don't want to do it). With that being said...studies have shown that athletes and especially lifters have higher serum creatinine due to a higher amount of lean mass.

Most of these calculations use an estimated body surface area (at best) which doesn't take into account the greater lean body mass. Those that don't use the estimated area still don't improve the numbers much. I have seen this in my own personal bloodwork for years and years, both "on" and "off" with the GFR numbers never having more than a 10pt difference over a span of 4 years (so far), but none of them being in an "ideal" range.

So a better estimate of kidney function (for bodybuilders) might be the cockcroft-gault equation, which shows creatinine clearance rates based on serum creatinine (those reading this may have to convert bloodwork from mg/dl to mmol/L, plenty of calculators online just google). When I've taken this step, my creatinine clearance is in the high-end of normal which for most of us, it should be--athletes and bodybuilders tend to have higher creatinine clearance.

Anyways, the best method of course is to ask for the 24hour urine collection analysis if one is worried about kidney function. It's a way more precise measure than any equation ever could be. So if anyone is really freaking out about their kidney function they should be ordering this from their doctor.

Cliffs

-GFR on bloodwork is calculated from serum creatinine values
-bodybuilders / athletes tend to have higher serum creatinine values due to increased lean body mass
-GFR on bloodwork does not take into account this increased LBM and probably won't be an accurate indicator of kidney function
-creatinine clearance using the cockcroft-gault equation is a better estimate of kidney function for bodybuilders (you can calculate this using your serum creatinine values, but may have to convert from mg/dl to mmol/L)
-ultimately if one is worried about kidney function, they need to have a 24hr urine collection analysis performed
 
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I get blood work a couple times a year so I go down to trt doses before bloods. This is useful

As far as training as a blast, you can only train balls to the wall a certain time, maybe six weeks untill cns is burnt, im talking real intense training here-Yates hit. People say you need to stay on 8-12 weeks to get results, horsesh*t. blast for a month with two compounds, train intense, youll see results, take a month or so break, lessen intensity, give body a break, , can repeat
 
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