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Says the guy who just stated your body burns fat all the time IRREGARDLESS (LOL good english) of glucose and insulin.
What exactly does irregardless mean? Is that like regardless of all regard? LOL
Says the guy who just stated your body burns fat all the time IRREGARDLESS (LOL good english) of glucose and insulin.
You mean regardless?
Don't come at me with your ignorance. I haven't attacked you at all but look at your post just now. Is it that time of the month?
You cannot burn fat when insulin is present. I'm not going to say it again.. so learn or don't.
Says the guy who just stated your body burns fat all the time IRREGARDLESS (LOL good english) of glucose and insulin.
You've actually started attacking me. I haven't done shit in this thread except state and defend my opinions with sound reasoning. You on the other hand have, resorted to making this personal and then tried to convince yourself and others that you are not the one firing the shots. LOL!
You're not ignorant because you spelled something wrong. You used a word that doesn't exist. That's not a spelling error. Add that to the attacking and shitty attitude you have developed in this discussion and THERE YA GO...
I have no clue about your question...guess I should stop doing diets and training now and give my clients refunds.[emoji23]
Cool deal. I'm pretty disappointed in you. Sticking up for you in the past and thinking you were a bit more sensible and respectful than you truly are. Have a good life.
Maybe you'd be more pleasant if you took those carbs from your first meal and put them in your last meal. Instead of bragging about your 15g of complex carbs..increase your serotonin before bed, get better sleep, and be a more pleasant person. Then burn fat for as long as possible after your workout. There are other reasons for not consuming carbs in the morning, but I'll spare you the pain of gaining knowledge.
The point is...if you are truly doing this for ultimate fat loss and maybe a show...you're not doing it right in many people's eyes. The end.
NY I appreciate your response, that was well thought out dood.Lots of good info here but some points need to be made.
You aren't going to lose muscle just by going a few hours in the morning without carbs even if you do fasted cardio. Most of the people who feel you will lose muscle are just assuming because those same people are too paranoid to attempt it.
Is having carbs before or after fasted cardio ideal if your goal is fat loss? Of course not and that's not up for discussion. Will you still drop fat? Sure.
Can you lose fat if you have carbs and/or bccas pre and post fasted cardio? Sure.
You ARE burning calories in case we all forgot because you ARE doing cardio. So at the end of the week if the calories you burn put you in the proper deficit then yes you will be losing weight/fat.
Lots of guys who diet and their biceps shrink (seems to be the broscience indicator of muscle loss) are actually losing intramuscular fat as well as losing the constant bloat/pump from glycogen. You aren't shrinking because you didn't eat carbs since the night before.
Also perioids of detraining then periods of extreme training and attention to diet make all of what I said above irrelevant.
Aj, you look great in your before and after pics but I think you are experiencing just that (you were away from the gym for a while you said and minimal food to maintain muscle) and when your body normalizes and you are on the level as some of the typical dieting gym goer you will probably change your opinion on the carbs around cardio. I could be wrong if you are in the 5% with an elite metabolism.
I experienced a similar thing as you. Came back to training after a 5 year lay off lost 30lbs of fat and gained a few inches on my biceps...my broscience indicator of muscle gain .... and I did zero cardio. This was in a 6 month period. From muscle memory is was like 80% back to previous size and condition which btw was aided with aas. I was natural for those 6 months that I lost fat and gained muscle.
I was beyond amazed what muscle memory can do. Also keep in mind I had one too many cheat meals and carbs and the fat still came off me. When the time came that I needed cardio to keep progressing then things changed. Diet got even cleaner and no carbs before and an hour or 2 post cardio otherwise results stalled.
Aj if I am wrong that this period of fat loss and muscle gain was not part of that time you got back in shape from the long lay off then I apologize and disregard
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Surely if that was the case those that eat carbs with every meal couldnt get lean.You mean regardless?
Don't come at me with your ignorance. I haven't attacked you at all but look at your post just now. Is it that time of the month?
You cannot burn fat when insulin is present. I'm not going to say it again.. so learn or don't.
And some of you conversely are scared shitless of some glucose or insulin.
Oh yeah I see this is one of those threads now where someone just haassss to be right.
Its funny to me I know a couple guys doing it one way and maybe one doing it the other, the only difference between the two is the carb guys are fuller and a bit bigger.
I dunno maybe its just me and this is supposed to be bodybuilding not just bodystarving.
Of course that is MY opinion and I would never say 'hey there is only one correct method' in bodybuildingt there are no absolutes and anyone who tells you there is, just showed how little they understand about it.
And btw for some of this right now this game doesnt have the benefit of anabolics, they let you do those kind of diets and help keep you anti-catabolic.
Try it without it, tell us the results you get then....not saying I know what they will be, but I bet they'll be different.
Gear makes a big difference in the diet game anyone who denies that is lying to themselves.
Lots of good info here but some points need to be made.
You aren't going to lose muscle just by going a few hours in the morning without carbs even if you do fasted cardio. Most of the people who feel you will lose muscle are just assuming because those same people are too paranoid to attempt it.
Is having carbs before or after fasted cardio ideal if your goal is fat loss? Of course not and that's not up for discussion. Will you still drop fat? Sure.
Can you lose fat if you have carbs and/or bccas pre and post fasted cardio? Sure.
You ARE burning calories in case we all forgot because you ARE doing cardio. So at the end of the week if the calories you burn put you in the proper deficit then yes you will be losing weight/fat.
Lots of guys who diet and their biceps shrink (seems to be the broscience indicator of muscle loss) are actually losing intramuscular fat as well as losing the constant bloat/pump from glycogen. You aren't shrinking because you didn't eat carbs since the night before.
Also perioids of detraining then periods of extreme training and attention to diet make all of what I said above irrelevant.
Aj, you look great in your before and after pics but I think you are experiencing just that (you were away from the gym for a while you said and minimal food to maintain muscle) and when your body normalizes and you are on the level as some of the typical dieting gym goer you will probably change your opinion on the carbs around cardio. I could be wrong if you are in the 5% with an elite metabolism.
I experienced a similar thing as you. Came back to training after a 5 year lay off lost 30lbs of fat and gained a few inches on my biceps...my broscience indicator of muscle gain .... and I did zero cardio. This was in a 6 month period. From muscle memory is was like 80% back to previous size and condition which btw was aided with aas. I was natural for those 6 months that I lost fat and gained muscle.
I was beyond amazed what muscle memory can do. Also keep in mind I had one too many cheat meals and carbs and the fat still came off me. When the time came that I needed cardio to keep progressing then things changed. Diet got even cleaner and no carbs before and an hour or 2 post cardio otherwise results stalled.
Aj if I am wrong that this period of fat loss and muscle gain was not part of that time you got back in shape from the long lay off then I apologize and disregard
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Can only commment on myself but i did hybrid of alternate day fasting. Workout day was my anabolic day but only started and ended from 3pm-9pm then I would fast. Do cardio around 12pm the next day (easy walking or elyptical) at 8pm or so Id have 100g of pro. Repeat with a workout anabolic period the next day 3-9. Did that for 2.5 weeks. more for giggles and testing out principals.....it worked well. Hit a DL and squat PR at the end of 2.5 weeks after a 36hr fast (wanted to end with extra fun lol) and dropped 1.5 inches off my waist (didnt have that much to lose to start) and lost 8lbs total. So the recomp was quite nice.
So if I understand you, you did more carbs on the workout days then zero'd out on the non workout days? Just making sure I read your post accurately.
That sounds like an interesting approach.
Yes sir. I was still close to maintenance to slightly over, on the workout days but mostly carb pro was about 1.5x bw and fat was kept low, with a 18ish hour fast leading up to it. And then an almost 24hr fast the next day with some light carido for 45 min or so and semi moderate activity throughout the day. 100g of pro so a protein modified fast.
G.I.Bro;1993625[U said:Ajdos and Knight9[/U][/B]: you are both way too experienced, informed and cool to be arguing with each other like this. I don't even like seeing it. I'm not sure you guys even really disagree on the essentials. I think Adjos is just syaing despite insulin's effects, people can and still do get lean as hell eating carbs pre/intra/post cardio. There is more than one way to skin a cat and we are highlighting the hyper-technically "most efficient" way.
I think we all agree what role insulin plays. But I think we all also know you can get ripped, shredded and grainy eating carbs constantly, pre cardio, and any other time - many do it. I just wanted to make a distinction clear that some people don't seem to understand about taking EAA/BCAA in a fasted state then considering their A.M. cardio after that consumption fasted with spiked insulin. Just not hormonally accurate. You have reduced lipolysis with the introduction of the insulinogenic BCAA. Again, a 10-15g BCAA drink has the payload almost identical to drinking pure glucose.
I dont know about you guys, but I need all the help I can get. If im paying for good GH to help mobilize/free up FFA and doing fasted early A.M. cardio to burn it, I want my insulin nice and quiet so lipolysis can be maximized. I further want to stay in this state about 2 hours after (and let the GH peak keep rolling) before I spike my insulin.
Appears there is a recurring incidences here^. Dude must be a joy at parties...