Anyone deal/see something like this before? No libido no matter the test dose/est etc

[NEMSZ]

It’s not just an erection problem he’s talking about, a lot of you guys are just saying “Cialis, HCG” etc like it’s going to fix the DESIRE...

HCG doesn’t do jack shit that testosterone doesn’t do for libido, sorry to break it to you guys..

How are you mentally? Are you depressed at all? Stressed? Really think about and analyze yourself/life.. It’s not something you can answer in 2 minutes just brushing it off...

I was on for a similar amount of time, years ago did blast but for the most part in recent years just TRT and I went through 2 big depressions in the last 2 years that made me feel that way, suffered from stress/anxiety etc and all that but I was in denial... I was feeling how you’re feeling for months and then came off TRT to get a legit script etc and that didn’t change anything in a sense of desire believe it or not because it was still nonexistent... But as I worked on things and got better, now with SUPER LOW Test levels I have desire and erections etc, a little less than I normally would but light years ahead of where I was just 4-6 months ago... I should be back on TRT after the end of this month seeing my doc...

Anyway, just throwing out there a bit of my situation and how I really had to analyze everything and work on myself, get passed the denial etc.. Having that feeling back even with Test levels low even more so leads me to believe it was a huge mental thing..

 

[Crazy_jay]

For me, its 100% estrogen related. I have the hardest time getting it dialed in. Estrogen is far more powerful than I think people want to give credit for. Women are cranky as shit and tired as hell at least one week out of every month, why? Estrogen.

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[fyronix]

I’d look at supplementing DHEA. Also, look into testosterone creams applied directly to the scrotum.

 

[nihilixm]

Do you use an AI with that 500, and how much HCG do you recommend? I think I trialed HCG years ago but maybe I should of tried it more.

Thanks for the tips

Yeah I use ai.

I don't do hcg year round. I just do like 8 weeks 1/3 vial per week once a year. So 5000iu a week. To revive the balls so to say.

 

[whoremoan]

have you tested e2 in lcms ?

or dht ?

how long did you use pt 141 for ? and how long did the benefits of it last before your body adapted? - do you think this could be part of the cause

could also be dopamine related ?

i had something like this once and i tried maca and it actually helped, so i smashed my wife like crazy for a few days strait... then the days turned into weeks, then months ... what im saying is it just took the spark to ignite my engine again ... i think it was all in my head

i do think all things can be fixed, i dont think you will be permanently like this

 

[Rogue]

I dont think its a direct result of PED's at this point.
It really does not take much to get wood.
Reading between the lines, the about the PED5's not working and the and lack sustaining in times of desire.
think you have a Dopamine related problem. whether its desensitization, or re-uptake the feat of desire, and being able to sustain is broken from the command center (brain).

 

[whacked]

Agree!! Pregnenolone, DHEA, etc

Take hcg. Your testicles makes other hormones that affect your libido that just pinning test doesn't make up for

 

[hawkmoon]

I'd say it's mental and how you are psychologically wired.
I also usually have low desire and can almost never finish, there is always too much self awareness... My wife is - to me - very hot and still very much turns me on...but I can't be 100% most of the time.

When we go away on holiday and my head can clear it's like night and day. I stop thinking and just feel...and I feel good.

For what it's worth tren and other androgens have no affect on me in terms of mental aspects. Zero.

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[pickapeck]

This is common in AAS users. The cure for me in the past has been to come completely off. It takes months and months to normalize but did eventually. I came off for 3 years at one point and near 10 years another time. Both times my libido and erections returned to normal after many months. It took over a year both times to completely get back to normal. Much better after 6 mo and improving over the next 12. People in this shit show of a life style wish and hope for a magic pill. Most of the times there is no magic pill. In fact, there may be no cure at all. Depends if your endocrine system can recover to normal or not. I started AAS when I was 27 so my limbic system and HPTA was fully developed. In those cases return to normal is more probable. From the 70s and 80s most of the guys I know that had that pattern returned to normal once the steroids were dropped. Most of the ones that started early didn't recover. That's the reality.

 

[saffire]

More likely psychologically problem, i did have something similar in past, less stress, less depressions, new gf was first step for me and give it time

 

[chopsuey]

I dont think its a direct result of PED's at this point.
It really does not take much to get wood.
Reading between the lines, the about the PED5's not working and the and lack sustaining in times of desire.
think you have a Dopamine related problem. whether its desensitization, or re-uptake the feat of desire, and being able to sustain is broken from the command center (brain).

This is my theory too. Each time I take anything that raises dopamine I rarely get a good feeling, instead goes straight to anxiety/adrenaline feeling and brain fog.

I'm guessing for some reason my brain isn't keeping dopamine as dopamine and converts it right away to norepinephrine and adrenaline? Not sure what this means or how to fix it though, any suggestions?

Thank you

 

[chopsuey]

It’s not just an erection problem he’s talking about, a lot of you guys are just saying “Cialis, HCG” etc like it’s going to fix the DESIRE...

HCG doesn’t do jack shit that testosterone doesn’t do for libido, sorry to break it to you guys..

How are you mentally? Are you depressed at all? Stressed? Really think about and analyze yourself/life.. It’s not something you can answer in 2 minutes just brushing it off...

I was on for a similar amount of time, years ago did blast but for the most part in recent years just TRT and I went through 2 big depressions in the last 2 years that made me feel that way, suffered from stress/anxiety etc and all that but I was in denial... I was feeling how you’re feeling for months and then came off TRT to get a legit script etc and that didn’t change anything in a sense of desire believe it or not because it was still nonexistent... But as I worked on things and got better, now with SUPER LOW Test levels I have desire and erections etc, a little less than I normally would but light years ahead of where I was just 4-6 months ago... I should be back on TRT after the end of this month seeing my doc...

Anyway, just throwing out there a bit of my situation and how I really had to analyze everything and work on myself, get passed the denial etc.. Having that feeling back even with Test levels low even more so leads me to believe it was a huge mental thing..

Thanks for sharing your situation, glad you got it figured out, gives me hope.

I have thought about this a lot and I wouldn't say I'm depressed but this is starting to weigh on me substantially but I do have a positive outlook that things will be fixed, just need to find the solution.. Everything else in my life is pretty good now besides not feeling that great in general.

 

[chopsuey]

have you tested e2 in lcms ?

or dht ?

how long did you use pt 141 for ? and how long did the benefits of it last before your body adapted? - do you think this could be part of the cause

could also be dopamine related ?

i had something like this once and i tried maca and it actually helped, so i smashed my wife like crazy for a few days strait... then the days turned into weeks, then months ... what im saying is it just took the spark to ignite my engine again ... i think it was all in my head

i do think all things can be fixed, i dont think you will be permanently like this

When I lived in Asia the sensitive E2 test wasn't available so I used the regular but for the past few years that I've been back in Canada I've been using mostly the sensitive E2 test. I usually run both now since it takes 2 weeks to get the sensitive back and only a few days for regular but usually the numbers for me are very similar if I'm on just test.

Yes I've tested DHT a few times and its always been pretty high and of course way over the range if over TRT dose oftest.

For the PT 141 the first time I used it, pretty awesome for erection but literally nothing for libido, took 12-16 or so hours to kick in and lasted another 10-14 hours which I took advantage of. Tried next weekend and kind of helped but didn't work anywhere near as good. After that wasn't doing much so I stopped using it and I didn't feel very good on it either.

Yes I agree with the dopamine thing, I'm fairly sure there's a neurotransmitter imbalance but I don't know how to tackle it. I've tried DA agonist etc before but seems they just give me a wired/adrenaline feeling then a dopamine feeling.

 

[pimpman]

It's crazy how everyone wants to play doctor here. BRO go see a doctor and tell them your problems and if a regular doctor can't help see a specialist and I would go even as far as a psychologist.

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[swim15]

Any history of recreational drug use or past prescription use of SSRIs or anything similar?

 

[nothuman]

It's crazy how everyone wants to play doctor here. BRO go see a doctor and tell them your problems and if a regular doctor can't help see a specialist and I would go even as far as a psychologist.

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He said he has seen several

 

[btails]

Shot in the dark here but what's your bodyfat percentage?

I know once I get under the 9-10% mark sex is like a no go for me.

 

[maldorf]

take 5mg of cialis everyday problem solved

Problem here is that he has no desire to have sex either. That is what makes me think something psychological is going on.

To the OP, are you on any antidepressants or anxiety drugs such at Prozac? Those will ruin your drive.

 

[chopsuey]

It's crazy how everyone wants to play doctor here. BRO go see a doctor and tell them your problems and if a regular doctor can't help see a specialist and I would go even as far as a psychologist.

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I appreciate anyone feedback, as mentioned earlier I've seen quite a few doctors including:

1) 2 of the supposedly best endo's in Canada(and many more across the years). They don't seem to have any experience when it comes to this sort of thing although one has refereed me now to a doctor that specializes in neurotransmitter issues so will be interesting to see what comes of that.

2) Phone consults with Dr. Nichols - interesting and I'll most likely fly down to the states in the next month or two for full bloodwork and consult in person.

3) Numerous scans including CT scan to rule out tumor etc, full body scan and ultrasounds to make sure everything is ok(liver)

4) Have seen shrinks but they just want to push anti depressants which I don't think will help anything.

I realize its a long shot posting on here but figured some people have run into similar issues and I've already had a lot of great feedback and things I can try that I didn't think of before which I'm grateful for.

 

[chopsuey]

Problem here is that he has no desire to have sex either. That is what makes me think something psychological is going on.

To the OP, are you on any antidepressants or anxiety drugs such at Prozac? Those will ruin your drive.

No I've never taken any anxiety or anti depressants. While I do have some anxiety at times it's not that bad and I know SSRI's are notorious for killing sex drive so I've stayed away from them.