Are low dose people bullshitting?

[marshall]

It's been said on here that the genetically elite for the most part take very low dosages, so low that according to some top trainers and pro's, you would laugh if you knew what they took. (this has been challenged and debated with very length threads).

The questions remain, why do they (the genetic elite) even take aas then? Why inherit all of the risks involved for something that they only use baby amounts anyway? Something doesn't add up in this equation, we have bodybuilders who claim to weigh 280+ and step on stage at 240+ using baby amounts that would be laughed at, so why do they inherit the risks involved?

Common sense tells you that the person would look absolutely incredible without anything.

So then who are the ones who are too afraid to train and/or compete naturally? The genetically elite who still take their baby amounts and for some reason can't give them up? Or are they doing this to keep ahead of the people with lesser genetics who will take any amount of anything to beat them?

Lastly, why do people behave in this manner or participate in such an odd competition that has is dependent on what people take and obviously not a level playing field?

 

[Fa Seeshus]

it is not so simple to say that someone on tiny amounts of gear who looks incredible should not even bother doing gear.

i respond to small doses of anything. i keep it low because raising the dose usually means more ancillaries, which i feel often cut into the whatever benefit the drug gave in the first place. i gain and feel much better on a hormone replacement dose of test 70-100mg a week, as opposed to 500 + mg a week with lots of armidex and at times proscar.


alot of anabolics get a bad wrap as being useless at under a certain dosage. that is silly. if have a fairly low bf you can seen the effects of primo or var.

 

[bluto]

you dont have to do big doses

Ive tried 3-4 times what im using now and by eating hard and keeping healthy with good vitimins, minerals, sleep etc Im growing just as much as ever.

Sometimes I think you just have to be patient and train harder and smarter, not use more and more. Most big pros have been in the game for ten + years before they are monsters.

 

[remos_pl]

Why do people drink alcohol?
Why do people go skydiving?
Why do people eat cheesecake?

Nothing in life comes without a cost attached......At least they are smart enough to use "baby amounts" and lower the potential risks. Perhaps they like there gains, like how it makes them feel, etc etc. Beats me, but seriously who cares?

You asked why people behave in this manner or participate in such odd competition.

I have a better question.....Why would a person waste energy, brain space, or even one second of their day thinking about something they deem as odd or taking it even further by making posts on the internet wasting more time askings silly questions about it. I find it odd that people pierce their genitals, but hell if it makes them happy, pierce away it's no skin off my back, but im certainly not going to find some piercing messageboard on the internet and question why they do it.

 

[marshall]

Nothing in life comes without a cost attached......At least they are smart enough to lower the potential risks.

Nothing in life?

So am I to surmise from that statement that you feel bodybuilding cannot be done without aas?

Bodybuilding doesn't come without a price attached, interesting take on it.

Smart enough to lower the risks? Health is only 1 risk factor, you are not looking at the entire picture.

I'm not questioning why people bodybuild, I'm questioning why bodybuilding has evolved to be what it is.

 

[marshall]

Ive tried 3-4 times what im using now and by eating hard and keeping healthy with good vitimins, minerals, sleep etc Im growing just as much as ever.

Sometimes I think you just have to be patient and train harder and smarter, not use more and more. Most big pros have been in the game for ten + years before they are monsters.

Good post, but why use any? Unless someone is older and prescribed HRT to get them in a normal range, I'm curious why the genetically gifted, who do not fit the HRT profile and who only take doses that no one would believe them, even take those doses, considering the risks involved.

I'm not asking a pro or anti-aas question, I have nothing against them and don't look down on someone who does them. I'm trying to understand the mindset.

The competition factor is clearly skewed as no one knows who is doing what. It's not simply that someone scored higher on a test than someone else, because they have a higher IQ.

 

[Moen]

I would say, assuming the information that gets to us is correct, they would have to do so in order not to get surpassed by others who do go at it hard just as you said

 

[KillerStack]

Sometimes I think you just have to be patient and train harder and smarter, not use more and more. Most big pros have been in the game for ten + years before they are monsters.

The genetic elite "blow up" immediately when they start training, and/or juicing. It's kind of ridiculous when the elite preach patience when they were winning shows mere months after starting training. Lee Priest was Australian Champion at 13, eligible for pro card at 17 (still natural no less!)... yeah, lots of patience involved LOL.

 

[KillerStack]

Good post, but why use any? Unless someone is older and prescribed HRT to get them in a normal range, I'm curious why the genetically gifted, who do not fit the HRT profile and who only take doses that no one would believe them, even take those doses, considering the risks involved.

marshall, you are smart, you know they don't use HRT doses, none of them do despite what is claimed. It's just hyperbole to make a point that it's not ALL about the amount of drugs you pump in your body.

This thread is useless, never leads to anywhere productive.

 

[Big A]

Lee Priest was Australian Champion at 13, eligible for pro card at 17 (still natural no less!)... yeah, lots of patience involved LOL.

Actually no, he won the world's at 17 qualifying for the pro card but then failed the drug test for deca. He was suspended for 2 years, and then won the world's again at 19 and got his card.

 

[Malic777.com]

i grow on 5mg d-bol/day...and so do most of my firends at work...we train and work at our base and to turn the story on you most of them did not believe me there are people on the planet who take 1gramm of test/week or 2 gramms/week...they thought i was making up tall stories because a heavy heavy cycle to them is 2 amps/week test because the insert on the test box says one should take 1amp ever 10 days ...i dont think its genetics i think its has more to do with the fact that we have so much time on our hands and so little work that its like in prision were you can focus only on the weightlifting and there is nothing else...

people who take low doses usually dont get any sides so i guess this is why the genetically gifted do it in the first place...its nice easy muscle...alex

 

[KillerStack]

Actually no, he won the world's at 17 qualifying for the pro card but then failed the drug test for deca. He was suspended for 2 years, and then won the world's again at 19 and got his card.

Oh, wow, didn't know he failed a test at 17 Yes he looked juiced in his 17 year old pics, I said that sort of tongue in cheek. Actually, just a couple of days ago I said on getbig that he was juiced for sure at 17 and Lee got mad a hell saying I was jealous, etc. Swears he did his first cycle at 19.

 

[Big A]

Oh, wow, didn't know he failed a test at 17 Yes he looked juiced in his 17 year old pics, I said that sort of tongue in cheek. Actually, just a couple of days ago I said on getbig that he was juiced for sure at 17 and Lee got mad a hell saying I was jealous, etc. Swears he did his first cycle at 19.

His deca drug test failure at the world's was widely publicised in the mags at the time because if it wasn't for that he would have been the youngest pro card receiver ever.

 

[marshall]

i grow on 5mg d-bol/day...and so do most of my firends at work...

Honestly, why bother? And if you are in a place where an Rx is required, why break the law for 5mg when you have insane genetics and probably look incredible anyway.

 

[marshall]

Actually no, he won the world's at 17 qualifying for the pro card but then failed the drug test for deca. He was suspended for 2 years, and then won the world's again at 19 and got his card.

Lee is a perfect example. He claims he only took/takes 200mg/week of Deca.

So by his claim, he really has an IFBB body naturally, yet he threw away the distinction of being the youngest IFBB pro ever and continously broke IFBB rules by taking his "200mg of Deca".

Nothing about that would make any sense.

So on one hand we have Lee Priest and his 200mg of Deca and on the other we have a great pro like Milos who claims something magical happens at the 3g/week mark.

That is a helluva bell-curve for people with elite genetics. There's some b/s somewhere, that's for sure.

 

[Dad]

This thread is off to an interesting start.

My personal view is that people consistantly overlook or outright deny the importance of genetics. THey usually come up with some line (no doubt gleaned from a BB mag) that bodybuilding is about "ovecoming" your genetics or some equally absurd statment.

My first cycle, back when AAS were prescribed by docs (which the first 3 cycles I did were) was 10, that's right ten, mg of d-bol a day for 6 weeks. I gained 20 lbs on the 20 rep/20 set Arnold-type training, a diet of late nights, scotch whiskey and fast food. In other words, I knew nothing about training or diet, did everything wrong, and STILL put 20 lbs on. AND, I would rate my genetics as "ok" at best - certainly not elite.

This is why it's easy for me to believe that the pros don't need, and don't do what people think they do in terms of doages as duration. It's also why I think those on BB boards are so crazy to be doing a gram or more a week for 8, 10, 12, 16, 22, or as in one recent post, just simply stay on all the time.

If, after your first modest cycle or two, yuo've only gained 10 lbs, you porbably aren't going to respond much better by radically upping the dose and duration - it's simply not in yuor genetics. Of course, no one wants to hear this.

 

[Malic777.com]

Honestly, why bother? And if you are in a place where an Rx is required, why break the law for 5mg when you have insane genetics and probably look incredible anyway.

no rx for gear down here bro ...everything is OTC...

as for why...i must say i was very pleased with my looks before AS im not a competing body builder i just wanted to look good for the ladies so i dont really know why...its was just a few d-bol tabbies i remember it was the old "bionabol" 40 tabs/bottle 5mg/tab it was before the bios came in them old brown bottles...i did 2 tabs/day for 20 days LOL...i got my first cycle from my doctor he was an old army buddy he told me it was "good stuff" i didnt even know that steroids made you bigger i thought they made you just faster and stronger ...

id gain 10lb easy if i did 5mg/day d-bol for 2 weeks...a guy i know takes them for HRT like 5mg/day hes been on for like 10 years...he looks pretty decent for his age...

the most i did was 1gtest/week it was complete and utter overkill in my opinion...alex

 

[ALLEX]

Using small doses of aas in my case means the difference between the enviroment being anabolic or no. I really can't get enough rest or a perfect diet, so anything around 300mg/week of aas make a hell of a difference. Actually, 80mcg of clen daily has been enough to keep me anabolic sometimes... Genetics are a major deal. I eat less than most people I know and I'm 50 pounds heavier than most of them.

 

[bgmke7]

have anyone ever asked a formly fat women, who now lost all her weight and looks realitively good, what she eats and how she lost the weight.you most likely will get,"oh,i eat low carbs and exercise 6days a week and never drink or do drugs,blah blah blah.................she wont tell you the late night ice cream binges and junk food urges cause people are inherently liars.all the while she is taking loads of adderal or phen-fen or many of the other fat lose drugs out there(stimulants mostly) and will never admit that it took extreme measures to get to where she is today................my point is people want to take the credit for (positive moments) in their lives and dont like to admit to any outside help.they either are embarrassed that they are taking so many things to lose the weight and still eat like shit or they just dont want other women to know how they lost the weight so they all stay fat im using a situation from personl experience that i know happens for sure but i thought that maybe this might be a different way to look at this overly debated subject.they question will never be answered cause people just wont be honest enough for this debate to ever stop.some situations maybe true with people taking lose doses and competing at a high level but so few that its not worth debating.but the question at it core is valid.why would someone who could obviously attain the needed muscle mass without drugs risk their freedom(not health cause the dose is too low anyway),and the humiliation of getting caught and therefore having all their hard work attributed to huge drug use?.............i say dont take them and then show everyone with (numerous drug tests) that they are clean and challenge all others to do the same,which they wont.............JMO

 

[r1ddl3r]

why do you care? 200mg or 10gr /week whats the difference for you? The "secret" of the pros dosent lie in the amount of gear, it lies in their will to win. And they will do anything to win. Starve, burn out, endure the pain, whatever!

So if you knew somehow that it takes X amount of gear to be huge mofo, will it make any difference for you? Are you willing to endure the 100 other things it takes to be a freak?