Begginer insulin help

[Clarence]

I posted this in the beginner thread a few days ago but it hasn't got much traction. I apologize if this isn't the correct place but just trying to find a good starting place for my implementation of insulin. Ive done a ton of reading on here and the information has led me to the proposed setup below. ANY HELP would be greatly appreciated.

Age 38
Weight 203
BF 11.7
Diet 225 P 400 C 50 Fat
Currently on T 400 a week and will fall back on my TRT protocol in 8 weeks.
Training for 20 years. Current program has me training 6 days a week.
Goals be in the best shape of my life at 40. Id like to put on 10-15lbs of muscle in the next 19 months and continue to push the envelope of strength while balancing my aesthetics.

1. 3ius pre with 50 carbs
2. 3ius post with Post shake 50 Pro 50 carbs. Wait an hour and eat a heavy protein meal with at least 100 Carbs.
3. Will have glucose tabs on hand.
4. Aiming to let my carb intake dictate my insulin at a little over 10gs per iu.

 

[Gunsmith]

What kind of insulin are you using??
That has alot to do with the timing.

Look at the active life of the insulin and spread out the needed carbs over that time frame.

 

[Clarence]

What kind of insulin are you using??
That has alot to do with the timing.

Look at the active life of the insulin and spread out the needed carbs over that time frame.

Yes! It will most likely be Humalog from Walmart.

 

[Avaric3]

Yes! It will most likely be Humalog from Walmart.

HumaLOG as in the fastest acting insulin which requires a prescription in the US or did you mean Walmart brand insulin which is the equivalent of HumuLIN R?

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Id try eating more and taking more gear first
Less hassle

 

[bbxtreme]

I posted this in the beginner thread a few days ago but it hasn't got much traction. I apologize if this isn't the correct place but just trying to find a good starting place for my implementation of insulin. Ive done a ton of reading on here and the information has led me to the proposed setup below. ANY HELP would be greatly appreciated.

Age 38
Weight 203
BF 11.7
Diet 225 P 400 C 50 Fat
Currently on T 400 a week and will fall back on my TRT protocol in 8 weeks.
Training for 20 years. Current program has me training 6 days a week.
Goals be in the best shape of my life at 40. Id like to put on 10-15lbs of muscle in the next 19 months and continue to push the envelope of strength while balancing my aesthetics.

1. 3ius pre with 50 carbs
2. 3ius post with Post shake 50 Pro 50 carbs. Wait an hour and eat a heavy protein meal with at least 100 Carbs.
3. Will have glucose tabs on hand.
4. Aiming to let my carb intake dictate my insulin at a little over 10gs per iu.

Height? Why are you adding insulin before more food, gear and HGH especially.

I’d focus on diet and HGH before even thinking about insulin personally.

 

[buck]

Seems that deciding how many carbs or macros are needed first to achieve ones goal is the way to go then add insulin as needed.

 

[Clarence]

Height? Why are you adding insulin before more food, gear and HGH especially.

I’d focus on diet and HGH before even thinking about insulin personally.

Ok. Thank you. Im taking your advice to heart because this was also in the back of my head. Currently I am sitting at 3200-3500 calories a day. What would you suggest as a bench mark or ideology to use in order to know when I have hit my limit of food intake. My goal is to stay between 10-12%. Im currently sitting at 11.7 at 202-206.

Again thank you so much for your input.

 

[Clarence]

Seems that deciding how many carbs or macros are needed first to achieve ones goal is the way to go then add insulin as needed.

That's where I led with 50C to support 3ius pre then 50C during my workouts and 50C for post with 3ius. If I send it. I want to be on the cautious side first. Thank you for your input!

 

[BigDaddy7]

Id add in a little GH before throwing in some insulin tbh.

But when you add insulin, my preference is start with a small amount pre + pre drink with carbs (outside gym), then more carbs IW. What I would usually start someone with; 5iu humalog 30-40g carb, then 40g carb IW.

 

[bbxtreme]

Ok. Thank you. Im taking your advice to heart because this was also in the back of my head. Currently I am sitting at 3200-3500 calories a day. What would you suggest as a bench mark or ideology to use in order to know when I have hit my limit of food intake. My goal is to stay between 10-12%. Im currently sitting at 11.7 at 202-206.

Again thank you so much for your input.

Ideally you want to maximize test, other compounds and then HGH before you add in insulin. IMO insulin really shines in a rebound and when you’re coming out of a dieted and depleted state.

And overall wouldn’t use insulin without HGH.

But to answer the question for anyone I always go back to John Meadows insulin protocol- start with it pre workout around 4-6 units for 4-5 weeks then bump to 10 units for 4-5 weeks then cycle of.

You will stay much leaner using it only pre workout IMO.

 

[cage99]

Ok. Thank you. Im taking your advice to heart because this was also in the back of my head. Currently I am sitting at 3200-3500 calories a day. What would you suggest as a bench mark or ideology to use in order to know when I have hit my limit of food intake. My goal is to stay between 10-12%. Im currently sitting at 11.7 at 202-206.

Again thank you so much for your input.

Increase your protein intake to increase your total caloric total by 500 calories. Watch the mirror for a few weeks then adjust accordingly.

Cage

 

[Clarence]

Ideally you want to maximize test, other compounds and then HGH before you add in insulin. IMO insulin really shines in a rebound and when you’re coming out of a dieted and depleted state.

And overall wouldn’t use insulin without HGH.

But to answer the question for anyone I always go back to John Meadows insulin protocol- start with it pre workout around 4-6 units for 4-5 weeks then bump to 10 units for 4-5 weeks then cycle of.

You will stay much leaner using it only pre workout IMO.

AWESOME!!! Thank you! And I definitely have seen Meadows protocol for this. Tracking All! Thank you very much!

 

[Clarence]

Increase your protein intake to increase your total caloric total by 500 calories. Watch the mirror for a few weeks then adjust accordingly.

Cage

Will try immediately! Thank you!

 

[Clarence]

Id add in a little GH before throwing in some insulin tbh.

But when you add insulin, my preference is start with a small amount pre + pre drink with carbs (outside gym), then more carbs IW. What I would usually start someone with; 5iu humalog 30-40g carb, then 40g carb IW.

Awesome, thank you! Yah this is lining up with what everyone else is telling me. Pre it is!!! Seriously thank you for your time.

 

[Clarence]

Yes sorry

HumaLOG as in the fastest acting insulin which requires a prescription in the US or did you mean Walmart brand insulin which is the equivalent of HumuLIN R?

Humulin R. Yes, Clearly learning here. hahaha

 

[qbkilla]

Ideally you want to maximize test, other compounds and then HGH before you add in insulin. IMO insulin really shines in a rebound and when you’re coming out of a dieted and depleted state.

And overall wouldn’t use insulin without HGH.

But to answer the question for anyone I always go back to John Meadows insulin protocol- start with it pre workout around 4-6 units for 4-5 weeks then bump to 10 units for 4-5 weeks then cycle of.

You will stay much leaner using it only pre workout IMO.

Curious, if calories are the same, you think pre only vs pre and post will keep a leaner physique?

Also to op Walmart has novalin r too, similar but save you some $$. Good advice on this thread. I shoot mine IM , keep fat intake close to 0 pre and post also. But I've heard people say a little fat 5-10g in the window actually gives better results. Probably bro science but I think I read it shuttles fat into the muscle belly which gives it fullness. No idea if true.

I keep smarties or sweet tarts in gym bag just in case you go hypo.

 

[Clarence]

Curious, if calories are the same, you think pre only vs pre and post will keep a leaner physique?

Also to op Walmart has novalin r too, similar but save you some $$. Good advice on this thread. I shoot mine IM , keep fat intake close to 0 pre and post also. But I've heard people say a little fat 5-10g in the window actually gives better results. Probably bro science but I think I read it shuttles fat into the muscle belly which gives it fullness. No idea if true.

I keep smarties or sweet tarts in gym bag just in case you go hypo.

Sick!!! Thank you. Haven't read the 5-10g of fat technique but will look into it myself. Love that bro science! hahaha

 

[bbxtreme]

Curious, if calories are the same, you think pre only vs pre and post will keep a leaner physique?

Also to op Walmart has novalin r too, similar but save you some $$. Good advice on this thread. I shoot mine IM , keep fat intake close to 0 pre and post also. But I've heard people say a little fat 5-10g in the window actually gives better results. Probably bro science but I think I read it shuttles fat into the muscle belly which gives it fullness. No idea if true.

I keep smarties or sweet tarts in gym bag just in case you go hypo.

I think it’s splitting hairs TBH. But I will say my midsection stays much tighter when I keep insulin only in for pre-workout as you’re pinning it to help shuttle the EAA’s, carnitine etc while you’re active and exercising.

Now if you’re in a gaining phase and have maximized the amount you can use pre against the carbs you can consume then absolutely add it post. If you’re doing 10 units and 100g of carbs intra workout then that’s a lot of carbs while you’re exercising IMO.

Now I’ll take it one level deeper. If you have a drive before the gym like most you can split your pre-insulin. Take say 4 units with 50g of carbs along with your pre-workout. Then drive to the gym and pin the difference right before you walk in and start sipping on your intra carbs.

I’m all about maximizing that pre and intra window, but for the average person it’s way overkill.

On fats I would absolutely makes sure you get some good fats from almond butter or oils in your meal prior to pre-workout items- say an hour before roughly.

So many ways to dial it in, but unless you’re competing or pushing at a high level I would just focus on getting the calories up and in with the help of insulin. I personally only use Humalog or Fiasp, but you can time any of the others of course.

 

[KillerStack]

To those who use amino acids with insulin, and are pretty anal about supplements and drugs I have a few questions. Do you just any EAA on sale or with the best taste, or do you actually look at the amino ratio on the label. For example Milos is partial to free form aminos around workout but says hydrolystate proteins can work well too. I instinctively think there's something wrong with a product with 8 or 9 grams of BCAA out of a 10 gram serving and then just fairy dust dosages of the rest, often even missing tryptofan or histidine. Who makes these formulations and based on what? There could be for example a formula based on daily requirements of each amino studied by the WHO or USDA (or whatever it was.) Then you could reason that leucine might be good to overdose a little. This could be relevant if aminos is all you consume around the workout and insulin is active. So what I do is choose a formulation with a good reputation which has at least 3 or 400mg of the lowest amino, usually tryptophan. I take maybe 15 grams of aminos and add a mild tasting hydrolystate at 10 grams, say Peptopro. So you get some of the inessentials included as well for various benefits. This could be consumed at one serving before, one during and one after

Then at other times I think, "get ahold of yourself, just mix some whey iso or hydro with carbs and be done with it! LOL.

Lately I've used Jordan Peters EAA but then I see he has a new intraworkout EAA for even more anabolism LOL. Leucine increased by a couple of grams, the two other BCAAs dropped by a couple of grams. Tryptofan of all aminos from like 50mg to a gram, a 20 fold increase. Lysine is at 2 grams LOL, so what the fuck.