Creatine with Carbs vs Creatine alone

[5millionbucks]

So I have been on and off using creatine for a while, one thing I realized is everytime I run a creatine blend with carbs/aminos like Gaspari Size On or MHP Dark Matter, why is the strength difference alot more noticable then just taking 5 grams of monohydrate or any other types of creatine. I realized there is a big big diff in workout performance taking these blends with carbs compared to just taking it alone.

I understand that it takes time for saturation, and with carbs/dextrose/waxy maize it reaches there quicker. But I've taken creatine for 6-8 weeks straight and the strength difference is not the same as taking something like Size On or Dark Matter in a 2-3 week time period. I thought creatine was just a myth and all you needed was 5 grams per day. When I was younger, I used to load with 10-15 grams of creapure alone, and even that did not compare to taking creatine with a carb blend in regards to workout performance.

 

[plane]

CARB SPIKE INSULIN, INSULIN TRANSPORT CREATINE, MORE CREATINE IS ABSORBED, RESULTS ARE BETTER.
PROVEN BY MANY STUDIES. BUT CAVE MAN SEE CREATINE WORK BETTER WITH CARB, CAVE MAN NO NEED STUDY.

 

[Orville Shreddenbacher]

I was always under the assumption that it was the insulin spike that drove the creatine into your system more efficiently. I've used humalig with carbs and creatine with good success in the past

 

[juggy38]

Cell-tech man!!!!

 

[5millionbucks]

I was always under the assumption that it was the insulin spike that drove the creatine into your system more efficiently. I've used humalig with carbs and creatine with good success in the past

Thats what I thought too, but then you hear people say you dont need carbs with creatine, just throw it in with electrolytes and EAAs/BCAAs, I've done that and no difference. I guess you absorb it alot better using something that drives insulin to spike compared to taking it alone. So many people now saying you don't need to take it with carbs because of all the shenanigans with Cell Tech back in the day, people stating that it caused way too much bloating when mixing it with dextrose on top of it just being a overpriced sugary drink.

 

[5millionbucks]

CARB SPIKE INSULIN, INSULIN TRANSPORT CREATINE, MORE CREATINE IS ABSORBED, RESULTS ARE BETTER.
PROVEN BY MANY STUDIES. BUT CAVE MAN SEE CREATINE WORK BETTER WITH CARB, CAVE MAN NO NEED STUDY.

I've tried those chews and with juice, didn't replicate the same results.

 

[Tomgrass]

L carnitine also work better with carbs , tren work better with carbs - carbs are so damn usefull in bodybuilding.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

So I have been on and off using creatine for a while, one thing I realized is everytime I run a creatine blend with carbs/aminos like Gaspari Size On or MHP Dark Matter, why is the strength difference alot more noticable then just taking 5 grams of monohydrate or any other types of creatine. I realized there is a big big diff in workout performance taking these blends with carbs compared to just taking it alone.

I understand that it takes time for saturation, and with carbs/dextrose/waxy maize it reaches there quicker. But I've taken creatine for 6-8 weeks straight and the strength difference is not the same as taking something like Size On or Dark Matter in a 2-3 week time period. I thought creatine was just a myth and all you needed was 5 grams per day. When I was younger, I used to load with 10-15 grams of creapure alone, and even that did not compare to taking creatine with a carb blend in regards to workout performance.

it’s not just a carb blend

 

[livinlean]

What makes you think the workout performance is increased due to creatine? Adding carbs alone will increase performance to some extent at least.

 

[5millionbucks]

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it’s not just a carb blend

Yes, but its basically waxy maize/dextrose, creatine, glycerol, and EAAs and Size On is almost similar to Dark Matter

 

[5millionbucks]

What makes you think the workout performance is increased due to creatine? Adding carbs alone will increase performance to some extent at least.

Upping my carbs considerable increases workout performance esp over a longer period of time, but not like these supplements I mentioned before. There is an increase in performance that is up by a considerable amount without changing diet and eating at maintenance. Adding these carb/creatine blends to my macros without increasing my intake, I see a big difference in workout performance.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Yes, but its basically waxy maize/dextrose, creatine, glycerol, and EAAs and Size On is almost similar to Dark Matter

what i’m saying is the two aren’t comparable.

juice + creatine ≠ 3 different types of creatine, carbs, glycerol, bcaa’s, vitamins, electrolytes, taurine, glutamine

Upping my carbs considerable increases workout performance esp over a longer period of time, but not like these supplements I mentioned before. There is an increase in performance that is up by a considerable amount without changing diet and eating at maintenance.

what is “considerable amount”

you’re not giving any metric

 

[5millionbucks]

what i’m saying is the two aren’t comparable.

juice + creatine ≠ 3 different types of creatine, carbs, glycerol, bcaa’s, vitamins, electrolytes, taurine, glutamine

what is “considerable amount”

you’re not giving any metric

I'll go back to highschool and college days when I used to run these supplements on and off, I just forgot NO Shotgun was another one. When I was 16 I remember taking Green Magnitude(creatine with l-tyrosine and betaine) for a 2 month time period, I purchased some Size On from bodybuilding.com because of the raves/reviews, my close grip bench press at the time went from 175lb for 5-6 to like 205 for 7 reps in a 4 week time period after switching creatine. I used to think, why the fuck would I ever go on juice if I have this.

From then on I would run Size On, on and off. I remember when I was 17 turning 18, I was bench pressing 235lbs for like 8 reps, taking Size On 4 weeks later I did 275lb for 8-9 clean, I also gained like 7 extra lbs during that 4 week period and got a little fatter eating like a fat fuck. Shit could of been spiked at the time because not even anavar produced strength like this, but then again Ive only run var on a cut/recomp. I did this again while just eating at maintenance, and there was about a 30lb increase in bench for the same reps

Now it seems the formula doesn't seem to give me dramatic strength gains when I was younger, but most recently I did use it about a year ago, and brought my squat about 60 lbs in a 6 week period, I cant really bring up bench press numbers recently since I had tendinitis in my right shoulder that whole time. Running Dark Matter, or NO Shotgun these dramatic increases in strength would go up even more if I was bulking. If I am running these supps on maintenance we are talking like 25-30lbs for the same rep scheme in a 4-6 week period. Reg creatine mono will give me about 10-15lbs max at the same rep scheme.

 

[buck]

30 years ago i would take it with carbs to get the most out of it according to the science. But can't say i noticed a thing. But i had been eating 300+ grams of protein a day so i was probably saturated. If a muscle has all that it can use i don't see where more is going to do a thing. I still take it now that i eat less protein and i take it with what ever i want. Mostly throw it in a shake and call it good and don't worry about the carbs as they are lower these days anyway.

 

[5millionbucks]

30 years ago i would take it with carbs to get the most out of it according to the science. But can't say i noticed a thing. But i had been eating 300+ grams of protein a day so i was probably saturated. If a muscle has all that it can use i don't see where more is going to do a thing. I still take it now that i eat less protein and i take it with what ever i want. Mostly throw it in a shake and call it good and don't worry about the carbs as they are lower these days anyway.

thats the thing some people dont notice it and some people like me notice it more. I have tried hcl, monohydrate, Kre Alkalyn, MCC etc. by itself or in just creatine blends and the performance gains are similar to everyone else, but these creatine blends they work alot better, only downside is they really make me bloated and creatine in general bloats me up as is.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I'll go back to highschool and college days when I used to run these supplements on and off, I just forgot NO Shotgun was another one. When I was 16 I remember taking Green Magnitude(creatine with l-tyrosine and betaine) for a 2 month time period, I purchased some Size On from bodybuilding.com because of the raves/reviews, my close grip bench press at the time went from 175lb for 5-6 to like 205 for 7 reps in a 4 week time period after switching creatine. I used to think, why the fuck would I ever go on juice if I have this.

From then on I would run Size On, on and off. I remember when I was 17 turning 18, I was bench pressing 235lbs for like 8 reps, taking Size On 4 weeks later I did 275lb for 8-9 clean, I also gained like 7 extra lbs during that 4 week period and got a little fatter eating like a fat fuck. Shit could of been spiked at the time because not even anavar produced strength like this, but then again Ive only run var on a cut/recomp. I did this again while just eating at maintenance, and there was about a 30lb increase in bench for the same reps

Now it seems the formula doesn't seem to give me dramatic strength gains when I was younger, but most recently I did use it about a year ago, and brought my squat about 60 lbs in a 6 week period, I cant really bring up bench press numbers recently since I had tendinitis in my right shoulder that whole time. Running Dark Matter, or NO Shotgun these dramatic increases in strength would go up even more if I was bulking. If I am running these supps on maintenance we are talking like 25-30lbs for the same rep scheme in a 4-6 week period. Reg creatine mono will give me about 10-15lbs max at the same rep scheme.

there‘s your solution. Buy SizeOn

end of story

 

[Alan1]

The effect of combined supplementation of carbohydrates and creatine on anaerobic performance

The purpose of the study was to examine the effect of creatine (Cr) supplementation on anaerobic performance when ingesting creatine and carbohydrates (CHO) together. Twenty male physical education students comprised the two experimental (CR and CRCHO) ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The findings of the present study suggest that ingesting creatine together with carbohydrates will not further improve performance compared to the ingestion of creatine only."

 

[SouthernMuscle]

So I have been on and off using creatine for a while, one thing I realized is everytime I run a creatine blend with carbs/aminos like Gaspari Size On or MHP Dark Matter, why is the strength difference alot more noticable then just taking 5 grams of monohydrate or any other types of creatine. I realized there is a big big diff in workout performance taking these blends with carbs compared to just taking it alone.

I understand that it takes time for saturation, and with carbs/dextrose/waxy maize it reaches there quicker. But I've taken creatine for 6-8 weeks straight and the strength difference is not the same as taking something like Size On or Dark Matter in a 2-3 week time period. I thought creatine was just a myth and all you needed was 5 grams per day. When I was younger, I used to load with 10-15 grams of creapure alone, and even that did not compare to taking creatine with a carb blend in regards to workout performance.

The effect of combined supplementation of carbohydrates and creatine on anaerobic performance

The purpose of the study was to examine the effect of creatine (Cr) supplementation on anaerobic performance when ingesting creatine and carbohydrates (CHO) together. Twenty male physical education students comprised the two experimental (CR and CRCHO) ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The findings of the present study suggest that ingesting creatine together with carbohydrates will not further improve performance compared to the ingestion of creatine only."

Well well well, seems like according to this here study you’re full of hot air bucko

 

[SouthernMuscle]

The effect of combined supplementation of carbohydrates and creatine on anaerobic performance

The purpose of the study was to examine the effect of creatine (Cr) supplementation on anaerobic performance when ingesting creatine and carbohydrates (CHO) together. Twenty male physical education students comprised the two experimental (CR and CRCHO) ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The findings of the present study suggest that ingesting creatine together with carbohydrates will not further improve performance compared to the ingestion of creatine only."

 

[Alan1]

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Haha. Well admittedly, that graphic pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. If anyone perceives better performance using a combo product as compared to creatine alone then hey, keep buying 'em. Lord knows how many hundreds of dollars I've spent on such products over the years (my fave years back was AST's Creatine HSC), but can't say I ever noticed a discernable difference versus say, just mixing a standard creatine dose with whatever and taking it consistently over the long term.