cut after cycle?

ssdark1 · Mar 20, 2007

first of all, i would just like to say thanks to this board and its members. i stumbled upon this site a few months ago seeking some basic aas info and since then it has pretty much changed my life...from training to nutrition to relationship problems to my understanding of aas. i now consider myself fairly knowledgable. again, thanks.

im about to start my first cycle of 300mgs a week of test e followed by nolvadex pct. my goal is to gain but i would like to cut up a bit after the cycle. is this a bad idea? should i be more concerned with maintaining muscle? and what would be the best way of going about doing it? i do not want to comprimise my gains but would like to have a decent six pack. any suggestions?

stats. 26 yrs, little over a year training consistently but off and on since age 18, have made decent gains about 20 pounds, 6ft 220 at about 13%bf (not so sure about bf %). following big a's training principles.

Zuke · Mar 20, 2007

First off, I suggest you get a bodyfat test done. I gaurantee you are higher than you think you are. Especially, if you have never had one before. I must congradulate you! You have chosen a smart, sane first cycle. You are playing if safe and YES you will get great gains off this cycle.

Just worry about finishing the cycle. Then start PCT. However, once you start your PCT you could try a peptide cycle of IGF1. I would just add the IGF1 in with what you were planning.

You could do 4mcg 3X a week. Then do that on a 4wk on/2wk off/ 4wk on fashion. That would be a great! You could do pMGF as well.

Just a thought! GOODLUCK!

ssdark1 · Mar 20, 2007

thanks for the reply...im sure your right about me having a higher bf% than i think. this may be a stupid question but where do you go to have it tested. your doctor? i guess ill just concentrate on maintaining what i gain.

yeah, ive decided to take the advice of the majority of the members of the board and keep the dosages to a minimum. my only worries stem from this comment being made more than once, "300mgs will only shut down your natural test production and replace it". everyone says your first cycle is your best so make the most of it. while i dont want to over do it i sure wouldnt want to under do it either. if anyone can make me feel more confident in my decision to do 300mgs that would be great bc i had originaly planned on 500mgs.

thanks in advance...

Zuke · Mar 20, 2007

500mgs is great too. Just don't go any higher than that!

YoungNJacked · Mar 21, 2007

for your size i would say probably 500mg. my first cycle i tried 250mg and got nothing until i bumped up to 500mg and made good progress. i would also advise about having some nolva on hand just in case you are gyno prone like me. have fun with it dude and remember to eat good foods not just anything.

terryd5150 · Mar 21, 2007

ssdark1 said:
thanks for the reply...im sure your right about me having a higher bf% than i think. this may be a stupid question but where do you go to have it tested. your doctor? i guess ill just concentrate on maintaining what i gain.

yeah, ive decided to take the advice of the majority of the members of the board and keep the dosages to a minimum. my only worries stem from this comment being made more than once, "300mgs will only shut down your natural test production and replace it". everyone says your first cycle is your best so make the most of it. while i dont want to over do it i sure wouldnt want to under do it either. if anyone can make me feel more confident in my decision to do 300mgs that would be great bc i had originaly planned on 500mgs.

thanks in advance...

500 mgs/wk is what you should start with at your current weight. Don't go below that, you won't get what you should from less than that.

The nolvadex after the cycle should be fine but make sure you have it during the cycle just in case you start to see gyno symptoms.

As far as cutting, with the right diet you should see lean gains in muscle while losing the bf.

ssdark1 · Mar 21, 2007

thanks for all your suggestions. i will go with 500mgs.

YoungNJacked · Mar 21, 2007

terryd5150 said:
500 mgs/wk is what you should start with at your current weight. Don't go below that, you won't get what you should from less than that.

The nolvadex after the cycle should be fine but make sure you have it during the cycle just in case you start to see gyno symptoms.

As far as cutting, with the right diet you should see lean gains in muscle while losing the bf.

didnt i just say that? lol

ssdark1 · Mar 22, 2007

well, i have already made my order with intentions of doing 300mgs, so i would only have enough for five weeks at 500. however, there has been a delay on my order and because of that my supplier is going to send $60 dollars of free stealth injectables test and it should be enough to complete an eight week cycle at 500. is it a bad idea to mix different brands and possibly different esters of test mid cycle? should i just order more of the test e?

would like to get as many opinions as possible, thanks...

YoungNJacked · Mar 22, 2007

dude you should have your whole cycle by your side, none of this picking up stuff one at a time. get it all then do it and whatever you want after or whatever. but you want to have a whole cycle already on hand, you never know what happens.

Steak Helmet · Mar 22, 2007

If you eat clean while cycling, you should not have to cut afterwards...let your body get use to the new weight...why cut when you just spent 8 to 16 weeks growing? I would say do you PCT and try and maintain as much as you can...then after a few months, if you want to cut up, then cut up...but why waste your money and time??

YoungNJacked · Mar 22, 2007

Steak Helmet said:
If you eat clean while cycling, you should not have to cut afterwards...let your body get use to the new weight...why cut when you just spent 8 to 16 weeks growing? I would say do you PCT and try and maintain as much as you can...then after a few months, if you want to cut up, then cut up...but why waste your money and time??

agreed, i admit when i was justing starting off i wanted to cut after cycles, and lost some size because of it, so you could learn from our mistakes bro. if you keep eating clean you will continue to grow after the cycle bro, maybe not as fast, but still will. eat clean 6 days a week and choose one day and eat something you have been craving. for me its pizza or burgers. but just staying clean on cycle for your first cycle is smartest. you are new to this so its a learning curve. i messed up when i was first starting off and ate like crap and put on way too much fat, then i wanted to cut and lost some of my muscle i gained.

ssdark1 · Mar 22, 2007

steakhelmet... when you put it like that the answer seems obvious. why would i risk losing when i just put forth so much effort in gaining, so i will put my focus on maintaining.

youngnjacked... you really hit home the importance of eating clean, thanks. i have gotten advice from guys i know who tell me just make sure to eat alot clean or not while bulking, but im definitly not interested in gaining fat.

any thoughts or links on mixing different brands and esters of test?

i really appreciate yall taking the time for my questions im sure these newbie questions can get pretty repetitive...

YoungNJacked · Mar 23, 2007

well prop is cheaper but it hurts like a mofo dude, its a short ester, works great but it feels like someone stabbed you in the arm with a knife after a day from inject. test enan is your best bet, its basically the same ester as cypionate but enanthate is american ester i believe, originated in the USA. i would say honestly to stick with this or maybe throw in a 1/2 cc of prop with each pinning(2x a week). it exits pretty quick but you will feel the pain and then you get to determine if you can handle it yet. the only way i do prop is if i have 2 cc's of long esters with it in the syringe, and then its still stings a bit for a day or 2. many pros have to take pain killers up the ying yang from all the pinning, joints and whatnot and you will see why with prop. in my opinion, its the best test ester, but only if you can stand the pain. also for me it aromatizes really fast so you will want something like nolva or aromasin or arimidex on hand just in case. for the diet, dont worry about protein, just eat a little more than you are now but healthy food with minimal fat and sugars. it will help BP and cholesterol levels as well(related). i pop a lot of fish oil pills during the day to help with BP and LDL and HDL levels. also might wanna eat a lot more fiber. also, be prepared to gain some water weight so dont think you are getting "fat" its just water, you will feel it the first week or so from water retention from the test.