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Cycle once and never again...

Ali

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Hopefully that title will get some people to view this thread :) Basically i'm curious to know if there is anyone out there that has done 1 cycle and went back to training natural for good?

I'm on my 9th week of my first cycle and I haven't set an official length for this cycle, however i have been really concerned with going back to training natural. I am afraid to loose my results and my biggest concern is realizing that once i get off, i will have to continue use to get results.

I went a good 8 years of training natural, I'm in my late 20's now and felt i had paid my dues so i took the plunge and so far things are good, but do has anyone done this to get results and just continued on and kept some of their results, or over time do you loose it all and go back to how you looked before you started AAS?

I have no plans to compete and never will...that's not my interest, however i can see this being a crutch to look a specific way.

Just curious to some of your guys thoughts...thanks in advance
 
what were your stats pre-cycle....and right now?

I have been trying to lean down and put on quality muscle, so numbers wise it hasn't been much gain 7-8 pounds..and i've lost bodyfat. I really wanted to avoid the putting on a lot of weight for the sake of saying " i gained 30pounds my first cycle" since i know that weight is all Bullshit weight.
 
I have been trying to lean down and put on quality muscle, so numbers wise it hasn't been much gain 7-8 pounds..and i've lost bodyfat. I really wanted to avoid the putting on a lot of weight for the sake of saying " i gained 30pounds my first cycle" since i know that weight is all Bullshit weight.
well its not really "all" bullshit weight. Basically you are going to lose somthing when you come off. If you gain 30 and lose 15 when you come off, you still gained decent. If you gained 8, and lose 4 when you come off, thats not as good as gaining 15. To me, that wouldnt be worth pinning yourself for. Then again if your losing BF, thats good, and counts for a gain as well.
IMO, gear gets you to where you want to be, a lot faster than the natural way. It all depends on where YOU want to be, and what you want out of it. If your looking to gain like 20 lbs, you could easily do that gear free. If your looking to gain 60+ lbs, gear is gonna get you there faster
 
You remind me of me, bro. Same situation (late 20's, years of natural training, worried about some type of dependency/reliance on AAS). Maybe the trick is just planning/moderation? Cycles aren't really that expensive, even done right with all the ancillary meds. Maybe stick to 1-2 cycles/year if you feel you need it, less or none at all if you don't. I think the real issue you're dealing with here is whether or not you feel satisfied enough with your gains at the end of your cycle to stay off AAS, and if you keep your gains, of course. I'd look more into how to keep your gains off of AAS than anything.
 
I guess it depends on your goals. Bodybuilding is addictive and gear is just a portion of the game. Being conditioned and healthy and enjoying your training with or without gear is most important to me. AAS use will meet goals above what the body can perform, but thats not to say the results wont be as gratifying naturally.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Yea , i definetly had unrealistic expectations for what gear would do, and given i am only taking a low test dose, I had heard years of pepole talk about how crazy the gains are. One thing i noticed more than anything is that it gives you a boost to get through a plauteua but by no means does it do the work for you...you have to bust your ass just as hard if not harder.

I gained a new respect for when i see guys that are jacked to the hilt and people say its the gear...sure the gear made that possible, however the hard work behind it that individual put in it.

My gains have been very mild and literally nobody could even guess i'm taking AAS..mainly becuase i didn't put on that 20-30 pounds and i needed to cut bodyfat...and you're correct i'm not really too happy with the results so far...since i expected more it kind of hard to end the cycle when I feel like I should of recieved more out of this, especially considering its my FIRST one..you hear so many people talk about first cycle gains...i guess its differnet for everyone. Maybe 250mg/wk just isn't enough for me...i know most said go low and conservative but maybe it's not gonna yeild to much gains for me and i needed more.

I have to put an ending date to this cycle and i'll think about that tonight, but another thing that worries me is not only going back to training natural and loosing gains but the sides of coming off. I hear about the zero sex drive , pepole loosing hair during pct...the whole process is just scary lol

I wish i would of gained 20lbs lean muscle and leaned up to 7% bodyfat...i'd be happy then LOL :) JK
 
I guess I fit this description

In my several years of training(I am 40) I have only done one real cycle. A very successfull sust/deca cyle. It's not that I don't want to have another, it's that I live in AUSTRALIA:mad: So essentially unless the steroid gods smile on me it might be one and out!
 
You remind me of me, bro. Same situation (late 20's, years of natural training, worried about some type of dependency/reliance on AAS). Maybe the trick is just planning/moderation? Cycles aren't really that expensive, even done right with all the ancillary meds. Maybe stick to 1-2 cycles/year if you feel you need it, less or none at all if you don't. I think the real issue you're dealing with here is whether or not you feel satisfied enough with your gains at the end of your cycle to stay off AAS, and if you keep your gains, of course. I'd look more into how to keep your gains off of AAS than anything.

This is very true..i do feel this way..and scared to come off after hearing how hard it is. But coming of 250/wk ive been told isn't as bad or at least an easier transition than being on higher doses. But yes, the lack of gains on my first cycle has me wanting to push this to a 20weeker
 
This is very true..i do feel this way..and scared to come off after hearing how hard it is. But coming of 250/wk ive been told isn't as bad or at least an easier transition than being on higher doses. But yes, the lack of gains on my first cycle has me wanting to push this to a 20weeker

Right. I would think that my alter ego is doing a 16 week cycle... w/ a test e 2-2.4 times as high as yours (500-600 mg/week). Not trying to become the next goodyear blimp, so watching the cals, doing cardio, and making very conservative gains (while using aromasin to combat sides like body fat, water weight, etc.). At week 4 there might be an add on of eq @ 500 mg/week, seeing as how the test e has not given my alter ego any sides whatsoever and is being very well tolerated (pulse 45 bpm, bp 130/60-70 [has always been this way], no gyno, no acne, no water weight, no aggression, no hair loss, etc etc etc). The ego doesn't even know he's on test e most of the time, he feels the same. The only thing that has changed for him is a 3 pound body weight increase and some new lifting PRs, looking more tan and "healthy," and some added libido. Maybe you might want to consider reading the thread in the peptides forum about cjc-1295 and ghrp-6 and upping your dose.
 
I think if this is your first time and you did such a small amount, Ali..

This is very true..i do feel this way..and scared to come off after hearing how hard it is. But coming of 250/wk ive been told isn't as bad or at least an easier transition than being on higher doses. But yes, the lack of gains on my first cycle has me wanting to push this to a 20weeker

That it won't be so bad for you. My first cycle I didn't know about all about drugs to take after the cycle was over. My first one was at 22...I took 1 cc a week of deca...moved it up to 1 and 1/2 and started at two dbol a day and went up to 4 and then back down. I gained 22lbs and only lost five pounds. I also got leaner.

I didn't feel as strong and my weights went down a little..but I didn't lose my sex drive or anything like that. I also had no clue that people took other substances to kick the system back in line.

I think you worry too much. I personally would do the pct stuff....and have some clen on hand and take some creatine if you aren't already. Who knows...you might be able to maintain everything. The main thing I hated was the loss of muscle hardness that I had when I used [ a long time ago ] to supplement hormones. ;)
 
That it won't be so bad for you. My first cycle I didn't know about all about drugs to take after the cycle was over. My first one was at 22...I took 1 cc a week of deca...moved it up to 1 and 1/2 and started at two dbol a day and went up to 4 and then back down. I gained 22lbs and only lost five pounds. I also got leaner.

I didn't feel as strong and my weights went down a little..but I didn't lose my sex drive or anything like that. I also had no clue that people took other substances to kick the system back in line.

I think you worry too much. I personally would do the pct stuff....and have some clen on hand and take some creatine if you aren't already. Who knows...you might be able to maintain everything. The main thing I hated was the loss of muscle hardness that I had when I used [ a long time ago ] to supplement hormones. ;)


Thanks for the reply JT. I am thinking i will just finish out the test E that i have left which is a good 9-10 weeks worth, and then come off. That would put me at 18-20 weeks being ON and bust my ass to keep my gains as much as possible and realize its a journey and not a 10week transformation challenge lol...i will keep striving to reach my goals
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Yea , i definetly had unrealistic expectations for what gear would do, and given i am only taking a low test dose, I had heard years of pepole talk about how crazy the gains are. One thing i noticed more than anything is that it gives you a boost to get through a plauteua but by no means does it do the work for you...you have to bust your ass just as hard if not harder.

I gained a new respect for when i see guys that are jacked to the hilt and people say its the gear...sure the gear made that possible, however the hard work behind it that individual put in it.

My gains have been very mild and literally nobody could even guess i'm taking AAS..mainly becuase i didn't put on that 20-30 pounds and i needed to cut bodyfat...and you're correct i'm not really too happy with the results so far...since i expected more it kind of hard to end the cycle when I feel like I should of recieved more out of this, especially considering its my FIRST one..you hear so many people talk about first cycle gains...i guess its differnet for everyone. Maybe 250mg/wk just isn't enough for me...i know most said go low and conservative but maybe it's not gonna yeild to much gains for me and i needed more.

I have to put an ending date to this cycle and i'll think about that tonight, but another thing that worries me is not only going back to training natural and loosing gains but the sides of coming off. I hear about the zero sex drive , pepole loosing hair during pct...the whole process is just scary lol

I wish i would of gained 20lbs lean muscle and leaned up to 7% bodyfat...i'd be happy then LOL :) JK

Dude.......not to sound like an a-hole. You are only running 250 mg of test per week and you are worried about 0 sex drive after you come of??? You should have no probs. coming off this cycle and for that matter not need much in the form of pct. Not that pct is not important.....it def. has its place when you are running a more heavy cycle.

I know people have said this before but aas are not magic. If you plan on gaining anywhere near 20 lbs on a cycle w/o going up a pant size there is sooooooooooo much more to it than 250 of test per week and some training. If it enhanced your training awesome! I would say if you kept the training intensity up you will not lose much. With that said if you want to take it to the next level, you need to do some research on what your training and diet should look like then factor in a more serious cycle........you need to eat to grow!!!!!!!!!!

Just my 0.02$
 
I'm considering upping the dose, however scared of sides.. mainly hair loss. I had some intial shedding when i first started this cycle but it seems to have stopped. I'm considering upping it to 400-500mg/wk. If one can tolerate 250mg do you think going up will yeild the same results or is it a crap shot??


Any other compounds anyone can suggust that won't affect hair that will be nice to add to my Test?
 
Dude.......not to sound like an a-hole. You are only running 250 mg of test per week and you are worried about 0 sex drive after you come of??? You should have no probs. coming off this cycle and for that matter need much in the form of pct. Not that pct is not important.....it def. has its place when you are running a more heavy cycle.

I know people have said this before but aas are not magic. If you plan on gaining anywhere near 20 lbs on a cycle w/o going up a pant size there is sooooooooooo much more to it than 250 of test per week and some training. If it enhanced your training awesome! I would say if you kept the training intensity up you will not lose much. With that said if you want to take it to the next level, you need to do some research on what your training and diet should look like then factor in a more serious cycle........you need to eat to grow!!!!!!!!!!

Just my 0.02$


I appreciate the post bro. You are right, i am on a low dose and this being my first cycle i just wanted to test the waters and see how i reacted. I never expected to gain 20lbs of muscle...honestly i'm using this more as an aid to help me lean down while holding the muscle i have and hopefully gain a few pounds...which i seem to have done. This being my first cycle and me using it to lean down is one of the reasons I''m not seeing such a huge increase on the scale....my macros are set to loose fat..so the calories aren't really there to gain 20-30lbs..and last thing i want is to go up a pant size :)

But you are right, after this experience i realize that a 250mg dose is a great boost in the gym and definetly helps get through a platuae but by no means is it going to yeild crazy gains that will turn heads...i never expected that.

I feel good, gained a solid 8-10lbs give or take...and my sex drive is through the roof.

Overall good expereince, but for anyone out there that thinks AAS will make weak body parts your stroner ones and change your physque over night...it won't...and it really does take some hard ass work and PATIENCE..to build that physique.
 
Dude its all good.....great that you realize aas are not "magic". As long as you are a happy and stay safe I dont care how much you do! Remember.....when you look at all those pics in the magazine....the only one that matters is the one thats in your head. Be realistic, be patient, and be safe!:D
 
I'm considering upping the dose, however scared of sides.. mainly hair loss. I had some intial shedding when i first started this cycle but it seems to have stopped. I'm considering upping it to 400-500mg/wk. If one can tolerate 250mg do you think going up will yeild the same results or is it a crap shot??


Any other compounds anyone can suggust that won't affect hair that will be nice to add to my Test?

If your test is 250mg/ml, start out by upping it to 1.5ml's, that would be 375mg/week. Run that for another 4 weeks and feel that out.
 
AGREED

If your test is 250mg/ml, start out by upping it to 1.5ml's, that would be 375mg/week. Run that for another 4 weeks and feel that out.

and maybe add a little deca or eq to it.
 
and maybe add a little deca or eq to it.

Negative on the extra compounds, he should just stick it out for the rest of the 8-10 weeks with the extra test. Then on your next cycle, you know you can handle the extra test and then you can add in a 2nd injectable. On your 2nd cycle though, be sure to run some Aromasin to prevent estrogen from getting too high. You may not feel nothing now, but you may very well be laying down the groundwork for Estrogen to give you some trouble for later cycles, so be sure youre careful with that. If you do infact run a 2nd cycle, go with EQ and not Deca, Deca has much more possible occurrence of side effects and plus its a 19-nor which can give you prolactin issues, and thats a whole nother' bitch to deal with.
 
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Hopefully that title will get some people to view this thread :) Basically i'm curious to know if there is anyone out there that has done 1 cycle and went back to training natural for good?

I'm on my 9th week of my first cycle and I haven't set an official length for this cycle, however i have been really concerned with going back to training natural. I am afraid to loose my results and my biggest concern is realizing that once i get off, i will have to continue use to get results.

I went a good 8 years of training natural, I'm in my late 20's now and felt i had paid my dues so i took the plunge and so far things are good, but do has anyone done this to get results and just continued on and kept some of their results, or over time do you loose it all and go back to how you looked before you started AAS?

I have no plans to compete and never will...that's not my interest, however i can see this being a crutch to look a specific way.

Just curious to some of your guys thoughts...thanks in advance

i know of one guy who had one cycle of deca and anabols then just stopped. he said he got great gains from it and so on but he looked awesome before.

when he did comparison photos after, he said he missed the look he had before and now he felt he was more bulbous and not so symmetrical.

I explained the whole water retention thing to him but he said he's going back to natural and as far as i know he's been clean the last 6 years. still looks amazing and trains hard and heavy.

some people just dont have the same end goals and people that havent thought through their real reasons for using them shouldnt do it.

but all in all, if you LOVE training and you are in it for the long haul and how it makes you feel, then you wont worry about going natural again. if you're only in it to get big quick then split, then you'll find it hard.
 

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