cut and paste of part of a much longer thread:
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Originally Posted by MrCyp
So are you saying I should also start slow and ramp up with the Ghrp6 as well as the GH. For example if I plan to do 8weeks
2weeks 10iu's gh 3x per wee
2weeks 15i's
2weeks 20iu's
2weeks 25iu's?
123cctv
Yes, this is partly what I mean. But as I've tried to point out using myself and even Hawkmoon as examples, I don't think you'll *see* any notable benefits past 1 month 1/2 unless you continue to really ramp up the dosages. 20IU to 25IU is not ramping it up. At minimum, from 20IU you should bump to 30, if not 35 to 40. Of course, this is where it becomes completely impracticable to sustain for many reasons. Right now (my last dose yesterday) was 34IU and as far as I can tell, I believe I'm done (for now). I may try one more ridiculous dose just to see what I can bleed out of this tomorrow, but none the less, my body appears to have peaked.
Again, confusion and even better, shock work best when mega-dosing. I've been calling it, "shock and awe" -- shock your body and you'll be in awe at the results.
Now without getting into a lengthy reply -- suffice it to say large doses cause the body to react and ADAPT faster than it would on small doses. For instance, 4IU ED could be ran for numerous months before pattern burn (adaptation) occurs. However, 10IU ED would cause desensitization to occur in only a month or so. Now bump those doses up to 15 or 20IU -- seems to only be beneficial for a week or so. All in all, while the body can handle dosages this high, it was never intended to and makes the appropriate adjustments if it's forced to, i.e. w/adaptation and desensitization.
So here's where I'm going with this - when you ramp up dosages, attempt to keep the numbers doubling or there about. Also, starting at a lower IU buys you more time on the cycle! Start at a high IU, and you're automatically shortening the effectiveness of your run.
So, you were doing 4IU ED? Then start dosing no higher than 8IU.
8IU (2 weeks)
15IU (2 weeks)
25IU (2 weeks)
Any increase above 25IU will be short lived. Further, I know you want to do a longer run, but I'm stating -- lower dosing offers a longer effective run and higher dosing causes the body to react/adapt faster yielding a shorter effective run. Case in point, even your last week at 25IU may see no results as compared to its first week. Thus, in all actuality, it would be better to do one week only @25IU and another final week of @35IU, but only dosed 2X. With this, you would still use the same IU as before (actually 5IU less), but obtain and sustain results! In fact, check out this proposed illustration:
8IU (3 weeks)
15IU (2 weeks)
25IU (1 week)
35IU (1 week 2x)
This gives you an effective 7 weeks.
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Originally Posted by MaTrlx
Have any ideas about IFBB pro's rHGH protocol 123? Do they bother(or actually know) to prevent adaptation to rHGH, considering they should be running a high dose of it. (as i assume)...
123cctv
OK, now comes the frustration. This is all to classic IMO. Mega dosing w/IFBB'ers has become a matter of necessity. However NOT because it's an appropriate method, instead because they're a victim of their own doing!
It's sad, but I'm not surprised at the ignorance (not stupidity) of many regarding these issues. For instance, is anyone on this board, other than Dat or myself, discussing Desensitization or Adaptation? If so, I personally haven't seen it. I can remember talking w/Dat briefly about desensitization in PM's about 6 months ago re: GHRP-6. We talked a little about "rotation", but not much more. None the less, desensitization was nothing new to him (then), yet it seems it's new to people here (now) on these boards?!?
Dat has more studies under his belt than I do, but I also remember seeing him mention insulin resistance w/prolonged usage of synthetic GH and was just another reason why GH secretagogues held additional appeal. Now I am unsure which studies he referred to, none the less, I remember years ago this was the main concern during studies, i.e. insulin resistance w/prolonged use!
So back to the question -- "Do they bother (or actually know) to prevent adaptation to rHGH" Good question! As I said, who's talking about adaptation? Who's talking about "insulin resistance w/prolonged use??" My thoughts are (for some), as an example: Joe told Gus to use GH because it's what all the Pro's use! Gus liked the idea because not only is that true (all the pro's do use it) but he noted it had the word, "Growth" in it!!
Then there's other types who know SOME of the science behind it. Take this thread for example:
Am I Not Using GH/Slin Properly?
It received 700 VIEWS!
The man (Brother Iron) is doing everything right except for ONE thing. If he were to eliminate that one thing anyone partially human would have gained based on that regimen and WO schedule alone. But not him?!? Of course, everyone had a different opinion. Mine was - STOP the 12IU ED! His reply was from Dat's thread to which he extrapolated from it what he wanted. He replied, "Can you explain why please? Based off of DATs guide 12 IU allows for year round use but 16+ you need time off?"
Now I don't know what post he's referring to, but it's my guess Dat wasn't referring to rhGH, yet rather GH releasers/secretagogues. Further, even IF Dat was referring to rhGH, then the man needs to consider other posts that Dat has written which address other matters, such as "prolonged usage" which I know I've seen Dat's comment about (somewhere). The idea here is to combine one post with another and so on and in the end, you'll have a book with an overview of the entire subject. No matter, Brother Iron has the fix - bump to 40IU ED. Ugh!! Diabetes - here he comes!
So Gus uses GH for a while, he's told to dose as high as sides permit him to. Months later he plateau's not understanding why?? Joe tells Gus, you need to use more GH! So Gus does -- just as everyone else does. Well it works for a while and then nothing....so more GH? Why not! It again works for a while and then another plateau. By now, GH not only becomes very expensive, but requires LARGE amounts for him to grow. The man's done it to himself, never really understanding what's happened. The man's body is in the area of desensitization and virtually dose dependant for any growth whatsoever. GH antibodies, in more than sufficient numbers are swimming around waiting for the next supposed mass intrusion. Unless the man makes some changes, mega dosing is the only way he'll ever grow dosing GH.
And like others who plateau, their off to try to find the next best thing they can implement into their regimen. Problem is, WHY DOESN'T ANYONE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY THEY'VE PEAKED?? Did the GH go bad? Doubtful. Did they change up their diet? WO schedule? Probably not! If nothings changed, then what the hell has??? I too peaked and couldn't figure out what was going on! I even began to experience a reversal. Now figure this -- if I KNEW much of what I'm trying to convey here and was still stumped then, is it too far fetched to believe others (who probably don't know ALL they should) are stumped as well, not knowing proper methods to counter these issues?
Again, with the exception of Dat, I'm the only guy here saying, with continued usage you MUST:
Mix it up.
Change up - Rotation (different from mix it up).
Confuse the body.
Shock is necessary w/Mega dosing.
Clear and Prime.
The people who follow the above, will grow far faster than those who don't!
In fact, if I had my way and readers here had numerous substances for growth, I'd personally say, change up your regimen entirely every 3 weeks or somethnig to this effect! That means, if you use GH releasers/secretagogues, use them for approx 3 weeks. Then change up to something else, say rhGH for approx 3 weeks. Then try mixing them up together for 3 weeks. If you can, include IGF-1, MGF, Test and even Slin (if you're OK and careful w/it) in the mix or used entirely on an OFF week. MIX IT UP, CHANGE UP and CONFUSE! Dose low at the beginning w/an increase towards the end, but NOT mega dosing! Hopeully you get the idea - this would keep your body guessing and freshly primed!
I could give stories, but this has already been too long and I HATE writing! I'm out to help.
Remember one thing - newly introduced substances yield the best results at the beginning of any administration. That's because the body is empty and primed, w/no adaptation set in (yet). Changing up every 3 weeks allows for clearing and priming from one substance to another, i.e. Rotation!
Bottom line - BB'ers do it to themselves. Mega Dosing is not *required* for substantial growth unless they've desensitized themselves enough that it is.
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