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Dr. Siff on Hypertrophy

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Quoted from: Siff, MC "Facts and Fallacies of Fitness" (2000, Ch 12).
Dr Mel C Siff


There are numerous theories and beliefs about what the best formula is to
foolow for producing greatest muscle hypertrophy. One such concept is
that every exercise must maintain a prolonged muscle tension time for at
least 40 seconds or so if one wishes to produce maximal hypertrophy.

Others have commented that ìAll the big bodybuilders who I trained with did
their reps pretty fast, which makes me seriously question the Time Under
Tension theory, though I am sure there are exceptions, as there always are
to each rule. However, it's not the biggest guys I see who are counting
the seconds on the way up or down.î

Others have commented to me that ìPeople with extreme genetics who are
using huge amounts of drugs will probably get big no matter what kind of
weight training and rep speed they're doing. What's more important is
finding out how much rep speed matters for a natural bodybuilder with
average genetics.î

Now, what we are all trying to identify here are the most important factors
in stimulating muscle hypertrophy, or we should rather say,
musculo-collagenous hypertrophy, since training affects the entire muscle
complex, not just the muscles. Physical loading also stimulates bone
hypertrophy, especially at the sites of maximal stress concentration, but
that is of little consequence to the bodybuilder because bone size and
definition are not seen by spectators, though this phenomenon may assist us
later in answering some other questions about muscle growth. An
Hypertrophy Formula has to be based on many well-known observations on
muscle physiology and mechanics. Some of these observations are:

1. The fundamental stimulus to increase in all strength and tissue
hypertrophy quite simply is physical loading.

2. The physical loading must not exceed the mechanical strength of the
tissues involved.

3. Increase in strength and hypertrophy is not instantaneous, but occurs
predominantly during a certain recovery period after loading

4. All tissues do not hypertrophy or strengthen at the same rate or to
the same degree

5. Strength and hypertrophy is minimal unless a certain minimal
threshold load is imposed

6. The minimal threshold is not fixed, but increases with level of
adaptation, which ensures that rate of progress slows down or ceases

7. The concept of tension time per se is meaningless, since loading even
for very prolonged periods may have no effects of strength and hypertrophy
if the tension does not exceed this minimum threshold

8. The effects of tension on tissue depend not only on the magnitude or
duration of the tension, but the way in which the tension is produced or
maintained. For example, one can use high or low Rates of Tension
Development, and one can increase tension by use of a large, slowly
accelerated load or a smaller, rapidly accelerated load (in accordance with
Newton II: Force = Mass x Acceleration)

9. Long periods of muscle 'time under tension' as imposed by cyclical
activities such as endurance running, cycling and swimming are not known
generally to produce significant increases in strength or hypertophy.

10. Continued increase in strength and hypertrophy is a consequence of
progressive incremental increase in loading (principle of progressive
overload)

11. Changes in strength and hypertrophy are not linear or continuous.
For example, a 10% increase in load does not necessarily produce a 10%
increase in strength. Some changes may be delayed or marked at certain
stages.

12. Muscles rarely are able to produce 100% of their maximum potential,
due to a variety of reasons such as protective inhibition by certain
reflexes.

13. Increase in strength and hypertrophy may or may not be associated with
some form of fatigue

14. It is difficult to distinguish between the limitations imposed by
short-term fatigue and those imposed by reflex inhibition of maximal force
production

15. Fatigue is not a single discrete factor, but a multi-faceted process
involving phenomena such as central and peripheral fatigue, slow and fast
fatigue, and short-term and long-term fatigue.

16. Muscle tension is not constant during any movement, but varies between
zero and a certain maximum as joint angles change

17. Muscle tension is not produced under the same conditions throughout
any movement, but changes between concentric, eccentric and isometric modes
of action

18. Muscles comprise smaller groups of fibres which exhibit different
rates of fatigue, fatigue-resistance and ability to generate force (e.g.
so-called slow and fast twitch fibres)

19. All muscle tension and patterns of muscle recruitment are a
consequence of nervous activity, so that increase in strength and
hypertrophy ultimately are the result of specific patterns of nervous
excitation.

20. Increase in strength is not necessarily associated with increase in
hypertrophy or vice versa

21. Strength and hypertrophy diminish if physical loading is not imposed
regularly at certain intervals

22. Strength and hypertrophy increase may be stimulated by active muscle
contraction, passive stretching, vibrational oscillation or external
electrical stimulation.

There are many other observations which are relevant to our quest to find
the ideal, individualised physique or strength building program, but these
should suffice to show that a 'Time Under Tension' formula or any other
highly prescriptive rule is oversimplistic in satisfying many of the above
observations.

When my colleague stated that "People with extreme genetics who are using
huge amounts of drugs will probably get big no matter what kind of weight
training and rep speed they're doing", he is probably far closer to the
truth than anyone who religiously propounds those Tension Time tales. One
has to remember that the marketability of a certain fitness figure or
group, according to well-established marketing principles, depends on
slogans and simply stated formulae.

The public usually feels far more comfortable with cerebrally undemanding
mantras and 'fast food' solutions than with far more accurate, more complex
methods. That is a major reason why many fitness figures write as they do
and market their catch phrases simplistically as they do - society has been
processed by the mass media to behave like that and they usually do not
want to be forced to think too deeply or to have their convenient current
beliefs questioned, because that entails a serious threat to their
psychological safety. Humankind has always been like that and they receive
what they have been processed or educated to want.
 
Can you sum all that up for me in a sentence or two? Thats too complicated for me to read all that. Put it in swimming terms if you can.
 
He's basically saying that swimming won't make you grow.
 
So is he saying that TUT is just a small factor in muscle growth, and that progressive overload is the more important factor?
 
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So is he saying that TUT is just a small factor in muscle growth, and that progressive overload is the more important factor?

hmmm...did he talk to dante haha?
 
Siff (who died a few years ago) has been researching this since most of us where kids, so odds are Dante read from him.
 
Different effects are achieved through different loads which can be achieved by adjusting the time under tension.

Very heavy loads, low TUT equals mainly CNS stimulation (strength)

Moderate loads, moderate TUT equals mainly myofibril growth (actual increase in fiber thickness)

Light load, higher TUT equals sarcoplasmic hypertophy which means increase glycogen and nutrient capacity and also musclular endurance.

Has nothing to do with Volume, HIT, or whatever flavor of the month program people are talking about. Its about load. Always has, always will and there are several methods to achieve it.

One guy swears by his program, the other swears by his. They ALL incorporate basic criteria to achieve some sort of hypertrophy so arguing which ones is the best without looking at HOW muscle grows and what stimuli exert different effects is a waste.


There is never just one muscle or one type of hypertrophy you want. You want them all to extent but focus on one area a bit more for your own personal goal.
 
sometimes i've found that when i excessively count tempo, or have my clients count it, it really screws with natural breathing patterns. i think this causes them to use a load that is too light for them, and also may cause premature failure.

also it can screw with the natural stretch reflex mechanisms.

not that it is a bad technique-- it just should not be used on everything.
 
Different effects are achieved through different loads which can be achieved by adjusting the time under tension.

Very heavy loads, low TUT equals mainly CNS stimulation (strength)

Moderate loads, moderate TUT equals mainly myofibril growth (actual increase in fiber thickness)

Light load, higher TUT equals sarcoplasmic hypertophy which means increase glycogen and nutrient capacity and also musclular endurance.

Has nothing to do with Volume, HIT, or whatever flavor of the month program people are talking about. Its about load. Always has, always will and there are several methods to achieve it.

One guy swears by his program, the other swears by his. They ALL incorporate basic criteria to achieve some sort of hypertrophy so arguing which ones is the best without looking at HOW muscle grows and what stimuli exert different effects is a waste.


There is never just one muscle or one type of hypertrophy you want. You want them all to extent but focus on one area a bit more for your own personal goal.

I dont believe anyone was advocating training styles here, just the fact that progression is key.
 
If this thread is not about training styles and the best way to achieve hypertrophy which I believe is a byproduct of ones training style, then I play shortstop for the Mets.:confused:
 
oh pretty please please please...................

post the pics of the girl cyclists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If this thread is not about training styles and the best way to achieve hypertrophy which I believe is a byproduct of ones training style, then I play shortstop for the Mets.:confused:

When I refer to you talking about training styles, im talking about when you pointed out the HIT, volume, etc. training styles. I'll agree TUT and progressive overload are variations that some would refer to as a training style, but thats not exactly what I was getting at.
 
what drives me nuts is when they say things such as "swimming and cycling have long duration tension times yet dont produce much hypertrophy" to try and down play time under tension.. those activities or movments are not taken to failure or have the intensity to produce much hypertrophy.. although he is right, it is a piss poor example of time under tension in regards to hypertrophy..
the example that also drives me nuts (although not in this acticle) is those who other sports as examples of being to train everyday to down play overtraining... many will say that swimmers train everyday and are not overtarined ec t ect.. yet they fail to realize is the intensity differences.. swimmers are not taking their endevor to muscular failure.. which is much more stressful than long duration and swimming laps.. i swam for most of my youth and into my teens.. i can tell ya that i never felt overtarined in my swim practices.. nothing like taking squats to failure or even barbell rows.. so the comparsion is also silly.. sorry , had to vent..
 
"the example that also drives me nuts (although not in this acticle) is those who other sports as examples of being to train everyday to down play overtraining..."


Mark Spitz was known for regularly skipping workouts. many called this lazy and undisciplined, but he was probably just ahead of the game in knowing when to back off.

Dara Torres is also swimming her best times on less training.

i really think most athletes are overtraining.
 
what drives me nuts is when they say things such as "swimming and cycling have long duration tension times yet dont produce much hypertrophy" to try and down play time under tension.. those activities or movments are not taken to failure or have the intensity to produce much hypertrophy.. although he is right, it is a piss poor example of time under tension in regards to hypertrophy..
the example that also drives me nuts (although not in this acticle) is those who other sports as examples of being to train everyday to down play overtraining... many will say that swimmers train everyday and are not overtarined ec t ect.. yet they fail to realize is the intensity differences.. swimmers are not taking their endevor to muscular failure.. which is much more stressful than long duration and swimming laps.. i swam for most of my youth and into my teens.. i can tell ya that i never felt overtarined in my swim practices.. nothing like taking squats to failure or even barbell rows.. so the comparsion is also silly.. sorry , had to vent..
Holy shit LATS, you swam? I am picturing a speedo and a mullet to die for so I am turning my brain off for the moment.:confused:
 
brutha, i was so cool, my mullet would not even change shape when i hit the water... it would just glisten more..:cool:
 
Siff (who died a few years ago) has been researching this since most of us where kids, so odds are Dante read from him.

thanks man, glad you had the balls to say it:rolleyes:

i personally think TUT is just another tool we are able to use. i use it for various reasons, mainly because most people have never done it. it also gives me more control and can teach proper form on things like squats. its easy to change as well, instead of doing 4 sets of 8 with a 5 second eccentric i can do 4 sets of 8 with a 3 second eccentric. dont be too narrow minded here guys...there are a lot of good things out there, and a lot of shitty ones. a quote by mike boyle i like is "dont only read what you believe, and dont believe everything you read".
 
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