Feeling sick during training....intra?

[ryanbCXG]

I disagree , respectfully. When we eat a pre meal and don't have intra nutrition, we are using that pre meal as energy. When we do use the intra we are providing the muscle with a constant flow of nutrients , by using almost instantly digesting nutrients.

When I use intra I train harder and I get zero soreness. When I don't use it I don't recover nearly as well. So that tells me something is working. I'm just going with the science of glut- 4 translocation and the results I see in myself.

I'm by no means pushing it on anyone. In fact don't use it, so I can have an advantage lol

Im all about happy discussions. So where did the preworkout meal go then? It is digested and is now technically the same as the easily digestible meal you take in intra. And the that intra isnt activating GLUT4 that is exercise. Even mild exercise can get some GLUT4 induced and insulin will induce it as well. The pre workout meal or meals can use both of the mechanisms.

 

[Jeremy24]

Im all about happy discussions. So where did the preworkout meal go then? It is digested and is now technically the same as the easily digestible meal you take in intra. And the that intra isnt activating GLUT4 that is exercise. Even mild exercise can get some GLUT4 induced and insulin will induce it as well. The pre workout meal or meals can use both of the mechanisms.

I agree the pre meal is digested and still there , I feel the intra is there as an aid and also covers the post window. Another thing is I don't think intra is needed for all training methods. I feel it's best utilized for high volume routines. On my shorter days like arms I'll decrease the amount of intra but they still would be considered volume days. When I train DC for periods of time my intra is greatly decreased. High volume legs days could be 100-125 hbcd where as a DC leg days would be half that amount or less!!

Sometimes besides science the only way I can describe things to people is just give it a run for an honest months worth of workouts. Start low and work ur way up till ur soreness is greatly reduced

 

[ryanbCXG]

I agree the pre meal is digested and still there , I feel the intra is there as an aid and also covers the post window. Another thing is I don't think intra is needed for all training methods. I feel it's best utilized for high volume routines. On my shorter days like arms I'll decrease the amount of intra but they still would be considered volume days. When I train DC for periods of time my intra is greatly decreased. High volume legs days could be 100-125 hbcd where as a DC leg days would be half that amount or less!!

Sometimes besides science the only way I can describe things to people is just give it a run for an honest months worth of workouts. Start low and work ur way up till ur soreness is greatly reduced

That last part is what all of this all about when it comes to macros, cals, volume frequency ect ect ect. Try it everybody is different. Me i like no meals and no carbs and train better longer and harder with more focus. That with meals or intra or both.

 

[Jeremy24]

That last part is what all of this all about when it comes to macros, cals, volume frequency ect ect ect. Try it everybody is different. Me i like no meals and no carbs and train better longer and harder with more focus. That with meals or intra or both.

Agree 100 percent , everyone is diffrent. Palumbo was a giant and hated intra workout nutrition. For me i love it right now but in a year who knows. I know right now I don't train or use things i used when I started so this all could be diffrent next off season hahaha

 

[swolen22]

instead of making complicated, why not just drink Gatorade like every other pro athlete in the world does while they are performing? guys with 20mil a year contracts seem to think Gaotrade is fine for them when playing in front of the whole world, so its fine for me too...add some bcaas if you want...never felt anything like sick stomach or any of that stuff... the big gatorades are 2 for $3 and have ~55g of carbs plus electrolytes...



and I'm NOT saying the latest intra ingredients like the pepto pro, cyclic dextrin stuff isn't good... but if still having issues, id just keep it simple...

Gatorade is liquid candy. I can't justify drinking it.

 

[GetSuperBig]

I'm using pepto pro and hbcd

20g and 60g respectively

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[Knight9]

I'm using pepto pro and hbcd

20g and 60g respectively

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Sounds like you did your homework. IMO, it can't get better than that as far as your protein and your carb sources.

 

[GetSuperBig]

Thanks. No idea why I'm feeling why I am either

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[Knight9]

Thanks. No idea why I'm feeling why I am either

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Shit I didn't realize you were the OP. Do you have it in about 1500ml of water and sipping it (evenly) throughout workout? What does your pre workout meal look like and when is it?

 

[tripletotal]

I'm glad we could all get into a pissing match about intra workouts. Do whatever you want. Who cares. It's your workout.

The real question is this: did we help the OP solve his problem?

 

[sammy555]

I disagree , respectfully. When we eat a pre meal and don't have intra nutrition, we are using that pre meal as energy. When we do use the intra we are providing the muscle with a constant flow of nutrients , by using almost instantly digesting nutrients.

When I use intra I train harder and I get zero soreness. When I don't use it I don't recover nearly as well. So that tells me something is working. I'm just going with the science of glut- 4 translocation and the results I see in myself.

I'm by no means pushing it on anyone. In fact don't use it, so I can have an advantage lol

Although intra workout and pre workout cans are absolutely not for me and I'll never do that route again I will agree with this. Recovery is absolutely unreal. If I was more of a volume guy and trained 5 times plus a week( which my schedule and commitments would never allow anyway) I would go this route for sure. As I day intra is not for me. Doesn't mean I'm against the idea at all. I just think like most things there isn't a one solution fits all.

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[Jeremy24]

Although intra workout and pre workout cans are absolutely not for me and I'll never do that route again I will agree with this. Recovery is absolutely unreal. If I was more of a volume guy and trained 5 times plus a week( which my schedule and commitments would never allow anyway) I would go this route for sure. As I day intra is not for me. Doesn't mean I'm against the idea at all. I just think like most things there isn't a one solution fits all.

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Def not a one fits all for any aspect of life . Hell there are plenty of succesful guys who don't use it

 

[hilly2008]

Def not a one fits all for any aspect of life . Hell there are plenty of succesful guys who don't use it

It would be very interesting to see how many top top guys did use them if they lost there sponsors

 

[GetSuperBig]

Pmd you knight

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[GetSuperBig]

Sounds like you did your homework. IMO, it can't get better than that as far as your protein and your carb sources.

Did you get my pm buddy?

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[AshopRep]

Although intra workout and pre workout cans are absolutely not for me and I'll never do that route again I will agree with this. Recovery is absolutely unreal. If I was more of a volume guy and trained 5 times plus a week( which my schedule and commitments would never allow anyway) I would go this route for sure. As I day intra is not for me. Doesn't mean I'm against the idea at all. I just think like most things there isn't a one solution fits all.

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When I do intra workout sugar and protein, I find that I rarely get sore.

 

[NY Muscle]

When I do intra workout sugar and protein, I find that I rarely get sore.

I personally feel intra is useful (if it even is useful) for ecto or ecto-meso body types. I still can't come to terms with having both a pre workout and an intra...it's one or the other. Then of course there is post workout. So in theory that's 3 different shakes/meals you are ingesting in a 2-3 hour period.

To be quite honest the skinniest guys in my gym are always drinking their intra shakes and that makes total sense to me. It's all about calories at that point. I don't think this intra protocol is the best for an endomorph.

I also get my absolute best workouts when I'm on low carbs so hormonally or something to do with insulin must be at play here never mind the fact there are zero stomach issues or burping the last meal up.

Currently I switched from a 10 week ckd and dropped some nice fat weight and now I'm on high protein and moderate fat and low carbs with most of my carbs pre and post workout in the form of HBCD's and the workouts are awesome.

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[kinglewy]

I personally feel intra is useful (if it even is useful) for ecto or ecto-meso body types. I still can't come to terms with having both a pre workout and an intra...it's one or the other. Then of course there is post workout. So in theory that's 3 different shakes/meals you are ingesting in a 2-3 hour period.

To be quite honest the skinniest guys in my gym are always drinking their intra shakes and that makes total sense to me. It's all about calories at that point. I don't think this intra protocol is the best for an endomorph.

I also get my absolute best workouts when I'm on low carbs so hormonally or something to do with insulin must be at play here never mind the fact there are zero stomach issues or burping the last meal up.

Currently I switched from a 10 week ckd and dropped some nice fat weight and now I'm on high protein and moderate fat and low carbs with most of my carbs pre and post workout in the form of HBCD's and the workouts are awesome.

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Hey NYMuscle, do you feel an endo could utilize an intra workout protocol involving insulin pre-workout and not gain any fat while still making muscular gains? Maybe by going zero carb all day except for when insulin is active?

I am an endo and gain fat easily. I have tried a few different ways of going about it but always gain fat with the muscle. The trick I guess may be in figuring out the exact number of carbs needed in relation to the amount of insulin but I have yet to figure it out exactly.

 

[NY Muscle]

Hey NYMuscle, do you feel an endo could utilize an intra workout protocol involving insulin pre-workout and not gain any fat while still making muscular gains? Maybe by going zero carb all day except for when insulin is active?

I am an endo and gain fat easily. I have tried a few different ways of going about it but always gain fat with the muscle. The trick I guess may be in figuring out the exact number of carbs needed in relation to the amount of insulin but I have yet to figure it out exactly.

Personally I think endos like me and you should avoid insulin unless you aren't as anal as me wanting to be hard and lean all the time. I know plenty of endos on slin but they also don't care much about abs or belly size.

I did slin years ago but with Humalog and only to enter ketosis faster after the weekend carb up. Now that my body is so perfect at entering ketosis I never touch insulin. I entered ketosis in 2 days after not being on a ckd in 8 years and I hardly leave ketosis even during the carb up...it's insane.

I always wanted to dabble again and use slin around workouts and get the true anabolic effects but unless someone can tell me the exact timing and protocol I should follow for my exact body type and metabolism I don't think I will ever do it.

But yes to answer your question you could probably do well if your diet and slin protocol is on point and flawless.

Many years ago I remember some dude who's name I can't recall did slin but ate nothing but protein shakes and a lot of them. He wrote an article about it and supposedly gained a lot of lean mass and no fat. But yeah I'm sure you can do it on a solid diet not all protein like that crazy bastard did



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[homonunculus]

I'm gonna have to stop my intra workout shake to see if that solves my issues

Feel sick towards end of session and all the way home and for a good hour after.

Sneeze all the time after I train....every time. By the time I've left gym and gone home I do a massive sneeze....can't just be a coincidence can it..

I've used them for ages and sometimes I'm fine but it's like 80% off the time now it's happening.

Sick of it tbh...I can't enjoy a training session cos I feel crappy

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Thanks. No idea why I'm feeling why I am either

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GSB,

Well, I think the discussion of peri-workout recovery supplementation has side-tracked your issue here.

You've been using the same intra / peri- for a while (Peptopro and HBCD's).

You've not said (I don't think) what you mean more exactly about feeling "sick."

Are you nauseated, feverish, dizzy?...

You DID say you're sneezing a lot....

Here are some thoughts for you:

-You might be developing a food intolerance if you've been using the same exact shake for so long. You might simply try using a different source of hydrolyzed casino and HBCD's.

-Per the above, a new FLAVOR might be helpful - if the flavoring is the issue.

-You're also changing a few things when you're training:

Environment: Could be something in the gym, like a cleaning solution they've switched to. (I'm guessing you're not getting a rash?...)

You're training (obviously) and thus increasing ventilation and exposure of your lungs to whatever is in the air there. IT could be that you've got some allergies that are worsened by the greater exposure b/c of the ventilation.

Anything else in the gym, like water, chalk you're using, etc.

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In addition to stopping the intra-, I might also (ONE at a time:

-Try another gym (just get a day pass)
-Bring your own water. (Your water source for your drink could be an issue. heck even mold in your ice maker....)
-Also examine your pre-workout meal, too.

Time of day at the same gym could be an issue, if you're in a polluted place (rush hour) or if it's a cleaning solution thing.

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Hopefully that gives you some ideas or even the beginnings of a solution.

-Scott