All is out since over 2 months (Deca, Mast....), I used 2 weeks nothing, not even Test ( I know a short period) but I think my Test levels already dropped distinctly!
OK I'll think bout to drop down to 100mg weekly, I hope other advanced guys like
@Sides ,
@GaJoe and
@Swifto will reply here too.
I'd be more than happy, I hope everbody understand my situation!
My friend, I answered your PM, but since you asked for my input here, I wanted to put the answer here so everyone can benefit from my own experiences with regaining fertility.
Like I told you before, you have to be patient and work the protocol for a few months to see any results. A sperm cycle is 2.5 months in the body. Anything you do now, you will only see the results of in late January or early February. You've only been on this program for less than a week.
I understand that you're impatient, but you can't be a program hopper and expect to see results instantly. The body doesn't work that way. Your testicles haven't had to do their job for years. It will take time to slowly wake them up and get them working again. In my case, since I had been on testosterone and other steroids for over 28 years, it took me eleven months to go from zero sperm to over 31 million per ml. In your case it will be quicker, because you have HMG from the beginning, which I did not. I only used HMG for the last 4 months of my protocol, but that was enough time for it to make a big difference, as I had reached a plateau at 7 million per ml after the first seven months on only test and HCG. Your recovery will be quicker using HMG from the beginning. But you have to be patient and give it time to work.
You can't judge success by how you feel, only by bloodwork and a semen analysis. Some guys do get a libido boost from HCG; but for many others like me, HCG only decreased my libido. Proviron, on the other hand, increased my libido, but it's up to you if you want to add Proviron or not.
If you do your bloodwork after your injection of HMG, you should see increased numbers for FSH and LH. That's how you know your HMG is real, because it is comprised of FSH and LH. But it is not your body making the FSH and LH, instead, you are getting it by injection from the HMG.
You can stay on whatever level of test you are comfortable using. As
@gotgame explained, as long as you are using HMG and HCG, you are bypassing the feedback from the pituitary, so the testosterone will not inhibit your body from producing sperm. Again, for myself, I stayed on at least 200-300mg of test all the way through the eleven months of my protocol, and my fertility still recovered to 31 million per ml, and I have my baby daughter. From personal experience, I can tell you it worked for me, and it will probably work for you as well.
You can add Clomid if you want, but I wouldn't. Many doctors who deal with fertility for men on TRT and AAS feel that Clomid does nothing for men who are on exogenous test. For me, all Clomid did was raise my SHBG to really high levels (over 120), gave me "floaters" in my eyes, and made me miserable and emotional. Too many side effects, and bloodwork showed that Clomid didn't budge my FSH or LH at all. But use it if it makes you comfortable.
It's definitely not useless to only use small amounts of HMG. Small amounts over the long term will work, but larger amounts would work better and make you recover faster. If you are going to invest your money in anything, put your money into buying more HMG or FSH, if you can.
As I can tell you from personal experience, recovering fertility can be very expensive, and both myself and my wife had fertility issues. But it all worked out for us in the end, after eleven months of patiently working the protocol. So my best advice to you is to be patient, stick to the program, and you will see the results a few months from now...but only if you keep working the protocol. Don't hop from one program to another, or you will never get anywhere. Consistency is the most important thing, both in bodybuilding and in regaining your fertility.
Be patient, keep the faith, keep working the protocol, and I look forward to hearing good news from you in a few months...if you stick to the protocol.
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