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FERTILITY RECOVERY !SOS!

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I used the board sponsor Clear Sky Pharmacy for both HMG and HCG (Bayer) and my wife is 6ish weeks pregnant after using the protocol from Mike Arnold I posted previously for 4-5ish months.
 

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I used the board sponsor Clear Sky Pharmacy for both HMG and HCG (Bayer) and my wife is 6ish weeks pregnant after using the protocol from Mike Arnold I posted previously for 4-5ish months.

I'm using another sponsor's generic HMG and HCG so not too sure if what im using is going to work.
But damn, HMG (Clear SKy's and others) is expensive as hell. Roughtly $110 a week. I'm glad to know it worked though.
Congrats brother.
 

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Im gonna give u the best advice Ever .... Clomid and Maca Root she can take maca root as well.... I was running heavy cycles very very heavy and now a 1 year old and one on the way (shes 3 n a half months preg) best of luck!

Maca root could actually be something helpful too that's worth a shot to add in a protocol to maximize fertility outcomes considering how cheap it is.

"Conclusion: Maca improved sperm production and sperm motility by mechanisms not related to LH, FSH, PRL, T and E2. "

 

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I'm using another sponsor's generic HMG and HCG so not too sure if what im using is going to work.
But damn, HMG (Clear SKy's and others) is expensive as hell. Roughtly $110 a week. I'm glad to know it worked though.
Congrats brother.

I wouldn't bother with any generic Chinese HMG. I used some in my protocol, but it was complete bunk and didn't raise my FSH levels at all.

Once I was able to get human grade pharm HMG (Ferring Menopur and IBSA Merional), then my FSH levels increased, and my total motile sperm count and quality made a huge jump forward that enabled my wife and I to have our daughter.

The way you can tell if your HMG is legit is bloodwork. Inject it, then go and get your bloodwork done for FSH, and you should see a measurable rise in FSH. Both FSH and LH have short half-lives in the body once injected, so your bloodwork needs to be done soon after injection.

Small frequent injections of HMG or FSH work better than larger infrequent injections, because of the short half-lives of FSH and LH. The only reason you see EOD or twice a week injections used in studies is because of compliance in the general population. Most normal people would never stick to a protocol that requires daily injections, so less frequent injections are used in studies. Bodybuilders, on the other hand, are used to frequent injections, which work better for HMG, as they do for many other drugs.
 

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I'm using another sponsor's generic HMG and HCG so not too sure if what im using is going to work.
But damn, HMG (Clear SKy's and others) is expensive as hell. Roughtly $110 a week. I'm glad to know it worked though.
Congrats brother.
I believe I’m using the same sponsors hmg, hcg as well. Just started 3 weeks ago. Have a script for clomid.
75iu hmg (eod)
2000iu hcg (eod)
50mg clomid (Ed)
Been trying for 2 years with just clomid and a little hcg and no aas at all so hopefully the hmg will do the trick. I’ve noticed definite increase in size of my jewels. I’ve also noticed much better erections and desire so I’m guessing it’s working. We a have a 7 years old together but didn’t start cycling until after he was born.
Ive also noticed in the last couple days that my nipples are starting to itch a bit. Do you guys think it would hurt to throw in 20mg of nolvadex every day?
 

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Did you get a script for the HMG or do you mean they a pharma from a sponsor?
prescription, I'm from UK its easier to get it here (if u know the right doc's) but my actual endo stopped prescribing me HMG now too, asshole, now I use Turkish Merional, 99% endos are idiots!
 

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Hi guys, I'm 36 (soon 37) yrs old, 177cm tall and my actual weight is bout 119kgs, low bf, I think 10-12%.

Whatever, I have a beautiful 5 year old daughter and months ago my wife and Idecided that we want a second child before we get too old, she is 32, me 36.

My cycles:

I run gear since many years, I think 11, in the beginning mostly just low dose Test. but then I started with comp's and my dosages rised and rised.
Test E., Susta, Deca, Tren, Mesterolone and Masterone were my main roids, HGH only 2 12month runs, last one ended 1 month ago (5 IUs Jintropin).

But since my daughter is born I stopped running "hard" gear but I run 900 Sust and 450 Deca all year round (!) together with 50mg Proviron, HGH as mentioned above.

Actually I run "only" 900 Sust together with 50 Proviron. (Sust: Mo / We / Fr)

Five years ago I dropped Test to 200mg Cyp weekly with 100mg Provimed and 3x250IU HCG, after 4 months my mrs. got pregnant!
I did only bloods at this time and they come back good except my LH / FSH which was below 0.2, but I was fertile. No idea why!
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I found already so many fertility protocols in the net that I'm not sure whats wrong or right.

First I checked out Dave P's. protocol , damn very hars, not sure if I need it. Fertility doc. gives mostly bad or not succesful advice, I talked already with 2, one told me I should do a Clomid only therapy, thanks - but defo no!

Next week I'll do bloods and sperm check, I'll let u guys know the result!

I prepared a few options:
  1. Running gear as I actually do, 900 Sust and 50mg Proviron and stack low dose HCG (3x250IU or 500IU week), if that is an option for how long should I try this option? (But to be honest, I don't think it will work, so much test will make fertility impossible I think)
  2. Running 200mg Cypionat and 50mg Proviron and stack low dose HCG (3x250IU or 500IU week), if that is an option for how long should I try this option? (But to be honest, I don't think it will work, so much test will make fertility impossible I think)
  3. Doing a PCT like: 1 week after last pin 1000IU HCG eod for a total of 3 weeks (One week HCG only 2 weeks with PCT). 2 weeks after last pin PCT: Clomid 100mg (after 2 weeks drop to 50 for 4 weeks more) , 40mg Tamox (after 2 weeks drop to 20 for 4 weeks more) and Aro (as needed, I think 25mg eod should be fine), Proviron needed too? Furthermore:1000mcg B12 injection, 2g Vit C daily, Vit E and D daily, Tribulus and then I hope system recovers, if not, so what? HCG low dose only? or directly option 4:
  4. Super harsh: 1000-2000 HCG eod, 75IU HMG twice week, 50 Clomid for a total of 12 weeks, but if wife isn't pregnant till end of this hardcore run, so what? (To be honest for me this option is an overkill but heard it already from few competition guys that they had succes with this option! But no idea if these guys had luck or a good recovery system!

I hope u guys can help me, I'm really scared that I stay infertile. Wife wants to get pregnat as soon as possible, why so in hurry? Cause i can run this fertility program forever!

Thanks in advance guys!
Wait a month or so with the HCG you’ll be alright
 

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I know I have to be patient but sperm count is so low thats incredible 3,4mil , bad mobility too, FSH after injection 2,5 , 24hrs later 0.7. Anything is going wrong. Merional is pharma grade and I already increased the dosage (even more than necessary)

200mg TEST C / WK
75 HMG ED
500 HCG EOD
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ADEX (2X0.25 / WEEK)

Should I reduce Test to 100mg?
Should I run less HMG?
Should I increase Proviron?
Any SERMS maybe?

Maybe I stopped Deca too late ( 4 weeks vefore I startet) this protocol!?

All endos and docs have ABSOLUTELY no clue!

Cheers!
 

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btw: I have HMG only for 3 further months left.
 

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I know I have to be patient but sperm count is so low thats incredible 3,4mil , bad mobility too, FSH after injection 2,5 , 24hrs later 0.7. Anything is going wrong. Merional is pharma grade and I already increased the dosage (even more than necessary)

200mg TEST C / WK
75 HMG ED
500 HCG EOD
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ADEX (2X0.25 / WEEK)

Should I reduce Test to 100mg?
Should I run less HMG?
Should I increase Proviron?
Any SERMS maybe?

Maybe I stopped Deca too late ( 4 weeks vefore I startet) this protocol!?

All endos and docs have ABSOLUTELY no clue!

Cheers!
I know this has been mentioned before by another member but I’ll bring it up again. Your hcg dose is too low. Every fertility protocol I have seen including the one I was given by a fertility specialist has hcg dose much higher then 500ius 3/week. Why not give it a try and up the hcg to at least 1,500ius 3/week. You have nothing to lose at this point.
 

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Hi guys, I'm 36 (soon 37) yrs old, 177cm tall and my actual weight is bout 119kgs, low bf, I think 10-12%.

Whatever, I have a beautiful 5 year old daughter and months ago my wife and Idecided that we want a second child before we get too old, she is 32, me 36.

My cycles:

I run gear since many years, I think 11, in the beginning mostly just low dose Test. but then I started with comp's and my dosages rised and rised.
Test E., Susta, Deca, Tren, Mesterolone and Masterone were my main roids, HGH only 2 12month runs, last one ended 1 month ago (5 IUs Jintropin).

But since my daughter is born I stopped running "hard" gear but I run 900 Sust and 450 Deca all year round (!) together with 50mg Proviron, HGH as mentioned above.

Actually I run "only" 900 Sust together with 50 Proviron. (Sust: Mo / We / Fr)

Five years ago I dropped Test to 200mg Cyp weekly with 100mg Provimed and 3x250IU HCG, after 4 months my mrs. got pregnant!
I did only bloods at this time and they come back good except my LH / FSH which was below 0.2, but I was fertile. No idea why!
cool.png


I found already so many fertility protocols in the net that I'm not sure whats wrong or right.

First I checked out Dave P's. protocol , damn very hars, not sure if I need it. Fertility doc. gives mostly bad or not succesful advice, I talked already with 2, one told me I should do a Clomid only therapy, thanks - but defo no!

Next week I'll do bloods and sperm check, I'll let u guys know the result!

I prepared a few options:
  1. Running gear as I actually do, 900 Sust and 50mg Proviron and stack low dose HCG (3x250IU or 500IU week), if that is an option for how long should I try this option? (But to be honest, I don't think it will work, so much test will make fertility impossible I think)
  2. Running 200mg Cypionat and 50mg Proviron and stack low dose HCG (3x250IU or 500IU week), if that is an option for how long should I try this option? (But to be honest, I don't think it will work, so much test will make fertility impossible I think)
  3. Doing a PCT like: 1 week after last pin 1000IU HCG eod for a total of 3 weeks (One week HCG only 2 weeks with PCT). 2 weeks after last pin PCT: Clomid 100mg (after 2 weeks drop to 50 for 4 weeks more) , 40mg Tamox (after 2 weeks drop to 20 for 4 weeks more) and Aro (as needed, I think 25mg eod should be fine), Proviron needed too? Furthermore:1000mcg B12 injection, 2g Vit C daily, Vit E and D daily, Tribulus and then I hope system recovers, if not, so what? HCG low dose only? or directly option 4:
  4. Super harsh: 1000-2000 HCG eod, 75IU HMG twice week, 50 Clomid for a total of 12 weeks, but if wife isn't pregnant till end of this hardcore run, so what? (To be honest for me this option is an overkill but heard it already from few competition guys that they had succes with this option! But no idea if these guys had luck or a good recovery system!

I hope u guys can help me, I'm really scared that I stay infertile. Wife wants to get pregnat as soon as possible, why so in hurry? Cause i can run this fertility program forever!

Thanks in advance guys!
I went through this but my infertility was not caused by AAS although the symptoms were identical.
MY doctor prescribed HCG 3x500 IU per week FSH 3 x per week( I don't remember the dose it was years ago) and clomid daily. I think it was 25 mg....FOR A YEAR before my sperm count went up. I have 2 amazing boys.
Hope this helps.
 

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Straight from Dave Palumbo

75mg HMG EOD
2000iu HCG EOD (opposite days of HMG)
50mgs of clomid 2x per day

take the above until pregnancy occurs and stop ALL anabolic steroids.

That was Dave’s direct quote so he recommends no steroid use but I’ve seen guys who claim they stayed on low test. But... might be wise just to come off everything.
 

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How do you guys deal with the crazy E2 levels from these high HCG doses? I remember my E2 on TRT was 50 points higher than normal on 500iu hcg x2 a week...
 

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There is no way its just the hcg dosage that's holding him back. Provimed was actually on 1000hcg 3/w THEN went down to 500. There are sooo many different protocols and people have gotten their wives preg off of all of them. It simply cannot be hcg and hcg only. The more guys I talk to about their experience, the more i realize it has to do with TIME ON this protocol.
Some guys need to run this for 2 months, others need to run it for like 7. And provimed...you started like beginning of November right? So you're right at 3 months. Just keep going. Seems like this whole process just takes time.
 

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There is no way its just the hcg dosage that's holding him back. Provimed was actually on 1000hcg 3/w THEN went down to 500. There are sooo many different protocols and people have gotten their wives preg off of all of them. It simply cannot be hcg and hcg only. The more guys I talk to about their experience, the more i realize it has to do with TIME ON this protocol.
Some guys need to run this for 2 months, others need to run it for like 7. And provimed...you started like beginning of November right? So you're right at 3 months. Just keep going. Seems like this whole process just takes time.
I had to rub one out in a cup every week for a year before I had even enough viable sperm for my surgeryI agree on the time and my doctor and the doctor I got a second opinion from said hcg alone wasn't going to do it.
 

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I had to rub one out in a cup every week for a year before I had even enough viable sperm for my surgeryI agree on the time and my doctor and the doctor I got a second opinion from said hcg alone wasn't going to do it.
Totally get it, but like you said, yours wasn't from AAS.
I know severalllll guys who ran gear for 10+ years who ran 500mg of HCG a week...not 3 times...and never ran clomid and got their wives preg. Its sooo individual. HCG might've worked for u...but that's all we can get from it.

thought this had some great talking points in it.
 

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Totally get it, but like you said, yours wasn't from AAS.
I know severalllll guys who ran gear for 10+ years who ran 500mg of HCG a week...not 3 times...and never ran clomid and got their wives preg. Its sooo individual. HCG might've worked for u...but that's all we can get from it.

thought this had some great talking points in it.
Oh I didn't have just hcg prescribed. I had fsh and clomid too. I was just agreeing with your statement on time on with anecdotal evidence.
 

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Straight from Dave Palumbo

75mg HMG EOD
2000iu HCG EOD (opposite days of HMG)
50mgs of clomid 2x per day

take the above until pregnancy occurs and stop ALL anabolic steroids.

That was Dave’s direct quote so he recommends no steroid use but I’ve seen guys who claim they stayed on low test. But... might be wise just to come off everything.
Thats way too much HCG and unecessary Clomid, I'm on TRT, Clomid brings nothing than side effects!
 

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I ran 3 months now:

200 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG EOD
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK

NOW(Since a week)
:
100 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG ED
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK

Low FSH (it doesn't rise even with HMG) , low SHBG (16.4) , low sperm count, very high E2 (107!!)

The whole protocol isn't working, endo docs have no clue, no idea whats going wrong, our dream of having a child is already shattering.

I will do the protocol till end of february, if I've the same values in 3 weeks again I stop and start a geavy blast , 2022 I go back to stage.

I know 3 months is not long but NOTHING happens and values are worse than before!!

I hope @Sides and @bad rad can help me through DM, I'm lost!
 

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I ran 3 months now:

200 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG EOD
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK

NOW(Since a week):
100 TEST C WEEK
500 HCG EOD
75 HMG ED
50 PROVIRON ED
0.5 ARI WEEK

Low FSH (it doesn't rise even with HMG) , low SHBG (16.4) , low sperm count, very high E2 (107!!)

The whole protocol isn't working, endo docs have no clue, no idea whats going wrong, our dream of having a child is already shattering.

I will do the protocol till end of february, if I've the same values in 3 weeks again I stop and start a geavy blast , 2022 I go back to stage.

I know 3 months is not long but NOTHING happens and values are worse than before!!

I hope @Sides and @bad rad can help me through DM, I'm lost!
According to this : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854084/
It could be one of several induced conditions and the reading the dosing in the abstract, your dosing is low. Also consider the period of treatment I put in bold.
Here is the pertinent text :
In these data, most begin by stimulating endogenous testosterone production with trial of hCG alone with doses ranging from 1500 to 5000 IU 2–3 times per week titrated according to serum testosterone levels. Most experts treat with hCG alone for 3–6 months after which a certain number of cases will result in spermatogenesis induction. In those without adequate spermatogenesis induction, treatment proceeds with the addition of FSH with doses ranging from 75 to 400 IU 2–3 times per week titrated according to semen analysis results. Success defined as induction of spermatogenesis with >1–1.5 × 106 ml-1 sperm was reported to occur in 44%–100% of patients treated for 6–144 months.52 Pregnancy rates, when reported, were observed in 40%–75% of patients usually at sperm concentration levels below “normal.”
 

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