GH/Insulin Timing

[slayer37]

It's the opposite: GH promotes hyperglycemia (increased blood glucose), and so rhGH counters the rhI-induced hypoglycemia (decrease to blood glucose) when the two are used in combination ("slin+GH").

Fatigue/lethargy induced by rhGH is attributable to its impact on the adrenocortical system (promotion of the conversion of cortisol to inactive cortisone) acutely. The increase to serum IGF-I countervails somewhat the hyperglycemic effect, but it would be highly atypical in solo rhGH users to suffer from hypoglycemia/low blood sugar (quite opposite). Rather, the effect on cortisol is the issue. So-called "high dimer" values in particular rhGH preparations also seem anecdotally related to lethargy/fatigue.

Not sure about the high dimer theory.
Pharm gh (both genotropin and especially omnitrope) tend to make me unbelievably tired.
I have to cut my dose in half when using pharm grade or I'm completely useless.

 

[Type-IIx]

Not sure about the high dimer theory.
Pharm gh (both genotropin and especially omnitrope) tend to make me unbelievably tired.
I have to cut my dose in half when using pharm grade or I'm completely useless.

While experiencing lethargy is not an indication of high dimer levels (as it is a direct GH effect to promote inactivation of cortisol), high dimer levels may be associated with lethargy. Correlation =/= causation.

But yes, this is only a hypothesis that Jano has shared from his impression of results from testing vs. reported side effects. Unfortunately he purges test results for security/privacy and legal reasons, so there's no data for us to quantify or correlate.

Nothing I've said supports a view that side effects are a useful metric for determining product purity/potency.

 

[qbkilla]

Depends on what your goals are

Pre fasted cardio - fat burning
Pre workout - fat burning/hypertrophy
Post workout - hypertrophy/recovery
Pre bed - recovery/fat burning

Good info.

Currently on days I do cardio only it's fasted with gh pre.

Days I train and do cardio, pre workout meal with gh, then weights, then cardio. Going to the gym on these days 2x to split cardio and weights just wasn't working with my schedule, wish it did.