Goldline Log - Test-E/Primo-E/Mast-E/Pheraplex LEAN MASS CYCLE

[Musclemechanic76]

on 25mcg t3 still, still on phentermine too tbh never stopped it



on 6mg cialis currently, was waiting to see if i had the same side as before which was the optical neuropathy that caused my vision to blur temporarily, nothing yet which is good - can increase if needed



got some Carditone today, herbal supp blend for BP - will start tmrw.



won't drop the phera down just yet, i think i can get it under control - honestly i need to go get a new cuff so i can monitor it better might do that tomorrow too.

I got to Pharma, I sit relax and don't look at first reading. I resist against it and it makes top # higher.
Once desensitization after first squeez my bp 120 or less over 60s...
At my Dr it's always higher, white coat syndrome. He gave me 5ml Amlodipine and think it wouldn't hurt to try it and see. He wants to prevent and knows I use gear and worries about stress spikes...
L-theanine really helps with stress!! Sometimes at begining of new blast I get BP elevation but only for 2 weeks even with drol 50mg.
Primo will increased protien synthesis and can affect kidneys until they adjust. Cut back protien some bit.
Be sure u using or eating plenty potassium, add some cocanut water or body armour drink every day!!
Phera only causes water retention in mineral imbalances. It's fullness with no estro and actually lowers estro!! I can only compare it to Drol for me but maybe 35mg drol but not water with drol for me at 50mg!! Another compared oral would be Methyl-Clostabol which is similar to tbol but more full and worth it to me. Tbol and winny i don't like at all... dbol I have no use for except low 20mg dose and keep lean!!
My orals are now Phera for lean gains, Anadrol 50mg lean full bigger gains, halo last 2 to 3 weeks of 5% cut, Anavar 75mg my favorite oral!! Side free except modest hdl lowering, zero liver enzymes may be 1 point over at 100mg ed, used Goldline var 8 months a years out of both past 2 years!!
Superdrol 20mg I have no problem with either it works for lean tren type look and can make extreme on tren.
Other orals I like are Epistane and Methy-Alpha-1 (methyl-1-etiocholenolol-epietiocholanolone) and Msten prohormone era stuff work for me but mostly use Var or Phera


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[epoxy]

I got to Pharma, I sit relax and don't look at first reading. I resist against it and it makes top # higher.
Once desensitization after first squeez my bp 120 or less over 60s...
At my Dr it's always higher, white coat syndrome. He gave me 5ml Amlodipine and think it wouldn't hurt to try it and see. He wants to prevent and knows I use gear and worries about stress spikes...
L-theanine really helps with stress!! Sometimes at begining of new blast I get BP elevation but only for 2 weeks even with drol 50mg.
Primo will increased protien synthesis and can affect kidneys until they adjust. Cut back protien some bit.
Be sure u using or eating plenty potassium, add some cocanut water or body armour drink every day!!
Phera only causes water retention in mineral imbalances. It's fullness with no estro and actually lowers estro!! I can only compare it to Drol for me but maybe 35mg drol but not water with drol for me at 50mg!! Another compared oral would be Methyl-Clostabol which is similar to tbol but more full and worth it to me. Tbol and winny i don't like at all... dbol I have no use for except low 20mg dose and keep lean!!
My orals are now Phera for lean gains, Anadrol 50mg lean full bigger gains, halo last 2 to 3 weeks of 5% cut, Anavar 75mg my favorite oral!! Side free except modest hdl lowering, zero liver enzymes may be 1 point over at 100mg ed, used Goldline var 8 months a years out of both past 2 years!!
Superdrol 20mg I have no problem with either it works for lean tren type look and can make extreme on tren.
Other orals I like are Epistane and Methy-Alpha-1 (methyl-1-etiocholenolol-epietiocholanolone) and Msten prohormone era stuff work for me but mostly use Var or Phera


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m1t was my first prohormone when i was 18 before i ever used any real gear. biggest gains of my life on that cycle lol but it gave me gyno, had no idea what i was doing, good times. took me almost 10 years later before i got surgery to remove it.

var is definitely one of my favs, i get pretty bad pumps on it - i have to used magnesium and taurine, those worked best for me on var pumps. the phera issue is definitely not a pump, it feels more like dehydration related charlie horse or maybe a mineral imbalance like you said. i wake up in the AM with my calves about to lock up. i can do calves on day 1 at the gym, the next day i can barely do body weight calf raises because they are so tight the whole day, takes a whole extra day to get them back to normal-ish.

i woke up this morning and looked in the mirror like, damn. look lean as FUCK. i felt fat last night too, regretted a choice of eating some dessert, felt terrible, woke up in the middle of the night and sat on the toilet for like 30 mins lol. gonna stay away from all sweets, they just wreck me lately after being on point with a diet for a good while.

 

[epoxy]

Worked on some alternative bench exercises yesterday with "hammer DB presses" basically, point pinky towards ceiling with DB, press outward, chest activation and more tricep activation but doesn't bother the shoulder. Will take me a few weeks to get the weights back up and there's no way I will be able to do anything close to a normal DB bench but it beats being in pain.

I have an appt scheduled with the Ortho on Fri to get an MRI set up. Was quoted ~$500 for office visit + shoulder MRI with no contrast out of pocket - using my Aetna insurance would have cost double that, American healthcare is a fucking joke.

Got some Carditone yesterday and added that in to hopefully alleviate any BP spike, usually drops my numbers by 10 or so just from taking 1 a day.

Looking fuller and more veiny already, all lifts steadily increasing by either 1-2 reps per set or weight. First 2 weeks I have been more focused on leg press but I really need to get back to squatting or find some alternatives for glute activation because they are getting next to no work with heavy leg press, ham raises, leg extensions and deadlifts which make up the most of my leg workout currently.

 

[Musclemechanic76]

Worked on some alternative bench exercises yesterday with "hammer DB presses" basically, point pinky towards ceiling with DB, press outward, chest activation and more tricep activation but doesn't bother the shoulder. Will take me a few weeks to get the weights back up and there's no way I will be able to do anything close to a normal DB bench but it beats being in pain.



I have an appt scheduled with the Ortho on Fri to get an MRI set up. Was quoted ~$500 for office visit + shoulder MRI with no contrast out of pocket - using my Aetna insurance would have cost double that, American healthcare is a fucking joke.



Got some Carditone yesterday and added that in to hopefully alleviate any BP spike, usually drops my numbers by 10 or so just from taking 1 a day.



Looking fuller and more veiny already, all lifts steadily increasing by either 1-2 reps per set or weight. First 2 weeks I have been more focused on leg press but I really need to get back to squatting or find some alternatives for glute activation because they are getting next to no work with heavy leg press, ham raises, leg extensions and deadlifts which make up the most of my leg workout currently.

The gear will hold muscle as long as u stimulate it and with many ways muscle can be forced to adapt and grow even if we gotta take other routes due to a nagging injury that needs to heal.

Keep it up brother!!!

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[epoxy]

Rest day today - got good sleep last night, my 3 month old slept for 10 hours, longest to date - much appreciated. Shoulder still hurts, slept on it per usual, very hard for me to sleep any other way except on the one side that just happens to be my injured shoulder. I try my best to sleep any other way but end up just laying there or flipping back to this side somehow during the night because while it's the most uncomfortable position from a pain perspective it is the only way I can actually sleep uninterrupted.

Doc appt Fri to have the Ortho look at my shoulder and schedule MRI - they wouldn't just let me schedule the MRI myself without first seeing a physician, pain in the ass but whatever. Considering I am not going to get an actual surgery I think it would be interesting to get an MRI now and then do something like a TB500/BPC157 stack for a period of time and get another MRI down the road and see if it actually looks any different. I wonder if anyone has done this on a board before to show any kind of actual evidence of effectiveness.

 

[Musclemechanic76]

Rest day today - got good sleep last night, my 3 month old slept for 10 hours, longest to date - much appreciated. Shoulder still hurts, slept on it per usual, very hard for me to sleep any other way except on the one side that just happens to be my injured shoulder. I try my best to sleep any other way but end up just laying there or flipping back to this side somehow during the night because while it's the most uncomfortable position from a pain perspective it is the only way I can actually sleep uninterrupted.

Doc appt Fri to have the Ortho look at my shoulder and schedule MRI - they wouldn't just let me schedule the MRI myself without first seeing a physician, pain in the ass but whatever. Considering I am not going to get an actual surgery I think it would be interesting to get an MRI now and then do something like a TB500/BPC157 stack for a period of time and get another MRI down the road and see if it actually looks any different. I wonder if anyone has done this on a board before to show any kind of actual evidence of effectiveness.

The MRI thing Idk!! But interesting. Many claim relief, keep pushing I had a rough day didn't get to workout

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[epoxy]

Shoulder diagnosis is impingement, rotator cuff tendinitis. Some inflammation could be seen around my collarbone - suggested that I take a break from the OHP/Benching, focus on building a stronger upper back/rear delts, suffering from a muscle imbalance. So I will need some suggestions on how to work on the upper back/rear delts and improvisations to remove benching completely for a bit and how I can still effectively hit chest.

 

[cmryan]

Shoulder diagnosis is impingement, rotator cuff tendinitis. Some inflammation could be seen around my collarbone - suggested that I take a break from the OHP/Benching, focus on building a stronger upper back/rear delts, suffering from a muscle imbalance. So I will need some suggestions on how to work on the upper back/rear delts and improvisations to remove benching completely for a bit and how I can still effectively hit chest.

That's still a much better diagnosis than a damaged labrum or rotator cuff! So that's good news.

As for rear delts/upper back, banded pullaparts and face pulls are now your friend. 100/day every day. Doesn't matter when/how you get them in. Just do them. And you'll probably benefit from doing them in your warmups at the gym from now on as well. Not 100 per se. Just a couple sets of 10-15. Y-presses with bands anchored on the floor in front of you are a great upper back, rear and lateral delt movement as well. Lots of variety you can attack this with.

When I went through something similar, I actually wound up putting more mass on my upper back and rear delts than prior to my injury because of all the volume I did in the exercises I mentioned above.

For chest, a little tougher given what he's recommending but off the top of my head I'd try weighted pushups and floor presses. Slow eccentrics and higher reps for both of course. 1 arm db incline presses (or 1 arm floor presses) are a great ab movement while still getting some chest work in. And I'd stick to the bare minimum amount of volume necessary. Once you're all healed up you'll regain any strength and mass lost very quickly.

Best of luck man.

 

[epoxy]

That's still a much better diagnosis than a damaged labrum or rotator cuff! So that's good news.

As for rear delts/upper back, banded pullaparts and face pulls are now your friend. 100/day every day. Doesn't matter when/how you get them in. Just do them. And you'll probably benefit from doing them in your warmups at the gym from now on as well. Not 100 per se. Just a couple sets of 10-15. Y-presses with bands anchored on the floor in front of you are a great upper back, rear and lateral delt movement as well. Lots of variety you can attack this with.

When I went through something similar, I actually wound up putting more mass on my upper back and rear delts than prior to my injury because of all the volume I did in the exercises I mentioned above.

For chest, a little tougher given what he's recommending but off the top of my head I'd try weighted pushups and floor presses. Slow eccentrics and higher reps for both of course. 1 arm db incline presses (or 1 arm floor presses) are a great ab movement while still getting some chest work in. And I'd stick to the bare minimum amount of volume necessary. Once you're all healed up you'll regain any strength and mass lost very quickly.

Best of luck man.

Appreciate it. Yeah unfortuantely most things pushing related cause pain, even floor presses aren't do-able. I can do the hammer curl equivalent, pinky up, DB exercise that takes the front delts out of the equation, saw that via an Athlean X video - he definitely knows a lot about shoulder injuries, trying to do what I can to "workaround" and still be able to hit the pectorals some, but I understand it'll be less than usual.

 

[Musclemechanic76]

Shoulder diagnosis is impingement, rotator cuff tendinitis. Some inflammation could be seen around my collarbone - suggested that I take a break from the OHP/Benching, focus on building a stronger upper back/rear delts, suffering from a muscle imbalance. So I will need some suggestions on how to work on the upper back/rear delts and improvisations to remove benching completely for a bit and how I can still effectively hit chest.

I had the impingement it hurt 16 weeks limited and weird thing when i switched to cut it cleared up. I have Labrum or whatever bicep at shoulder tear I fight. It just don't fully go away. Can't flex right bicep into egg most of time

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[epoxy]

Trying to find one of these type of straps for a face pull, the diesel sc one is like 65 bucks, kind of expensive for a strap extension, will buy it if i have to but looking for a cheaper one if possible.

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[epoxy]

That's still a much better diagnosis than a damaged labrum or rotator cuff! So that's good news.

As for rear delts/upper back, banded pullaparts and face pulls are now your friend. 100/day every day. Doesn't matter when/how you get them in. Just do them. And you'll probably benefit from doing them in your warmups at the gym from now on as well. Not 100 per se. Just a couple sets of 10-15. Y-presses with bands anchored on the floor in front of you are a great upper back, rear and lateral delt movement as well. Lots of variety you can attack this with.

When I went through something similar, I actually wound up putting more mass on my upper back and rear delts than prior to my injury because of all the volume I did in the exercises I mentioned above.

For chest, a little tougher given what he's recommending but off the top of my head I'd try weighted pushups and floor presses. Slow eccentrics and higher reps for both of course. 1 arm db incline presses (or 1 arm floor presses) are a great ab movement while still getting some chest work in. And I'd stick to the bare minimum amount of volume necessary. Once you're all healed up you'll regain any strength and mass lost very quickly.

Best of luck man.

I have a dip belt and I think I am just going to swap out bench altogether and do weighted dips (correct form is everything with these!) and weighted push ups and see how I feel. Wondering what my rep ranges should look like with these types of exercises, with the bench as one of my main compound exercises I was doing 5x5s and then moving into higher rep isolation work. I guess I could go full volume across the board or I could do the dips heavy enough that my reps are more limited. I'll see how my shoulders feel and gauge from there. Could end up just being total volume chest workout which isn't a problem. Retooling some of the other exercises as well trying to take more shoulder out of the equation. I can still do DB OHP without pain, will continue that, lat raises are now a huge no go, very painful at this point, but plenty of other things I can do.

 

[epoxy]

Turns out the other golds that's about the same distance has hammer press machines. I've used them in the past but never on a consistent basis. What do you guys think in terms of chest development? Incline hammer press worth incorporating if it doesn't trigger my shoulder issues? And then I can stick to mostly weighted dips for the other piece. Weighted push ups are an option but i don't see them lasting long term.

 

[Musclemechanic76]

Turns out the other golds that's about the same distance has hammer press machines. I've used them in the past but never on a consistent basis. What do you guys think in terms of chest development? Incline hammer press worth incorporating if it doesn't trigger my shoulder issues? And then I can stick to mostly weighted dips for the other piece. Weighted push ups are an option but i don't see them lasting long term.

Bump for more advice.

In times of injury especially when flat bench hurts shoulder I use incline machine. My gyms incline is seperate sides independent from each other. Like one side at a time isolation an option or both at same time but they still independent. They are plate loaded per side stack on plates desired..... I will get photo of it. One gym has thumb out only grip other gym has thumb out and hammer inner grip. They work for me. I have used only for chest with some pec deck exercises for chest for prolly 16 weeks I couldn't flat bench. Dumb bell incline presses put strain of shoulder to get into position so used those.
If u can do dips even assisted they a good chest builder.
What i did is thru chest 2x wk with other groups to get more because of limitations!!

I retained hard earned muscle for sure if a gained any in chest couldn't say but slow growth comes after being in gym years.

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[epoxy]

Mon/Tues weren't great work outs. Monday I spent most of the time trying to figure out which movements hurt my shoulder and which didn't - the only thing I can currently do pain free is neutral grip pressing, which is limiting me in my gym to DBs, floor presses are best, neutral grip. There's another gym slightly further away that has Hammer Strength machines that I can use with the same neutral grip, may start doing that on my chest days. Tuesday I went to that gym, so I ended up spending half the time adjusting equipment I wasn't used to getting the weight and seat adjustments right. It's so annoying when you use a fair number of machines having to remember each one is on what seat adjustment, leg adjustment, etc etc

I backed off the Pheraplex to just 15mg pre workout. Even with 10mg cialis and taking my Carditone once daily, BP spikes are happening on a daily basis with 30mg of Pheraplex when i spread it out.

Hoping to get back in tomorrow and have everything dialed in to keep moving. I have already lost some definition from my cut in the last week even though diet has been pretty good, so I'm not entirely sure if there is some truth to the possibility of Pheraplex holding any kind of water - some say it does, on paper it doesnt look like it should. Esp since I'm using 6.25mg aromasin and 400mg mast (i backed the mast down from 600mg to 400mg too - just seemed not necessary at that dose) so current setup is 500mg test, 800mg primo, 400mg mast, 15mg pheraplex.

 

[Musclemechanic76]

Mon/Tues weren't great work outs. Monday I spent most of the time trying to figure out which movements hurt my shoulder and which didn't - the only thing I can currently do pain free is neutral grip pressing, which is limiting me in my gym to DBs, floor presses are best, neutral grip. There's another gym slightly further away that has Hammer Strength machines that I can use with the same neutral grip, may start doing that on my chest days. Tuesday I went to that gym, so I ended up spending half the time adjusting equipment I wasn't used to getting the weight and seat adjustments right. It's so annoying when you use a fair number of machines having to remember each one is on what seat adjustment, leg adjustment, etc etc



I backed off the Pheraplex to just 15mg pre workout. Even with 10mg cialis and taking my Carditone once daily, BP spikes are happening on a daily basis with 30mg of Pheraplex when i spread it out.



Hoping to get back in tomorrow and have everything dialed in to keep moving. I have already lost some definition from my cut in the last week even though diet has been pretty good, so I'm not entirely sure if there is some truth to the possibility of Pheraplex holding any kind of water - some say it does, on paper it doesnt look like it should. Esp since I'm using 6.25mg aromasin and 400mg mast (i backed the mast down from 600mg to 400mg too - just seemed not necessary at that dose) so current setup is 500mg test, 800mg primo, 400mg mast, 15mg pheraplex.

Let's get back in gym. I missed some days this week gonna go in am do long workout 2 groups maybe 3

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[epoxy]

Let's get back in gym. I missed some days this week gonna go in am do long workout 2 groups maybe 3

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My end of week workouts were good - readjusted and I will have a more back and leg focused next few weeks which is fine, both needed some more attention and now that my chest and shoulders are very limited it's a good time to bring them up.

I had a tattoo appointment Fri evening to finish my 2nd sleeve, so I took the weekend off to let it heal up - will start back cardio on Monday/Tues, and be back to my regular routine after. I usually take about 5 days off when I have a color session.

Everything is going well, diet has been mostly good - we went to the state fair today so I had a cheat day of course and ate a couple of shitty things, nothing crazy. I can tell I have lost a little definition but not much considering that already after the DNP run I have come back up about 7lbs with no change to waistline. I'm also much fuller and more vascular all over, already seeing some veins in weird places that I have not seen before.

 

[Rogue]

Turns out the other golds that's about the same distance has hammer press machines. I've used them in the past but never on a consistent basis. What do you guys think in terms of chest development? Incline hammer press worth incorporating if it doesn't trigger my shoulder issues? And then I can stick to mostly weighted dips for the other piece. Weighted push ups are an option but i don't see them lasting long term.

OFC, most of your pec work should be upper chest anyways. Lower chest will develop from indirect stimulation. this should be your focal training point especially is its not irritating to your shoulder pain. Training around the injury should be a priority at this time, even if that means distancing yourself from training that specific body part until your healed. Muscles don't catabolise and benefit from indirect nerve stimulation when training ... other body parts.
Now is your situation has been really classified as an IMPINGEMENT, This is easily cured nowadays and you could be back in as little as 3 weeks time.
A combination of PRP/ Hyaluronic Acid will push your impingement out of the groove in a matter of hours, lubricate the area (Its what HA does) and start your healing proces(prp). Some doctors will add a little corticosteroids with the combo for immediate relief... not necessary in your case IMO.
Either that, or lay off irritating the area for a while, its not like you have many other choices.
The only other addition to this combo if you wish to keep at it hard is pentoxifylline (TRENTAL) could help. The cytokine-mediated degeneration of the tissue in your joints might be halted, which in addition to the possible increased blood flow to those parts of the body via the effects on erythrocyte flexibility could lead to some noticeable improvements in your condition. There are also other possible benefit that you mentioned which it could help you with.

I am not a doctor and NOT dispensing medical advice, this discussion for entertainment purposes ONLY.

 

[epoxy]

OFC, most of your pec work should be upper chest anyways. Lower chest will develop from indirect stimulation. this should be your focal training point especially is its not irritating to your shoulder pain. Training around the injury should be a priority at this time, even if that means distancing yourself from training that specific body part until your healed. Muscles don't catabolise and benefit from indirect nerve stimulation when training ... other body parts.
Now is your situation has been really classified as an IMPINGEMENT, This is easily cured nowadays and you could be back in as little as 3 weeks time.
A combination of PRP/ Hyaluronic Acid will push your impingement out of the groove in a matter of hours, lubricate the area (Its what HA does) and start your healing proces(prp). Some doctors will add a little corticosteroids with the combo for immediate relief... not necessary in your case IMO.
Either that, or lay off irritating the area for a while, its not like you have many other choices.
The only other addition to this combo if you wish to keep at it hard is pentoxifylline (TRENTAL) could help. The cytokine-mediated degeneration of the tissue in your joints might be halted, which in addition to the possible increased blood flow to those parts of the body via the effects on erythrocyte flexibility could lead to some noticeable improvements in your condition. There are also other possible benefit that you mentioned which it could help you with.

I am not a doctor and NOT dispensing medical advice, this discussion for entertainment purposes ONLY.

Rogue - I certainly appreciate the advice - I will look into some of these therapies to see if they are something I could do. And yes, I am going to do my best to avoid direct stimulation of the shoulder, it's one of those things where I suppose you don't realize how much work it does until it's incapable of doing so any longer - I've tried so many alternative exercises in the past week to see what hurts and what doesn't - truth is, I should just stay away completely until it's healed rather than trying to do workarounds that are still going to cause some pain or prolong healing even if the immediate pain from the exercise itself is not so bad.

One other thing - in the past I've heard people talk about using Alflutop in this kind of situation, any insight on whether or not it's worth giving a try? It's just something that I could have access to easy enough if I wanted to give it a try.

 

[epoxy]

Back in today with an updated routine, more focus on legs which is never a bad thing. I've incorporated hip thrusts for the first time as my gym recently got a nautilus glute drive machine and I gotta say, it's great. Definitely feel direct glute work more than I have through anything else in the past. My shoulder has been feeling better having given it a full 4 day break at this point, will continue to work around it as best as I can and avoid direct shoulder work for a bit longer and then go back to hitting movements that aren't causing pain directly.