Gyno Removal By A Endocrinologist

A50# · Jun 19, 2006

Is this a good idea? This guy says he can remove it thru an out patient office visit fairly quickly and he can get the insurance to cover the bill. Shouldnt a plastic surgeon be used instead?

Vespa103 · Jun 19, 2006

A50 what state are you in if you have a doctor who will remove gyno and get it covered by insurance I want his info pm me please

thanks

Rob Roy · Jun 19, 2006

First insurance coverage that I've heard of.

A50# said:
Is this a good idea? This guy says he can remove it thru an out patient office visit fairly quickly and he can get the insurance to cover the bill. Shouldnt a plastic surgeon be used instead?

What technique is the surgeon planning using? A plastic surgeon specializes in minimizing scarring. Before telling you that I'd go to the Endo. I'd have to know what technique he is going to use.:st:r-wars

Big_O · Jun 19, 2006

P.M me too A 50...I have serious gyno from the old days of reckless gear using....My regular dr. is a retard...he's admitted to me that i had bad gyno but he thinks he can treat this with hrt....

Kaiser · Jun 19, 2006

A50,
One of the main differences is a Plastic Surgeon will go through the arm pit. Some other doctors won't and it WILL leave a scar around the nipple. Just make sure he goes through the arm pit and you'll be fine.

Big_O · Jun 19, 2006

All right now Kai...you fucking with us....arm pit..? and thats an out patient procedure..?

Rob Roy · Jun 19, 2006

Big_O said:
All right now Kai...you fucking with us....arm pit..? and thats an out patient procedure..?

When going in through the armpit, it is just lipo being performed. It's actually through a puncture hole. This procedure is alright if you carry at a median to higher bodyfat percentage. If you stay relatively lean, the gland will petrude out. The gland has to be sculpted. To my knowledge this can not be performed through the armpit. I had the surg. through the nipple and I have no scar what so ever. In fact scarring was non existant a month out. If you have a plastic surgeon that is decent you will not end up with any scarring. This is what they specialize in. Yes, it is always outpatient:st:r-wars

phreak · Jun 19, 2006

this guy, Dr. Bermant, is out of Richmond and has lots of experience with gyno:

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Coopie · Jun 19, 2006

Important Info

Any doctor can perform any surgery under most state laws!

That is a freightening fact, and it is the reason for many of those "plastic surgery nightmare" stories you see in the news. Think about it - a family medicine doctor may decide one day to start doing gyno surgery and - BAM! he can do so without any training, any scrutiny, or any knowledge of how to do the procedure!

If you're considering aesthetic-enhancement surgery, why not go to a real plastic surgeon? These doctors have trained extensively for this very type of procedure.

They've taken special medical school coursework, they've done a residency (usually for several years) where all they do is plastic surgery, and then they typically intern at a teaching hospital for another few years doing only plastic surgery. By the time a "real" plastic surgeon opens his practice they have typically performed over 10,000 operations. Plus, in order to keep their board certification they must do a certain # of hours of continuing education every year to keep current on new procedres, instruments, etc.

Why risk it? Go to a doctor who is a real plastic surgeon - look for the initials, "FACS" after their name and ensure they are Board Certified to perform plastic surgery.

It's not worth it to save a few $$$.

Magnum · Jun 19, 2006

Go to someone who is well versed at doing this!!!!! Bermant is good. You will have no scars.

Rob Roy · Jun 20, 2006

Coopie said:
Any doctor can perform any surgery under most state laws!

That is a freightening fact, and it is the reason for many of those "plastic surgery nightmare" stories you see in the news. Think about it - a family medicine doctor may decide one day to start doing gyno surgery and - BAM! he can do so without any training, any scrutiny, or any knowledge of how to do the procedure!

If you're considering aesthetic-enhancement surgery, why not go to a real plastic surgeon? These doctors have trained extensively for this very type of procedure.

They've taken special medical school coursework, they've done a residency (usually for several years) where all they do is plastic surgery, and then they typically intern at a teaching hospital for another few years doing only plastic surgery. By the time a "real" plastic surgeon opens his practice they have typically performed over 10,000 operations. Plus, in order to keep their board certification they must do a certain # of hours of continuing education every year to keep current on new procedres, instruments, etc.

Why risk it? Go to a doctor who is a real plastic surgeon - look for the initials, "FACS" after their name and ensure they are Board Certified to perform plastic surgery.

It's not worth it to save a few $$$.

Couldn't agree more. Well put.

A50# · Jun 20, 2006

I talked with him about 40 minutes today. It took 3 months to get an appointment with this guy. He says the diagnoses would be "cysts" that need biopsies. Although breat cancer is quite rare in men, sore, painful lumps can raise concern and warrant removal and not have to be diagnosed as "gynecomastia" apparently. He said the scarring would be hardly noticeable and the incision is around the areola. I'm still quite leary though, I have heard of people being mutalted by endo's doing these types of surgeries and the outcome is worse than the gyno. For the average every day joe this way of removal may be an option but as far as being a bodybuilder goes I think a plastic surgeon still is the best option.

Kaiser · Jun 20, 2006

A50# said:
I talked with him about 40 minutes today. It took 3 months to get an appointment with this guy. He says the diagnoses would be "cysts" that need biopsies. Although breat cancer is quite rare in men, sore, painful lumps can raise concern and warrant removal and not have to be diagnosed as "gynecomastia" apparently. He said the scarring would be hardly noticeable and the incision is around the areola. I'm still quite leary though, I have heard of people being mutalted by endo's doing these types of surgeries and the outcome is worse than the gyno. For the average every day joe this way of removal may be an option but as far as being a bodybuilder goes I think a plastic surgeon still is the best option.

My wife (Simone) works for a very dominate plastic surgeon around here in NJ. Scarring does occur quite often in men for some reason (compared to women) around the areola especially if you are currently on juice because of keloiding. Keloiding can be calmed by a couple of injections of Kenilog (I think I have the spelling correct). Discoloration can also occur, kind of like keloiding but without the bump. This can be taken care of only in the beginning, so keep an eye out for it and let your surgeon know if it occurs. I am not sure of the injection they use for this however. Orthoscopic armpit does take longer, but tends to be easier on the recovery since you don't have to worry about separating the the cut as much.

RobRoy, the procedure has been performed by him on a number of ripped men in the area that I know of personally. It is not just lypo, it is done with an orthoscopic tool so a low body fat person can be sculpted.

Coopie, not sure about all states but from what I understand, one of the main differences is that a normal doctor cannot do anything past skin level. In other words they cannot go under muscle. This is why most dermatologists and other non-plastic surgeons push a breast augmentation patient to go above the muscle. In the end if they decide to go under the muscle, the doctor has to let the patient go to a real plastic surgeon. But you and I know none of them will ever come forward with this info ahead of time...

Coopie · Jun 20, 2006

Coopie, not sure about all states but from what I understand, one of the main differences is that a normal doctor cannot do anything past skin level. In other words they cannot go under muscle. This is why most dermatologists and other non-plastic surgeons push a breast augmentation patient to go above the muscle. In the end if they decide to go under the muscle, the doctor has to let the patient go to a real plastic surgeon. But you and I know none of them will ever come forward with this info ahead of time...[/QUOTE]

A very good law school buddy of mine works in the DA's office here in NY. He works in the "Medical Crimes Division" and, sadly, he has tons of horror stories of doctors mutilating patients because they decided to become surgeons overnight. And, since NY state laws allow ANY doctor (M.D. or D.O.) to perform ANY procedure, the best my friend can do is prosecute them for "deceptive business practices", and sometimes even "assault".

Incidently, if a doctor loses their license to practice medicine in any particular state, that DOES NOT mean that they've lost their license to practice in all other states. It is common for a doctor to lose their license, be fined and sanctioned (sometimes even go to jail), and open shop in another state with no notice of what happened prior.

The American Medical Association is one of the strongest lobbying bodies in the world. It is near impossible to rein in bad doctors.

doublefister · Aug 1, 2006

A50# said:
I talked with him about 40 minutes today. It took 3 months to get an appointment with this guy. He says the diagnoses would be "cysts" that need biopsies. Although breat cancer is quite rare in men, sore, painful lumps can raise concern and warrant removal and not have to be diagnosed as "gynecomastia" apparently. He said the scarring would be hardly noticeable and the incision is around the areola. I'm still quite leary though, I have heard of people being mutalted by endo's doing these types of surgeries and the outcome is worse than the gyno. For the average every day joe this way of removal may be an option but as far as being a bodybuilder goes I think a plastic surgeon still is the best option.

Check his portfolio of other patients he has done gyno surgery on. If he has done this in the past then he would have taken before and after photos of all his patients. From there you can see how well of a surgeon he is.

DrBermant · Aug 30, 2009

A50# said:
I talked with him about 40 minutes today. It took 3 months to get an appointment with this guy. He says the diagnoses would be "cysts" that need biopsies. Although breat cancer is quite rare in men, sore, painful lumps can raise concern and warrant removal and not have to be diagnosed as "gynecomastia" apparently. He said the scarring would be hardly noticeable and the incision is around the areola. I'm still quite leary though, I have heard of people being mutalted by endo's doing these types of surgeries and the outcome is worse than the gyno. For the average every day joe this way of removal may be an option but as far as being a bodybuilder goes I think a plastic surgeon still is the best option.

I know this is an old thread, but I keep seeing disasters from incompetent doctors who have no training, skills, nor ethics and create nightmares with patients too gullible to check credentials and evaluate the skills of their surgeon. I have seen horrible complications from Radiologists, Gynecologists, Emergency Room Doctors, Family Practitioners, Internists, Urologists, and many other specialits performing bad surgery. Crater Deformity Complications from Bad Gynecomastia Surgery are but some of the bad results I have seen. Sometimes there are revision options, but it is so much easier when the sculpture is done right the first time.

Board Certification alone is not enough, not all Plastic Surgeons have the same skills. You should look for many before and after pictures from many different angles. Single views that change from one patient to the next are one dishonest way of showing only the "best" view which can vary from one patient to the next. Look for changing lighting which also can obscure if the results are really different.

There are many other factors, but this is the first post in this forum and I am not certain if the links posted are acceptable for education purposes.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
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