Help I am shut down

[e6er]

Test Enan: week 1-20
Proviron: 25mg per day for weeks 1-8
Deca: 250 mg per week for weeks 9-18.
and ran test by itself the last 2 weeks.

Weeks 10-20 I ran 250iu's of HCG throughout the entire cycle. I then ran a months worth of Clomid for PCT.

I never had any issues with shutting down the entire cycle. My libido was strong a 1 1/2 months after finishing my cycle. It's now two months I have been off and I shut down hard. I was on HRT prior to the cycle and I have been dosing my prescribed 5 grams of androgel for the last 3 weeks. It's not working, and had my doc do a blood test and my level was at 209, my baseline is around 550 while on Andro. My nuts have shrunk too. I haven't lost any of my gains though which is odd.

Doc ran another blood test for my Cortisol, Prolactin, Estrogen, and a couple of other things. I am going to see a Urologist next week but scared to tell him about my AAS use for I do not want it in my Insurance file. What should I say, should I come clean?

I'm afraid I may have screwed myself with the HCG and now my nuts aren't working.

Has anyone experienced this and what did the doc do for you?

 

[whiteknucks]

Test Enan: week 1-20
Proviron: 25mg per day for weeks 1-8
Deca: 250 mg per week for weeks 9-18.
and ran test by itself the last 2 weeks.

Weeks 10-20 I ran 250iu's of HCG throughout the entire cycle. I then ran a months worth of Clomid for PCT.

I never had any issues with shutting down the entire cycle. My libido was strong a 1 1/2 months after finishing my cycle. It's now two months I have been off and I shut down hard. I was on HRT prior to the cycle and I have been dosing my prescribed 5 grams of androgel for the last 3 weeks. It's not working, and had my doc do a blood test and my level was at 209, my baseline is around 550 while on Andro. My nuts have shrunk too. I haven't lost any of my gains though which is odd.

Doc ran another blood test for my Cortisol, Prolactin, Estrogen, and a couple of other things. I am going to see a Urologist next week but scared to tell him about my AAS use for I do not want it in my Insurance file. What should I say, should I come clean?

I'm afraid I may have screwed myself with the HCG and now my nuts aren't working.

Has anyone experienced this and what did the doc do for you?

how old are you? is this your first cycle?

 

[e6er]

how old are you? is this your first cycle?

I'm 33, this is my 6th cycle. I usually run them for 12 weeks with Test as my base. I've never run Deca before. I shutdown hard 2 years ago of Tren enan which is when I was put on andro. It's always worked but now it's not.

I've always had good PCT down. Viagra doesn't even work for me.

I've been having issues with depression, moodyness, and sometimes it feels as though I was kicked in the nuts.

 

[seymoor77]

Give it time - you will 100% recover - but it's gonna take a while

 

[KROD]

reason why i stay away from deca..not even cialis can help

 

[The Wolf]

Hcg can shut you down too, Ive experienced similar problems and the endo didnt prescribe me any meds and I recovered in 6 months. It could have taken up to 2 years. Be patient

 

[Obnoxious123]

so you started clomid directly after the test? did you wait 2 weeks?

 

[taslajrisi]

shut down

I'm 33, this is my 6th cycle. I usually run them for 12 weeks with Test as my base. I've never run Deca before. I shutdown hard 2 years ago of Tren enan which is when I was put on andro. It's always worked but now it's not.

I've always had good PCT down. Viagra doesn't even work for me.

I've been having issues with depression, moodyness, and sometimes it feels as though I was kicked in the nuts.

I had a similar thing happen to me due to deca. Even aggressive pct did not get me back. Not until I did an anti prolactin (bromo and/or prami) did i recover. Deca keeps me shut down for months. It sucks in this regard due to prolactin but I love the joint improvement. Proviron is great with libido and keeps estro low. I am 42 now and on hrt test cyp anyway. Seriously, an anti prolactin like bromocriptine, pramipexole or cabaser plus proviron has my libido almost too high....also if someone is totally shutdown you need higher doses of hcg to get back. Just a SERM alone won't do the trick.

 

[e6er]

Hcg can shut you down too, Ive experienced similar problems and the endo didnt prescribe me any meds and I recovered in 6 months. It could have taken up to 2 years. Be patient

I am almost sure it was the HCG. If it was the Deca that shut me down my Andro would probably still work. I may have dosed the HCG wrong a few times.

so you started clomid directly after the test? did you wait 2 weeks?

I waited 2 weeks to start the Clomid.

Perhaps I should wait and see what the doc says? Should I tell him of my AAS use, does this go into your insurance history?

 

[prime]

trt

I'm confused. If you are on TRT, you testicles aren't going to be making testosterone. Are you saying libido shutdown? Or are you saying your testicles are shut down? Did you still produce LH while on Androgel?

 

[DatBtrue]

Has anyone experienced this and what did the doc do for you?

Why are you fucking about with hormones?

"Oh my gawd!!!! " ...is not an appropriate response. You should have spent time to acquire the following understanding:

- Long cycles require long PCTs w/ multiple PCT compounds

- The decanoate ester is not so predictable and it takes a lot longer to clear then you think. It is probably just now clearing. If you injected into scar tissue it might take 3 months to clear even.

- Deca is a very poor option and you should have chosen NPP instead.

- You have many things to deal with now and you will need to address them with a long-enough PCT with more knowledge then you apparently have.​

So stop crying and go about using the compounds that are needed to address recovery... and recovery as it specifically applies to nandrolone.

What is it that you expected when you decided to do a 20 week cycle and use deca?

In addition to a proper, thorough and long PCT you need to add the element of time.

 

[PsyT]

did you stop the HCG before the deca had a chance to clear? This could explain the fact that your testicles were fine when on the HCG but as soon as it left your system the deca depot kicked back in and released some deca (as little as 100mg deca can shut a man down) and then you're shutdown again.

 

[e6er]

I'm confused. If you are on TRT, you testicles aren't going to be making testosterone. Are you saying libido shutdown? Or are you saying your testicles are shut down? Did you still produce LH while on Androgel?

My testicles are shut down, small as raisins. Was fine when I came off the clomid.

Why are you fucking about with hormones?

"Oh my gawd!!!! " ...is not an appropriate response. You should have spent time to acquire the following understanding:

- Long cycles require long PCTs w/ multiple PCT compounds

- The decanoate ester is not so predictable and it takes a lot longer to clear then you think. It is probably just now clearing. If you injected into scar tissue it might take 3 months to clear even.

- Deca is a very poor option and you should have chosen NPP instead.

- You have many things to deal with now and you will need to address them with a long-enough PCT with more knowledge then you apparently have.​

So stop crying and go about using the compounds that are needed to address recovery... and recovery as it specifically applies to nandrolone.

What is it that you expected when you decided to do a 20 week cycle and use deca?

In addition to a proper, thorough and long PCT you need to add the element of time.

I'm not crying, just looking for help. If you can help me out that is cool. How do you suggest I address PCT now? I have access to it, so let me know. I appreciate any help you can give me. I also need to know if I go back on PCT do I stop my Androgel.

did you stop the HCG before the deca had a chance to clear? This could explain the fact that your testicles were fine when on the HCG but as soon as it left your system the deca depot kicked back in and released some deca (as little as 100mg deca can shut a man down) and then you're shutdown again.

Yes I stopped the HCG with my last shot if test. Deca was stopped 2 weeks before my last shot if test. So if Deca nstays in your system for a month then that would leave one week that Deca was possibly in my system.

 

[domeyeahaight]

If you are on TRT and Andro that is synthetic which is still going to affect your natty..

my advice would be to quit everything...get some cialis in the meantime...and begin a well thought out pct

 

[PsyT]

I'm not sure but I would advise next time running HCG a little longer, even a day or two into the start of clomid therapy (PCT). My only experience is with prop but even a shot of HCG 2 days after my last prop shot didn't outlive the prop depots (even they take about a week (6 days maybe) to wear off so that the last bits aren't enough to shut you down (and testicular shrinkage sets in again after the HCG wears off).

perhaps somebody else can verify my reasoning though.

 

[KROD]

Isn't it easier and faster to recover from cycles of Prop and winny per se than more harder coumpound such as test e, deca, tren..or once youre shutdown it does matter what you took?

 

[dabeast75]

you wíll recover

calm down bro. Your balls are going to recover and so is your sex drive and everything else. Dont worry. Its just a matter of time, and yes, it might take several months unfortunately. But the good news is, it will all go back to normal. it always does. And viagra doesnt do shit when you are shut down since your ability to get turned on and be sexually aroused is gone because your test levels are too low! viagra only gives you wood if you wanna boink, and even though you "wanna" boink, you dont really. Yes its a terrible feeling, but it will all sort itself out.

Try nolva or maybe even better go on clomid, Proviron and maybe some aromasin. That should all make it better, but no matter what you do at this point, you are still going to be shut down for quite some time. The trick is to prevent being shut down while on the cycle. But dont feel bad. Ive never managed to do it since after my 3rd cycle.

 

[all4show]

You could run another PCT and include some supplements like DHEA and tribulus. Also, make sure your diet is has good amounts of fat (used in synthesis of cholesterol and therefore necessary for production of testosterone). Sleep, stress factors (possibly the fact that your stressing over your test levels), and your training should be considered.

In agreement with a few other members, deca has a proven track record (not everyone) of shutting you down hard and sometimes for an extended length of time.

 

[e6er]

Alright thanks for the responses. I have Clomid right now, what would you guys reccomend to run with that?

I have DHEA on hand but I've been told it's bad to run after a cycle, I also have ZMA. Zinc is also supposed to help test levels.

 

[PsyT]

go on clomid, Proviron and maybe some aromasin.

i thought proviron would suppress you a little bit and shouldn't be used in PCT