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How do you deal with tren side effects

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A good friend of mine is running his first cycle with tren (first contest prep) he's run several cycle in the past with Deca and never had any issues. This time he's having some erectile dissfunction issue 8 weeks into his prep.
He's running test/mast/EQ/Tren all at 300mg each (been on test/mast/EQ for 4 weeks at 200mg each prior to adding tren) so he text me in a panic and says he's having trouble getting it up and keeping it up and it came on suddenly like over a week.
Two of my training partner say they experience the same thing so now they use low dose Paramipaxol when taking tren , they say it helps tremendously with the aggression and prevent the soft noodle.
My buddy has a vacation planned in 8 days and is freaking out , he order some Paramipaxol last night but he's worried it won't kick in for the vacation. (Second honeymoon) he's even considering taking some over the counter ED shit because Viagra didn't help.

Any of you guys have any ideas what he can do or know how long it take for the Parami to kick in?? He said he dropped the tren last week (Tren Enanthate) so I'm guessing it gonna be in his system for at least another week.
 

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If he dropped the tren he needs to be very careful taking prami on top of that! I would tell him if he already dropped tren to wait it out! Try cialis, or even a cock ring!
 

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You have to start the parmi dose REALLY low, that stuff can really be a trip. Also, if ED is the only side effect he is getting, adding prami might not be worth it.

I'd say 300 test doesn't have enough affinity for the AR to 'moderate' the effects from those other drugs and EQ and Tren together is tricky together, side effects can be physiological or psychological with those two.

The wife may be more annoyed by the prami side effects than the ED...
 

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A good friend of mine is running his first cycle with tren (first contest prep) he's run several cycle in the past with Deca and never had any issues. This time he's having some erectile dissfunction issue 8 weeks into his prep.
He's running test/mast/EQ/Tren all at 300mg each (been on test/mast/EQ for 4 weeks at 200mg each prior to adding tren) so he text me in a panic and says he's having trouble getting it up and keeping it up and it came on suddenly like over a week.
Two of my training partner say they experience the same thing so now they use low dose Paramipaxol when taking tren , they say it helps tremendously with the aggression and prevent the soft noodle.
My buddy has a vacation planned in 8 days and is freaking out , he order some Paramipaxol last night but he's worried it won't kick in for the vacation. (Second honeymoon) he's even considering taking some over the counter ED shit because Viagra didn't help.

Any of you guys have any ideas what he can do or know how long it take for the Parami to kick in?? He said he dropped the tren last week (Tren Enanthate) so I'm guessing it gonna be in his system for at least another week.
I would get caber man!
 

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Prami is gd awful for you, especially in the long term. The only thing I can say is the shorter the ester the better and chew orbitz gum for the heartburn.
 

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This is probably not what he wants to hear but drop the tren. Seriously. If a drug is causing serious issues with your life then to hell with it.

But if he's dead set on keeping tren and using prami then test in small doses at first. The stuff has been known to make people sick as hell if too much is used. And it doesn't take much.
 

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Caber solved all of my tren dick problems but only the dick problems, everything else about tren still chugs dick. I use it in small doses and only while actively pinning tren, you don't need a lot of it at all from my expierence.
 

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Prami sounds nasty. Ive never taken it but j remember my buddy saying he had pretty bad withdrawal symptoms when he came off and i dont really think he was on it for a super long period of time.

Is your friend absolutely sure its the tren causing the ED? Doesn't necessarily even have to be prolactin related to have that issue. His doses arent all that high. Sometimes just combinations of drugs will do it, like eq and tren together. Definitely not a fan of a long ester on tren. If he gives it a go again he should try ace.

He could always get bloodwork right away. Sometimes you get lucky and results come back in 3-4 days. I mean its not a bad idea.
 

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A good friend of mine is running his first cycle with tren (first contest prep) he's run several cycle in the past with Deca and never had any issues. This time he's having some erectile dissfunction issue 8 weeks into his prep.
He's running test/mast/EQ/Tren all at 300mg each (been on test/mast/EQ for 4 weeks at 200mg each prior
to adding tren) so he text me in a panic and says he's having trouble getting it up and keeping it up and it came on suddenly like over a week.
Two of my training partner say they experience the same thing so now they use low dose Paramipaxol when taking tren , they say it helps tremendously with the aggression and prevent the soft noodle.
My buddy has a vacation planned in 8 days and is freaking out , he order some Paramipaxol last night but he's worried it won't kick in for the vacation. (Second honeymoon) he's even considering taking some over the counter ED shit because Viagra didn't help.

Any of you guys have any ideas what he can do or know how long it take for the Parami to kick in?? He said he dropped the tren last week (Tren Enanthate) so I'm guessing it gonna be in his system for at least another week.
^^^this is what i see;
PRAMI does work ..i personally like it & you don't need a whole bunch
..yes, the proper "therapeutic dose" does work quick, but getting to that dose may not be so quick
..it's like Kaladryn mentioned above "you gotta start slow" & i'll add that you need to ramp up slow too
..if you go too fast, you will get nauseous/sick

IMO: anti-prolactins could even solve many "ordinary, non-PED" guys with their ED
prolactin spikes after males "cums" & it's that "post-cum" spike that makes us soft after
..so high prolactin conditions can bring down normal erectile function

BUT, many factors can drive up prolactin, to name a few:
-thyrotropin-releasing hormone (TRH) due to low thyroid
-estrogen (..likely not the case here)
-anything that antagonizes dopamine (antipsychotics etc)
-stress
-sleep
..so you don't necessarily need to be on TREN? or DECA to have high prolactin
..but as you can also see, many of these factors are fairly common during contest prep
(..esp with the addition of TREN on top of low cals/hard workouts/poor sleep)

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^^^so besides the obvious answer (..& benefit) of anti-prolactins;
another potential reason for your friend's ED is that your friend is in "contest prep" which is ideally a low estrogen environment
..he may consider that 300mg/TEST may simply just not produce enough ESTROGEN for raging hard-ons
especially in the presence of EQ/MAST/TREN
..& possibly even some AI's that your friend may not have mentioned (..many times people forget to mention the "ancillaries")
-AI use is common during contest prep & very conducive to acquiring super low BF%
-ED is not uncommon for fellas that are in contest prep ..not necessarily due to high prolactin, but rather low ESTROGEN, or a combination of the two

^^^the reality is that "contest prep" regimens are not particularly conducive to raging hard-ons

-higher ESTROGEN & lack of stressful conditions associated with a "contest prep" (..low cals + hard workouts) is more conducive to normal erectile function
-low ESTROGEN is more conducive to the "low BF goal" of contest prep, but not necessarily great hard-ons

in short, your friend is kinda caught between "a rock & a hard place"
he's got a "honeymoon" going on in the middle of a "contest prep"
^^^don't know too experienced guys who would have planned it that way due to the stress/irritability/potential loss of proper dick function that could inevitably come with contest prep

..in his defense tho, it's his his first rodeo & he didn't know better



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What would you suggest as a starting dose?
 

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I would have recommended caber and cialis and I think they would work extremely well and with minimal sides effects if both are dosed smartly. Prami is effective but it can be very tricky so definitely start low. The good thing about prami is it does work very quickly (as do most dopamine agonists against prolactin). Is he using an AI? If not then no bother but if he is that could be a factor as well. Whilst it's impossible to know without blood work but if he came to me on the above cycle, needing a quick fix and was using an AI I would get him to drop it.
 

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I appreciate all the reply
He is not taking any AI's , using Masteron for that (but would likely throw In a little Adex the last couple weeks)

I may just tell him to bump the test up for the next couple weeks (test prop) an see if that helps in the Paramipaxol doesn't show up in time.

Paramipaxol sounds pretty terrible , I'm surprised he chose that over Cabergoline from what everyone is saying about both.
He's gone pretty high I deca with test in the past with no issues , so I'm surprised the little bit of tren hit him so hard.
Maybe he's one of those guys that needs to run significant higher dose of test with the tren
 

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I appreciate all the reply
He is not taking any AI's , using Masteron for that (but would likely throw In a little Adex the last couple weeks)

I may just tell him to bump the test up for the next couple weeks (test prop) an see if that helps in the Paramipaxol doesn't show up in time.

Paramipaxol sounds pretty terrible , I'm surprised he chose that over Cabergoline from what everyone is saying about both.
He's gone pretty high I deca with test in the past with no issues , so I'm surprised the little bit of tren hit him so hard.
Maybe he's one of those guys that needs to run significant higher dose of test with the tren
If he has dropped the tren with some test p and the mast in there I am sure he will be ok by the time he travels. Tren e sticks around for awhile but levels will drop so he should be ok. If viagra hasn't worked he should try cialis/tadalafil. Yes prami is strange and it can be the most incredible thing or the worst thing ever. I used to have some of the craziest virtual reality type dreams on prami. It has also kept me awake all night as well. Definitely start very low. The worst I have ever felt in my life was went I took too much prami (I can't recall but I think it was only 0.6mg). Well ok it draws with the time I took too much MT2 and ended up on the toilet for about 5 hours with horrible nausea. Incidentally if he has any MT2 or PT141 on hand they could also be very useful for the ED issues.
 

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