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IFBB Pro Mike Wheels Shares Details Of Heart Damage Caused By Steroid Abuse

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Once again, I'll refer everyone to our member/former member (RIP) Chris250 (Chris Genkinger). He competed at the USA and was on that level. He had high BP, never did anything about it and was finally diagnosed with cardiomyopathy. He stopped "things" and his ejection fraction went back up to a level that was normal/sub-normal...still had cardiomyopathy. He decided, like this guy, that he could get back to competing but would tone things down. He did just that and died of a heart attack leaving behind a wife and young daughter.


Here's the thread Chris250 made about his heart issues... https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/in-the-hospital-for-the-weekend.58782/

For those that won't take the time to read through it...
look at his initial post on page 1
Then page 3 post# 59
Then page 6 post# 102 and # 109

But this guy kept pushing after a warning.

I mean, right now Mike's problem is reversible up to a point, it's not like he has stage 5 kidney failure or something.

And once again, there is no direct relationship between the doses of slin, Milos and his heart problems, of course it is not a good idea to be a heavyweight pushing massive amounts of carbs and cals, but Mike does not look saturated with muscle, he seems tall and "small" in terms of pro bodybuilding stage.
 

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What's going to happen to him when he tries to continue to compete? Chance things will up back down again? Any time there is a decrease in heart function it should be of concern. Something is wrong. A normal EF for a healthy person that exercises should be up around at least 60% or so. A bit like having a tumor in your liver but not being concerned because you had surgery and they think they got it all. What caused the problem? If the cause is still there then it probably will come back.
i did nowhere in my post state that he will be okay if he keeps pushing.
I just said right now it is reversible if he is sensible with his approach. He doesnt need to completely stop but he should lay away from high blasts and stuff that will make him retain much water etc..
 

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i did nowhere in my post state that he will be okay if he keeps pushing.
I just said right now it is reversible if he is sensible with his approach. He doesnt need to completely stop but he should lay away from high blasts and stuff that will make him retain much water etc..
It may be reversible, but it sounds like he has probably topped out on recovery. Hopefully he stops what he's doing. HRT doses if he must would be ok. His bodybuilding career should be over now unless he can compete on just HRT.
 

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I actually know Mike irl. Well, we're not buddies, but I've seen at my gym many times, and just say what's up. He has downsized a bit when he had shoulder surgery and tricep tear, I can't comment on what he takes as I don't know him that well, but one thing I can say, is that the guy trains hard. I coach a few people on the side, and many times I pointed Mike out to my clients show them what it means to train hard.
 

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Well...he has cardiomyopathy by his own words. I don't think he even had a heart attack listening to what he stated.

So as a timeline:

From 2013-2017 he worked with a coach, forgot the name. He mentioned that he had used high doses of anabolics later in the interview, prior to hiring Milos. He didn't state the amounts, so i'm not sure what 'high' is to him. Also had used HGH and insulin prior to Milos, though not as much insulin...think he said 5-12iu.

He started with Milos in 2017 and did a few shows. He was always on insulin for most of the time. He did a few shows with milos and came in not well conditioned while chasing the size game quickly. Each show with Milos, the insulin dosages were lower and lower after complaining about them, and then eventually the last show with Milos he did not use insulin at all. He stopped using Milos in 2018! He said Milos had him on low dosages of AAS, but I don't think he ever mentioned how much that was. So he was with Milos about a year.

So he stated after leaving Milos in 2018, that he took a year break and didn't take insulin, and that includes AAS per him, but he also mentioned he was still cruising. He mentioned that his lipids were normal on his bloodwork, and ECG testing showed his heart was normal....."but it was weak." This was all pre- "heart attack." He mentioned that the "weakness" wasn't found at first, but later on.

In 2019 he didn't compete because he said he had shoulder surgery.

In 2020, he started working with Patrick for about 5 months. Patrick had him on "5iu HGH + 5iu insulin + minimal AAS." He mentioned that Patrick wanted him to take GHRP-2, and when he did, he had an allergic reaction to it and fainted. The paramedics came and took him in to the hospital. Most of the testing came back fine, and they diagnosed him having an allergic reaction to the GHRp-2, but they also caught that his ejection fraction was super low and they diagnosed him with cardiomyopathy, not a heart attack. His ejection fraction was at 15-20%. This was in Feb 2020....so last year.

He then said the anabolics played a role, but still blamed it mostly on insulin. Also new it could have been from the high weight gain.

He mentioned later on....unbelievably, that if he gets his ejection fraction back up to normal, like 50-75% he may try and compete again. He is at 45% right now. He mentioned that bodybuilding is his life and wants to compete again, but not if it means him dying. Somebody needs to sit his ass down NOW, and give him the talk about not competing again. I think somebody like John Meadows could be a positive voice for him to listen to....as an example, as well as a medical doctor. He needs to quit, and not compete again. He mentioned that the last 6 months it has not improved from 45%.

He said he could use gear safely and compete.....not sure what doses he considers safe. He mentioned that Chris Bumstead "only takes 750mg" and it sounded like he assumed it was a safe dosage. He also mentioned if he cannot go 100%, he will not compete again just to use low doses and come in looking like crap.

He mentioned using 4-6iu HGH in the past for off-season, and went up to 9iu hgh during prep.

He said he used high amounts of gear in the past prior to Milos...but didn't state the amounts.

He had BP issues and was taking meds.

He had sleep apnea as well.

He states he is still training "like a horse" 3 hours a day.

He is on 250mg/wk of test.

He is taking Entresto right now for the cardiomyopathy....along with supp's.

Oh wow, thanks for writing this down.

I think I know exactly why he's blaming insulin:

He knows he can't compete without roids but knows it doesn't really matter whether or not he's on insulin, probably wasn't doing much for him anyway (I think most of Milos' clients don't get much out of it in fact). So he rationalizes his use of roids by blaming insulin and throwing Milos under the bus, someone who he hasn't used since 2018 and who didn't even use insulin with him at the end! LOL.

But I can understand all this, I won't even call him stupid. It's almost impossible to give this up for us all. Even someone as logical and intelligent as maldorf went back to it after his first scare.
 

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But this guy kept pushing after a warning.

I mean, right now Mike's problem is reversible up to a point, it's not like he has stage 5 kidney failure or something.

And once again, there is no direct relationship between the doses of slin, Milos and his heart problems, of course it is not a good idea to be a heavyweight pushing massive amounts of carbs and cals, but Mike does not look saturated with muscle, he seems tall and "small" in terms of pro bodybuilding stage.

If you're saying Chris kept pushing after a warning, he did not. He stopped. When his numbers returned to a place he felt were good, he used again and then his health went back to shit! This guy Mike Wheels stated he wants to get his numbers back in line and then compete again with less gear. The EXACT same thing Chris did.

Just because you can get your numbers up or down doesn't mean the damage you did is gone. It just means your body is able to deal with it much better now that the offending drug(s) have been removed. To start again evetually brings the same results as before! His ego is overriding his brain!!
 

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If you're saying Chris kept pushing after a warning, he did not. He stopped. When his numbers returned to a place he felt were good, he used again and then his health went back to shit! This guy Mike Wheels stated he wants to get his numbers back in line and then compete again with less gear. The EXACT same thing Chris did.

Just because you can get your numbers up or down doesn't mean the damage you did is gone. It just means your body is able to deal with it much better now that the offending drug(s) have been removed. To start again evetually brings the same results as before! His ego is overriding his brain!!
It is very hard for most users to stop using permanently. It takes something very dramatic to make you stop for good. I think most steroid users do not realize the magnitude of the mental and physical dependence that develops.
 

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Oh wow, thanks for writing this down.

I think I know exactly why he's blaming insulin:

He knows he can't compete without roids but knows it doesn't really matter whether or not he's on insulin, probably wasn't doing much for him anyway (I think most of Milos' clients don't get much out of it in fact). So he rationalizes his use of roids by blaming insulin and throwing Milos under the bus, someone who he hasn't used since 2018 and who didn't even use insulin with him at the end! LOL.

But I can understand all this, I won't even call him stupid. It's almost impossible to give this up for us all. Even someone as logical and intelligent as maldorf went back to it after his first scare.
agreed with this. how he is specifically blaming the insulin for doing the majority of the damage really seems ridiculous and a bit bizarre. I have no idea of this guy's genetic predispositions for cardiac issues or his previous gear use from start to finish. It sounds like working with Milos overall didn't work out all that well for him (competition placing-wise), so he's using Milos insulin recommendations as a scapegoat for his cardiac issues...

supposedly when he talked to Milos about the excessive insulin use and it causing him health problems, Milos belittled him and shit on him, which I think is a big reason why Mike is coming out publically and throwing Milos under the bus...
 

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Once again, I'll refer everyone to our member/former member (RIP) Chris250 (Chris Genkinger). He competed at the USA and was on that level. He had high BP, never did anything about it and was finally diagnosed with cardiomyopathy. He stopped "things" and his ejection fraction went back up to a level that was normal/sub-normal...still had cardiomyopathy. He decided, like this guy, that he could get back to competing but would tone things down. He did just that and died of a heart attack leaving behind a wife and young daughter.


Here's the thread Chris250 made about his heart issues... https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/in-the-hospital-for-the-weekend.58782/

For those that won't take the time to read through it...
look at his initial post on page 1
Then page 3 post# 59
Then page 6 post# 102 and # 109
and thanks for posting thread thread Bio.

It's crazy to read through that thread and see all the members that used to be full-time posters here.. Very nostalgic.
 
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Everyone is making so many assumptions and there is so much bad logic.

In response to BMJ above:

1. It sounds to me like his doctor told him exactly what the issue was and it was the insulin.
2. Who cares about what his other issues were, if was other issues that would have been apparent to whoever treated him.
3. Diet doesn't mean shit really, it's more genetics for CAD when you talking about the heart. Plus he is going to be MASSIVELY insulin resistant (aka type II diabetes) from taking all that slin for sure.
4. Lipids? You are fooling yourself, lipids, and managing lipids, doesn't mean jack shit unless you already have CAD, studies prove this. I mean we don't even know if he had CAD, lipids have nothing to do with this.
5. Family history, doctor would have taken this into consideration, this is literally the first thing they do.
6. Cardio isn't going to prevent this.
7. Again, "improving lipids" does nothing in people without CAD.

Coaches AND SPORTS have a responsibility to protect athletes, at least to some extent. This is more heavily ingrained in more civilized cultures (European for example) than in American culture. The fact that bodybuilding doesn't do anything to protect the health of its athletes is a big reason why it will never go "mainstream" in its current state (let's face it, if it wasn't for the "dark side" of bodybuilding, it would be huge, media coverage, tv, etc).

Coaches that don't protect their athletes are going to start going down here at some point, I would guess we are on the cusp of massive legal action.
Again, "improving lipids" does nothing in people without CAD. - by this do you mean if your cac score calcium score is good you don't need to be overly concerned with your lipid panel?
 

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This has been discussed a lot here, but Kaladryn's comment saying he was "massively insulin resistant from that amount of insulin." Lots here say it's not really true as a rule, though I haven't analyzed data from a ton of insulin users.
And if it is true, does GH cause more or less insulin resistance than actual insulin? Any opinions? Luki has said IR doesn't really have much to do with exogenous insulin per se. It stands to reason that more insulin means potentially more resistance. Milos also only prescribes Humalog around marathon workouts so it's not active round the clock.

I know Chad Nicholls claims insulin stops working at all very quickly, so he recommends it only at a low dose a few times a week. I don't think it stops working quickly where you just have to keep escalating dose. If it was true diabetics would quickly die.
something stops working for a bodybuilder is way different than stop working for a diabetic. but ur point is valid the bodybuilders prescribe do a different set of math on everything we do.
 

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supposedly when he talked to Milos about the excessive insulin use and it causing him health problems, Milos belittled him and shit on him, which I think is a big reason why Mike is coming out publically and throwing Milos under the bus...

Ah, this I can see. Mike probably doesn't know that much so it's hard for him to argue with someone as opinionated as Milos. So then he went to Patrick who "doesn't believe in insulin." He confirmed his anti-insulin bias.

But like I said, he needs the roids so he can't blame them.
 

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something stops working for a bodybuilder is way different than stop working for a diabetic. but ur point is valid the bodybuilders prescribe do a different set of math on everything we do.

The way Chad has explained it, after a short period of regular insulin use you can take it, not eat, and it doesn't drop your blood sugar at all. Isn't really true. Doubt they even use a glucose monitor, just judge based on feel.
Chad's clients probably are very insulin resistant but for other reasons. If the average client eats 650-750 grams of protein, along with junk to get the required calories, how can you not be insulin resistant? Lol.
 

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I don't have all the answers to all this either, in regards to Mike. I will say, and in fairness to him, he did say multiple times he would not compete if it meant dying. OTH, he seems a little too optimistic in thinking he can compete again, at a high level, if his EF improved to 55% or above. I know there is some debate going on here about this, but there is no way in heck I would ever suggest he compete again. He can still get in great shape and use low dose trt (or lower), but his days of competing as a pro should be over, and I don't mean that as him not being able to do it mentally and physically, but his heart is now a weak link, and it will always be a weak link due to what maldorf state....at some point he had a healthy heart, he abused AAS/slin/HGH (not saying bad like some, but way above average or safe doses) to get where he was at, and he will not be able to do that anymore. That part that got him where he is at cannot be followed. I think he may be able to get more from less...ie Dusty Hanshaw and others (not saying I know what they take either), but who knows. It's still to be seen if whether or not he will even be able to continue training as hard as he has been, which the doctor is unaware of. I'm not saying he can't, I believe John Meadows is back to training hard now, but each case can be different, and it's an unknown until hopefully approved by a qualified physician/specialist, imo. There is no way he should try to gain weight/mass at this point, it would be counter-productive to his heart health, he needs to downsize for better health and longevity. If he cannot continue to gain size, which was his weak link against other pros, he will not be productive at those ranks. Furthermore, more drugs are needed during prep than off-season, to off-set catabolism. If he can't do either (gain size and use more during prep), he needs to wake-up and be responsible for his health, rather than a statistic for the grave. He can be a positive influence still at this point, be on hopefully some dose of trt, and still look great.

He seems like a good guy, and it sounds like he has a good family. There is so much more to life than bodybuilding, even if it was your full-time job. Not saying anything else will give him that "high" feeling of being on that stage and looking like a freak, so he will need to find that part to help fulfill himself.

I think he blames Milos, and i'm just guessing here so take it with a grain of salt, by how he felt. I think he was eating so much and gained weight and would be out of breath breathing harder, kind of like everybody else who is going for size and breaths hard or trying to tie their shoes and shit, etc.....and feels that is when things went wrong. Whether that is the case, following Milos's protocols, or not, he is just guessing based on how he feels. I think it's kind of weird he goes after Milos 2 years later though. He also had the heart problem in Feb of 2020, yet waits to come out until April of 2021 to say anything....just seems fishy to me. There are too many variables involved to say exactly what caused him to develop cardiomyopathy.

Was it the heavy AAS use from prior years? The quick weight gain with slin? His elevated BP...how long was it high before he was scripted meds? Did he already have some underlying issue putting him more at risk? I don't have that answer....but maybe, like I stated initially, it was a combo of multiple issues...dunno.

Also, and maybe some of you guys who have a stronger cardiology background can give your thoughts? What would be the chances that his allergic reaction to the GHRP-2 caused the cardiomyopathy? There was a member I knew at AFBoard years back, 2008-10, I think his name was bikercoz, who had an allergic reaction to a medication and it effected his heart and he ended up with cardiomyopathy and a low ejection fraction. I can't remember the specifics at this point, he mentioned that the cardiologists involved stated he was fine until the allergic reaction, and noted it as the cause. That board is no longer up, and I haven't seen that member around in a long time, but remember him discussing the issue. Thoughts??? This question will probably be lost in all m y jibberish above it, lol....maybe i'll repost this part of my post/question if it gets no replies:D
 

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I'm most of the way through his interview with G4P Nick. A few things that stand out:

Said he has been 290 @ 5'9. Ummmm..... I'm pretty sure this is much worse for the heart than Milo's insulin protocols.

Pays $1150 for rent and $1150 a month for his Serostim. Clearly not a financial planning wizard.

G4P Nick: "I'm not trying to through Milos under the bus. I don't even know him". And then pretty much the whole podcast he throws him under the bus.
 

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Been helping him over the last few weeks to the best of my ability. Showed him the studies to back up the supplements i recommend to him. Recommended a new diet protocol. Cited some drug studies he should contemplate before I saw what his doctor prescribed him. Showed him what he absolutely has to stay away from. He said his EF has been stuck at 45 for 6 months so lets see if i can get him back up to snuff.

Virtually all of you know this guy in the quotes below who was a household name a few years ago before going into really serious heart failure (cut and pasted) :

"Thank you. I remember going in to the hospital and them telling me my chances weren't good to make it through this. They gave me a 50% chance to survive the week in the state I was in. I worked hard to get my health back. I've got 4 kids, a lot of people counting on me. Thank you for all your help and everything that you do for the bodybuilding community."

I put 35% on his Ejection Fraction above and reduced his cardiomyopathy greatly with pretty much the same protocol so we shall see if I can pull Mike up also.....
 

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Been helping him over the last few weeks to the best of my ability. Showed him the studies to back up the supplements i recommend to him. Recommended a new diet protocol. Cited some drug studies he should contemplate before I saw what his doctor prescribed him. Showed him what he absolutely has to stay away from. He said his EF has been stuck at 45 for 6 months so lets see if i can get him back up to snuff.

Virtually all of you know this guy in the quotes below who was a household name a few years ago before going into really serious heart failure (cut and pasted) :

"Thank you. I remember going in to the hospital and them telling me my chances weren't good to make it through this. They gave me a 50% chance to survive the week in the state I was in. I worked hard to get my health back. I've got 4 kids, a lot of people counting on me. Thank you for all your help and everything that you do for the bodybuilding community."

I put 35% on his Ejection Fraction above and reduced his cardiomyopathy greatly with pretty much the same protocol so we shall see if I can pull Mike up also.....
For as much credit as you deserve with how you changed training in bodybuilding, you deserve even more credit for your efforts to restore people's health and teaching how to minimize damage for those in their prime.
 

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Much appreciated...I just kind of feel its my duty to get guys out of these messes...this endeavor has been good to me (mentally, physically, financially) and I feel I need to pay it forward.
 

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I feel much better seeing that he has a good corner behind him, and guiding him along the way! Hopefully he can post up continued updates on his status.
 
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Been helping him over the last few weeks to the best of my ability. Showed him the studies to back up the supplements i recommend to him. Recommended a new diet protocol. Cited some drug studies he should contemplate before I saw what his doctor prescribed him. Showed him what he absolutely has to stay away from. He said his EF has been stuck at 45 for 6 months so lets see if i can get him back up to snuff.

Virtually all of you know this guy in the quotes below who was a household name a few years ago before going into really serious heart failure (cut and pasted) :

"Thank you. I remember going in to the hospital and them telling me my chances weren't good to make it through this. They gave me a 50% chance to survive the week in the state I was in. I worked hard to get my health back. I've got 4 kids, a lot of people counting on me. Thank you for all your help and everything that you do for the bodybuilding community."

I put 35% on his Ejection Fraction above and reduced his cardiomyopathy greatly with pretty much the same protocol so we shall see if I can pull Mike up also.....
Hi Dante,

nice to see you are still around saving peoples lives..
Would you maybe share your insights about how to improve heart insufficience?
I am no huge bodybuilder, but i have some issues, partly due to genetic (Non-compaction cardiomyopathie) but also due to dumb shit from the past.
Right now my EF is around 38-40. I usually feel fine but there are days when i am out of breath, deep breathing is not possible. Going upstairs for 1 floor requires me to catch my breath at the top.. other days i feel perfectly fine. Right now i couldnt pinpoint what leads to those bad days. I feel like my fasting days (21h fast once a week), which i thought i do to improve health leads to those bad days.
I am on TRT (40mg Test Prop EOD) and on 2,5iu HGH (1iu morning, 1,5iu afternoon). I eat pretty low fats (maybe a mistake?) and i try to keep my estrogen @ the lower end of the range (due to water retention, maybe also a mistake since estrogen is somehow cardioprotective?).
I watch out for my Sodium intake (usually no more than 2,5g) and i drink quite a lot of water (mistake? right now around 6L daily water+coffee+light soda).
I take ubiquinol (200mg daily), fishoil, multi, zinc,vit D, D-ribose mixed with creatine+taurine+mag citrate. Melatonine+CBD OIl+ 5-htp prior to sleep.
Due to my heart issues, i am on 16mg candesartan + 5mg torasemide (low dose diuretic). BP is 116/66 - 120/75, however, my heart rate seems to be quite high (resting around 77-80)

I would be so happy if you could chime in and give some insight
thanks alot!
 

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