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kratom and phenibut

I checked out that site X thanks. Definitely worth a try!

good quality...i just cant risk that much rec meds while on high dose of gear, ACE inhibitors, statins, aspirin, ECA, T3 and so on... and all kinda of stuff to suppress side effects, I guess its time to take a break or go HRT with low gear doses and some GH, and enjoy life more...
 
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I'm literally sitting here getting sick thinking at the thought of choking down an ounce of kratom. Christ, you might as well be taking 512's at this point. It would probably even be cheaper.


I only tried like 5g of Red Vein once back when it was first coming out and people thought it was the next big thing. Really didn't do much. It's like Suboxone in the sense that it will get you well, but trust me there is definitely no opiate "high" in the true sense of the word regardless of how much you manage to eat. There's also a seemingly obvious cross-tolerance building effect to the full spectrum opiates. If you're generally opiate naive, then yeah, I can see the appeal.
 
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I'm a recovering addict

Choking it down is right. I go through periods of only being able to take caps or liquid extract. Looking to invest in a capsule machine soon.

I drink it with monster. I get a mouthful then dump a spoonful at a time on that and "GULP" without tasting the powder. Many times I've swallowed 40 grams only to projectile vomit it right back out. Anyway yeah it's a process
 
no idea about kratom causing water retention personally but didnt you have threads about rogaine giving you a puffy face and being on dnp (known for a lot of water retention while on it) in the past couple days?

My thoughts are it might be more related to those two factors, but idk.
 
I'm literally sitting here getting sick thinking at the thought of choking down an ounce of kratom. Christ, you might as well be taking 512's at this point. It would probably even be cheaper.


I only tried like 5g of Red Vein once back when it was first coming out and people thought it was the next big thing. Really didn't do much. It's like Suboxone in the sense that it will get you well, but trust me there is definitely no opiate "high" in the true sense of the word regardless of how much you manage to eat. There's also a seemingly obvious cross-tolerance building effect to the full spectrum opiates. If you're generally opiate naive, then yeah, I can see the appeal.

u can develop tolerance just like any other drug, in my case benzos - i take the same dose for years to b eable to get good sleep, and even if i quadripple it when on tren - it s not much of a difference - a dose that would probably knock out a newbie,,the only thing liver is used to eliminate what s not necessary and it takes a LOT of alcohol for me to get drunk, and a some rec drugs even i high doses dont even work on me...fo example miss Molly - tough was fake at 2 tabs til i had a date of mine wanted it and took one and said her face feels "numb"...weird...I ve never reponded well to chemicals...at the dentist office they give me 3-4 shots of local anesthetics b4 i get numb.last time the refused to work on me...or call an specialist to put under full anesthesia
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Try agmatine

Thanks. I'm reading about it now. I don't think I'll go back to using things like this for fun. It would be good to prevent the physical withdrawal.

I used kratom as an alternative to vicodin after a surgery a few years ago. It was great for pain relief, but I had to take it 4 times a day every day to not go through withdrawal. I wouldn't even use it for pain now unless it was a major emergency.
 
I got bezos Rx for sleep and i know the nasty withdrawal but decide to try phenibut as a substitute and krayom out of curiosity..dont think i ll be using kartom again till i figure what on combo with what cause dangerously high potassium levels...
Many years ago I had very strange weird heart arrhythmia after a dose of cialis....turned out it cause that by several various mechanisms, one of which could be hyerkaliemia just like viagra.....not everybody gets it but some ppl do, I was always curious why a single dose of cialis make me feel like shit for at least 12 hrs...still dont know the true reason...

Phenibut withdrawal is just as awful as xanax or klonopin withdrawal. Except klonopin withdrawal takes months instead of a week or two.
 
Phenibut withdrawal is just as awful as xanax or klonopin withdrawal. Except klonopin withdrawal takes months instead of a week or two.

I know, im just on that stuff for life I guess, if want an RX - i go and get it, if not I buy it online....my "addiction" goes as far as not stopping it but i dont feel the need to increase..i ve taught about a detox and not using it and still considering...the 10 day full detox with flumazenil was available only in 2 European countries till astyear, now they have it available in a clinic in AZ, completely desensitize ur GABA receptors in 10 days under medical supervision...but agan - u can have insufficiency of GABA genetically, although I ve never had issues sleeping until 26 after a very bad adrenal fatigue....apparently mostly in my head as far as sleeping but still...
...ey eventually soon they ll invent a benzo with no addictive effects....
 
For withdraw symptoms a long time ago I would get a bunch of Loperamide (Imodium) 2mg tablets and eat 50 - 72 at once.

Why?

Structurally Loparamide is identical to opium except for one molecule. That's why it's used for diarrhea. Opiates constipate. If taken in enough quantity it is equal to kratom for withdraw and its possible to nod off like on something harder. As with everything.. if taken to often it will cause withdraw symptoms also.
 
For withdraw symptoms a long time ago I would get a bunch of Loperamide (Imodium) 2mg tablets and eat 50 - 72 at once.

Why?

Structurally Loparamide is identical to opium except for one molecule. That's why it's used for diarrhea. Opiates constipate. If taken in enough quantity it is equal to kratom for withdraw and its possible to nod off like on something harder. As with everything.. if taken to often it will cause withdraw symptoms also.

Kratom is close to opium, but benzos are related to GABA...I mean when on gear and all side effects suppressants we gotta be a lot more careful that the average person....i take at leats 2 meds that can elevate my potassium ...add something t that that can also elevate potassium and I can really be in trouble....15 yago I ended up in ER with very high heart rate after smoking a joint and have a very thick blood from NOT too high amount of gear but no meds to prevent side effects such as cholesterol, hemat, platalets, and so on...my heart rate was 250
 
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This is OT for this thread but I found this by accident.
May be a stretch since this is in sheep using infusion but
I wonder if phenibut could increase test or help in PCT. Baclofen is very similar to phenibut and has been used as a phenibut substitute in phenibut withdrawal.

Endocrinology. 2000 Nov;141(11):3940-5.
A gamma-aminobutyric acidB agonist reverses the negative feedback effect of testosterone on gonadotropin-releasing hormone and luteinizing hormone secretion in the male sheep.

Jackson GL1, Wood SG, Kuehl DE.
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Abstract
Infusion of baclofen, a GABA(B) agonist, into the medial basal hypothalamus (MBH) of castrated rams rapidly increases LH pulse amplitude without altering pulse frequency. The objectives of this study were to determine whether baclofen infusion increased LH in testosterone (T)-treated and intact rams, the increased LH was due to increased GnRH release, and FSH secretion also was increased. In the first experiment we tested the main effects and interaction of baclofen and T on FSH and LH pulse patterns in castrated rams (n = 7). In the second experiment we determined whether baclofen affected GnRH and LH pulses in intact males. Microdialysis guide cannulae were implanted bilaterally into the MBH. After recovery of the animal from surgery, the MBH was perfused using concentric microdialysis probes (2-mm tip) with artificial cerebrospinal fluid (aCSF) for a 3-h control period followed by either aCSF or 1 mM baclofen for 4 h. Blood samples were taken at 10-min intervals. T suppressed mean LH concentrations (10.4 +/- 1.3 vs. 3.3 +/- 1.3 ng/ml) such that LH pulses were undetectable in some T-treated animals during the control period. The change (control period vs. drug infusion period) in mean LH was greater in response to baclofen than in response to aCSF and was not altered by T. The baclofen x T interaction was nonsignificant. Mean FSH was decreased by T, but was not altered by baclofen. In the second experiment hypophyseal portal blood was collected coincident with microdialysis. Infusion of baclofen into the MBH of intact males (n = 7) resulted within 1 h in the onset of frequent and robust GnRH pulses (0.10/h before baclofen vs. 1.57/h after baclofen) that were followed either immediately or gradually by coincident LH pulses. One interpretation is that baclofen acts downstream of the site of action of T. GABA(B) receptors may regulate pulse amplitude in both the presence and absence of T and regulate pulse frequency by modulating the inhibitory effect of T.

I'm not going to use pheni since I took it more than 10 years ago when it first came out. Had a rough time for awhile after stopping use. But this abstract was mildly interesting nonetheless.
 
Thanks. I'm reading about it now. I don't think I'll go back to using things like this for fun. It would be good to prevent the physical withdrawal.

I used kratom as an alternative to vicodin after a surgery a few years ago. It was great for pain relief, but I had to take it 4 times a day every day to not go through withdrawal. I wouldn't even use it for pain now unless it was a major emergency.

how long did it take you to get off kratom and get over the withdrawal symptoms before they went away?
 
I've taken Xanax phenibuit and other benzos on and off for a few years. I never dosed for longer then a week. I did have some minor withdraw from week long binges.

I can go several months without taking anything and after a single dose of Xanax or phenibuit I feel the rebound for a few days after it fucking sucks. I wonder if I fried my gaba receptors. I can't even use them sparingly anymore.
 
I'm a recovering addict

Choking it down is right. I go through periods of only being able to take caps or liquid extract. Looking to invest in a capsule machine soon.

I drink it with monster. I get a mouthful then dump a spoonful at a time on that and "GULP" without tasting the powder. Many times I've swallowed 40 grams only to projectile vomit it right back out. Anyway yeah it's a process
Have you thought about an extraordinarily slow taper? Maybe you're not interested in quitting kratom altogether, and far be it from me to preach (I use it too, just baby doses). But think about the advantages of tapering down slowly to a small dose. I took off out of town for a few days, left my stash at home, and felt just fine.

Perhaps you can weigh out 29 grams per dose for a week. Then 28 for a week. And so on. You get the idea. Me personally, I can't stand the idea of being completely dependent on something.

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well it turned out 5 g of Kratom the night before was what gave me the high potassium level - it was marked as CRITICAL at 7.2. Maybe it caused a reaction with something else I was taking but just retested a day later - yesterday, and new results showed normal
 
Ive never tried it yet but from what ive researched, one should only use Phenibut a couple times per week.

Im going to pick some up and use in a rotation..i like experimenting with stuff that help with stress, focus, nootropic type stuff.
 
Speaking of Kratom..i ran out recently and didnt have any for a couple days. Withdrawl was mild..nothing crazy.

For me in my current situation Kratom is excellent. I have 2 very young children(stressful house) work 2 jobs (alot of hours) and benefits are worth it to me.."right now".

Obviously abusing anything isnt good or healthy..i try and use that mentality for any substance.
 
Yesssr. Plus I take a minimum of 30-45 grams at a time.

hey if you have to take that much...your kratom is dogshit...just sayin...

tagamet(cimetidine) enhances kratom in a major way...my morning dose(10-11grams) hits hard and feels like hydros...

always rotate strains...i have 10 strains on hand and never take the same strain twice in a row...ive never developed tolerance.

i also keep my brain guessing by mixing random blends...

want to add...im an addict and used to iv oxys...hydromorphone...etc...
 
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hey if you have to take that much...your kratom is dogshit...just sayin...

tagamet(cimetidine) enhances kratom in a major way...my morning dose(10-11grams) hits hard and feels like hydros...

always rotate strains...i have 10 strains on hand and never take the same strain twice in a row...ive never developed tolerance.

i also keep my brain guessing by mixing random blends...

want to add...im an addict and used to iv oxys...hydromorphone...etc...

what is your daily dose of tagamet?
 

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