LBA's and insulin...

[terryd5150]

Anyone try these two together yet?


I was thinking this might be a good combo, didn't know if there was a good protocol to follow or not.

 

[lookingforanedge]

Let's let Phil chime in...I am interested to hear his thoughts on the subject

 

[DIEZEL666]

Bump.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Yes

Awesome combo. Anyone that buys from me, PM me.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Can slin increase uptake and effectiveness of the glycerol as well?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Awesome find

This is another thing that makes the LBAs such an awesome product.

 

[maldorf]

Im using the 2 postworkout and think its an effective combo. Hard to quantify it, but I feel like recuperation is better.

 

[mule]

This was my idea on them as well and actually the main reason i want to try them. I am sure all of you know about milos Sarecevs ideas about insulin and the 3 shake thing where you have a drink pre , middle and post workout . He tells you that insulin can greatly inprove this protocal but will not tell you how he uses it. what i think he does is really uses a small amount of insulin pre workout and that is it. I am almost certain he uses the insulin preworkout not post because it would make more sense based on his 3 shake theory. I would also think humilin r would be a better choice as you could line it up better to be absorbed by all 3 shakes then eat a real meal a little after your workout it done. I think humilin is a safer product as well, i agree with BIG A on that. It has a more natural curve to it absorption and you could take adavanatge of that to give more gains with teh 3 shake protocal.

now as far as LBA's are concerned my idea was to replace all the protein and aminos in the Milos 3 shake protocal with LBA's. I really think they would be even better as they should get into the blood stream very quickly and the gycerol would help as well. Along with the insulin you will have no choice but to blow up. I really think milos 3 shake thing makes very good sense. delivering nutrients when blood flow is at its highest leval would create better gains for sure. I do have one problem with it but i think this can be eliminated . the problem is, if look at his shake mixes there is a shitload of stiff in there which i think would make it difficult to drink and still work out.I would think it is hard to work out with all of that in your stomach. I know many of you have presented the same concern. the volume of the drink seems like too much. My idea to get around this is to cut out everything you really do not need, cut volume and use products that are easily digested very quickly and do not feel like they are sitting in your stomach , you cannot have this heavy gut feeling and work out hard. So number one is the liquid for the drink . i would use coconut water. you guys really have to read up on this stuff. it will act as the vehicle for simple carbs, and electorlytes all in one. No need to have water and add all this powder to it. On its own it is basically the perfect rehydrating drink and you body will suck it up like sponge it will not just sit in you stomach like plain water does, it goes down way easier , i have drank it in high volume during workouts and you feel great. it also has the simple carbs you need for this protocal so you would not have to add them to the water like the reguler shakes in milos protocal , this by itself will tremendously cut down on the volume of the shake.coconut water will beat any isolated simple sugars you could possibly use in you shake , the stuff is amazing. it rehydrates the body and will keep you from cramping. it has lots of magnesium and potassuim in it.
Funny thing Phil mentioned pedialyte used as an IV ,well coconut water has been used for years as an IV especially in wars where reguler IV is not available. It has save thousands of lives as an IV.

Research has shown it to be best fresh but there are some good brands out there.

This is the brand i use
**broken link removed**


second we have all heard just a little amount of LBA's replaces all the protein powder and Aminos we have take have taken previously, So a light bulb went off in my head thinking how great it would be if LBAs can replace all the Protein poweder and Aminos/bcaas is Milos drinks. This would cut much of the rest of the added bulk of the drink way down.


Anyone else think this is a great idea? I think it is the perfect way to bring together Milos intra workout shake idea , insulin and LBAs and should really pack some muscle on.

I would have bought the LBA's already if they did not have sucralose in it but will probably do it anyways as I really think LBAs used with insulin in that 3 shake protocal will make you blow up big time, as soon as i saw lba i though this is what they are perfect for. that and as something to have before bed and if you wake up during the night

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Mule

This was my idea on them as well and actually the main reason i want to try them. I am sure all of you know about milos Sarecevs ideas about insulin and the 3 shake thing where you have a drink pre , middle and post workout . He tells you that insulin can greatly inprove this protocal but will not tell you how he uses it. what i think he does is really uses a small amount of insulin pre workout and that is it. I am almost certain he uses the insulin preworkout not post because it wouldmake more sense based on his 3 shake theory. I would also think humilin r wouldbe a better choice as you could line it up better to be absorbed by all 3 shakes then eat a real meal a little after your workout it done. I think humilin is a safer product as well, i agree with BIG A on that. It has a more natural curve to it absorption and you could take adavanatge of that to give more gains with teh 3 shake protocal.

now as far as LBA's are concerned my idea was to replace all the protein and aminos in the Milos 3 shake protocal with LBA's. I reall think they would be even better as they should get into the blood stream very quickly and the gycerol would help as well. Along with the insulin you will have no choice but to blow up. I really think milos 3 shake thing makes very good sense. delivering nuitrients when blood flow is atg its highest would create better gains for sure. I do have one problem with it but i think this can be eliminated . teh problem is if look at his shake mixes thereis a shitload of stiff in there which i think would make it difficult to drink and still work out.I would think it is hard to work out with all of that in your stomach. I know many of you have presented the same concern. the volumeof teh drink seems like too much. My idea to get around this is to cut out everything you do not need, cut volume and use products that are easily digested very quickly and do not feel like they are sitting in your stomach, you cannot have this feeling and work hard. So number one as the liquid for the drink . i would use coconut water. you guys really have to read up on this stuff. On its own it is basically the perfect drink and you body will suck it up like sponge it will not just sit in you stomach like plain water does, it goes down way easier , i have drank it in hight volume during workouts and you feel great. it also has teh simple carbs you needfor this protocal so you would not have to add them to the water like the reguler shakes in milos protocal , this by itself will tremendously cut down on the volume of the shape.coconut water will beat any isolated simpole sugars you could possibly use in you shake , the stuff is amazing. it rehydrates the body and will keep you from cramping. it has lots of magnesium and potassuim in it.
Funny thing Phil mentioned pedialyte used as an IV ,well coconut water has been used for years as an IV especially in wars where reguler IV is not available. It has save thousands of lives as an IV.

Research has shown it to be best fresh but there are some good brands out there.

This is the brand i use
**broken link removed**


second we have all heard just a little amount of LBA's replaces all the protein powder and Aminos we have take have taken previously, So a light bulb went off in my head thinking how great it would be if LBAs can replace all the Protein poweder and Aminos/bcaas is Milos drinks. This would cut much of the rest of the added bulk of the drink


Anyone else think this is a great idea? I think it is the perfect way to bring together Milos intra workout shake idea , insulin and LBAs and should really pack some muscle on.

I would have bough the LBA's already if they did not have sucralose in it but will probably do it anyways as I really think LBAs used with insulin in that 3 shake protocal will make you blow up big time, as soon as i saw lba i though this is what they are perfect for. that and as something to have before bed and if you wake up during the night

BINGO!! Glad you are here!!!! Nice job.

 

[rmtt]

MMMMMMM!

Coconut water and Chocolate LBA's.

Kind of like a liquid Macaroon.

 

[mule]

BINGO!! Glad you are here!!!! Nice job.

i have a feeling this is going to be a very popular thread.

Now i always want people to be careful and know what they are doing but
My feelings on insulin are if used properly that it is actually safer than steroids espcially when people start using high does of AAS. insulin if used properly has basically no side eefects to speak of and i belive it a much better choice then progressing using 5 or 6 drugs in high doses or even like 2 grams of test. people start using so many other drugs to then combat sides from the high does, which i feel is not good. you start using these high doses and i think eventually you are heading for problems health wise. if abused insulin can produce sides worse than AAS as well so make sure you know what your doing.

A lot of people laugh at the suggestions that some pros do not use massive doses but i feel it could be true. if you properly use insulin with a protocal like this you gain some serious mass. People think milos is full of shit when you could use this protocal and gain 20-30-40 pds. but i could be possible. Proper insulin use and along with proper nutrient timing could make huge difference. If you guys have not read it , i would pick up the flex magazine where Milos introduces this idea . It makes sense and is one of teh few original ideas in bodybuilding nutrtion that has come out lately that could really make a difference. IMO he is a very bright mind

 

[km2000]

mule.

great info man, i have used the coconut water befor and can attest to its effictivness. i just got a few baby coconuts from wild oats and cut em open and drank the water, good stuff definatly.... i have a book called 'coconut cures' that has a lot of the info you just presented in it, anyone wating to learn more about this should pick up the book...

have you ever had realy coconut water from a coconut fresh? just wondering how it is compared to the drinks you posted links to ?

i used the coconut water after my last show to rehydrate myself and get some electrolytes back in me and it worked very well! plus it tastes great!

do you have to nutrition info for coconut water?

 

[mule]

just top clarify to everyone before there is any confusion this is coconut water not coconut milk which is a populer product made from the inside meat coconut and is mostly fat, coconut fat or oil is excellent as well for many many reasons it i just not for what i am talking about here. This is coconut water which is taken from young green coconuts has no fat at all and is perfect pre, during and post workout. it is made up electrolytes, minerals vitamins and even a bit of protein all in a form that your body will soak up. it is easily digestable and quickly absorbed. it wil work well with insulin and on another note people use it for handgovers as well , lol even though i do not drink personally.

 

[mule]

mule.

great info man, i have used the coconut water befor and can attest to its effictivness. i just got a few baby coconuts from wild oats and cut em open and drank the water, good stuff definatly.... i have a book called 'coconut cures' that has a lot of the info you just presented in it, anyone wating to learn more about this should pick up the book...

have you ever had realy coconut water from a coconut fresh? just wondering how it is compared to the drinks you posted links to ?

i used the coconut water after my last show to rehydrate myself and get some electrolytes back in me and it worked very well! plus it tastes great!

do you have to nutrition info for coconut water?

again because of my location i have never had fresh coconut water, i shoul dmove down to california so i can have all the raw dairy and fresh raw coconut water i want lol
after researching thouhgh i have read many testamonials of people whohave drank fresh coconut water all there lives and they say coco vita and a few other brands taste just like real thing. if you can get the fresh stuff straight from the coconut though i would use that. Many places in the world outside the US you can get the fresh stuff for dirt cheap. i heard one place in the US though where it is common on the streets in Miami.

Coco vita is flash pasteurized for only 3 seconds which is the legal smallest amount of time, they do not use reguler pastuerization or even worse ultra pastuerized.I would think it is is pretty close to the real thing because many people who have grown up with the real thing say it taste the same. Also the results from man people are good as well. I personally feel good drinking it so i think this small 3 second pasteurirziation leaves most of what is good intact. With pasteurized milk right away you can tell a taste difference like it is not even close to the taste of raw so i think the fact many expeirienced users say the coco vita it taste the same it a good sign.


i will post more nutritional info later

 

[tonka]

u get can get all the coconuts you want here in hawaii .... I never knew that coconot oil had soo much benefits...I've drank fresh coconut water before but never really cared for the taste of it...

 

[mule]

u get can get all the coconuts you want here in hawaii .... I never knew that coconot oil had soo much benefits...I've drank fresh coconut water before but never really cared for the taste of it...

both the coconut water and coconut oil are great for you.

you might want to look at the coconut water again. you have access to it in Hawaii so easily and it very good for you. this is much much healthier than any sports drink and will rehydrate you better. it can help with performance for any athletic activity.

 

[tonka]

both the coconut water and coconut oil are great for you.

you might want to look at the coconut water again. you have access to it in Hawaii so easily and it very good for you. this is much much healthier than any sports drink and will rehydrate you better. it can help with performance for any athletic activity.

thanks Mule, I will give it another try!

 

[rmtt]

I'm not experienced with insulin, and I apologize if this is a stupid question...

But how much more does insulin positively affect uptake of nutrients into the muscle cells than just the action of working out (which increases insulin sensitivity if I read right) coupled with a fast acting carb?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

FACTORS

I'm not experienced with insulin, and I apologize if this is a stupid question...

But how much more does insulin positively affect uptake of nutrients into the muscle cells than just the action of working out (which increases insulin sensitivity if I read right) coupled with a fast acting carb?

DEPENDS UPON MANY THINGS. WEIGHT, WHAT ACTIVITY LEVEL YOU HAVE JUST PARTICIPATED IN, HOW INSULIN SENSITIVE YOUR TISSUE IS, WHAT AMOUNT OF AAS YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON, ETC....

 

[rmtt]

DEPENDS UPON MANY THINGS. WEIGHT, WHAT ACTIVITY LEVEL YOU HAVE JUST PARTICIPATED IN, HOW INSULIN SENSITIVE YOUR TISSUE IS, WHAT AMOUNT OF AAS YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON, ETC....

Great!!!

More variables to add into the mix. I can see how things can get so complicated so easily now.