Let's talk Increlex?

ALLEX · Jan 2, 2014

iintensity said:
Increase in muscle fibers and hypertrophy.

Is Iplex stronger than Increlex then?

superbigd · Jan 2, 2014

PHIL HERNON said:
Oh its not hard to find pics of Phil.........He has transformed himself into a really good body builder. I just looked on the National championship page and saw his pic. I was pretty impressed actually. Now to find someone such as yourself or Elvia, I would have to search pretty hard and in some questionable places to find those pictures....which I don't have the time for.

No not really, actually just check your mom's phone she should still have some left

Jk but you set yourself up for that. But all jokes aside you decided to call out an additional two people for pictures because they disagree with the way you conduct your business. Does seem a little weird borderline creepy. I don't need to validate myself and I'm sure others don't as well by wasting our time posting a picture so a guy on a message board can judge us on how we look.

All I'm saying is the reason i wanted to read this thread was to possibly learn something new and NOT to read about products getting pushed thanks for ur understanding

PHIL HERNON · Jan 4, 2014

Well

superbigd said:
No not really, actually just check your mom's phone she should still have some left

Jk but you set yourself up for that. But all jokes aside you decided to call out an additional two people for pictures because they disagree with the way you conduct your business. Does seem a little weird borderline creepy. I don't need to validate myself and I'm sure others don't as well by wasting our time posting a picture so a guy on a message board can judge us on how we look.

All I'm saying is the reason i wanted to read this thread was to possibly learn something new and NOT to read about products getting pushed thanks for ur understanding

Then why are you on this site? Everyone here sells something. I'm sure your job sustains itself selling something. That argument is about as bad as Queefers lat spread. Here is the sad truth. You guys want to be pro bodybuilders but can't. I am a pro and trust me it's not a big deal but you or muck muck or Chode will never ever know.

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dragonfire101 · Jan 4, 2014

These threads are pointless. Some secret IGF1 isn't going to make you a pro, and just because pros sell supplements doesn't mean buying from them are going to make you a pro, and just because your a pro doesn't mean you know all about chemicals, nutrition, training and drugs and or will make someone else a pro even if you do.

It pretty much common sense stuff. Not sure why people don't get it! :banghead:

PHIL HERNON · Jan 4, 2014

Yes exactly

dragonfire101 said:
These threads are pointless. Some secret IGF1 isn't going to make you a pro, and just because pros sell supplements doesn't mean buying from them are going to make you a pro, and just because your a pro doesn't mean you know all about chemicals, nutrition, training and drugs and or will make someone else a pro even if you do.

It pretty much common sense stuff. Not sure why people don't get it! :banghead:

So stop the nonsense and start accepting your limitations. It's too late for you guys as if you wanted to truly be a pro you need to start listening to other pros here who speak truth instead of some Internet guru who sold you a bill of goods. Your loss fellas. It is what it is. Next time a pro decides to come here it may be a good idea to pay attention.

marshallmadman · Jan 4, 2014

I think if you started a poll, you would find a very low percentage of members of this site want to be professional bodybuilders. I think they just have more fun hypothesizing over some "magic compound" that's responsible for someone else's gains.

I personally believe that a lot of what these guys are doing in the gym combined with some of the chemicals is responsible for the new crop of freaky physiques. They are figuring out training techniques that work hand in hand with the IGF-1 and GH to split muscle fibers and take physiques above and beyond what was previously thought possible. I'm talking about Ramy, Flex Lewis, Phil Heath, Dennis Wolf, Kai Greene, etc.

Hyperplasia can be achieved (an increase in muscle cells, not just making existing cells bigger) through pharmaceutical assistance combined with the right training techniques. It's my belief that this may be more and more what we are seeing at work.

ALLEX · Jan 4, 2014

marshallmadman said:
I think if you started a poll, you would find a very low percentage of members of this site want to be professional bodybuilders. I think they just have more fun hypothesizing over some "magic compound" that's responsible for someone else's gains.

Exactly.

I've never wanted to be a pro and even if someone comes with a log showing a crazy transformation from whatever magical compound there's out there, I won't be chasing it high and low.

I'd like to know for fun. Maybe if I was younger...

TNH · Jan 4, 2014

Nice post, I agree.

marshallmadman said:
I think if you started a poll, you would find a very low percentage of members of this site want to be professional bodybuilders. I think they just have more fun hypothesizing over some "magic compound" that's responsible for someone else's gains.

I have no desire to be a pro BB, but I did at one point have a desire to gain some good size as fast as I could, so I figure these were the guys to ask. I have never been big on the 'who's taking what' discussions, I personally think its great genes with the same damn drugs as everyone else, but whatever....it will always be a hot topic on these forums. People want that special compound that will make the difference for them and put them in the pro ranks.
Truly effective things never remain secrets for long. If some magic drug exists, it will be brought into the spotlight rapidly, much like tren was after showing the world its very obvious recomping effects on everyone that touched it.

Mike Arnold said:
Remember back in the 90's, before tren was readily available to the typical steroid user? I remember guys claiming that Parabolan was so strong, that advanced steroid users were adding 20-25 lbs of muscle from a single bottle. Yeah, r-i-i-i-i-i-ght. Well, we all know better now...because NO ONE is gaining 25 lbs of muscle from a gram of tren.

Now that was one drug that was almost as strong as its hype. I brewed my first batch in the late 90's (was a little late on the bandwagon) and honestly felt like I had done my first cycle all over again since the results were so dramatic. Still no AAS that burns fat like that either, it truly is the miracle drug IMO, I can see why it was hyped up so much.... all this other peps and stuff I don't get, people hyping up various brands of obscure new drugs that have no proven record. Even if the crazy results were there, how does anyone know if they are effective since they add them to their extensive AAS stacks?

zaosha · Jan 4, 2014

marshallmadman said:
I think if you started a poll, you would find a very low percentage of members of this site want to be professional bodybuilders. I think they just have more fun hypothesizing over some "magic compound" that's responsible for someone else's gains.

I personally believe that a lot of what these guys are doing in the gym combined with some of the chemicals is responsible for the new crop of freaky physiques. They are figuring out training techniques that work hand in hand with the IGF-1 and GH to split muscle fibers and take physiques above and beyond what was previously thought possible. I'm talking about Ramy, Flex Lewis, Phil Heath, Dennis Wolf, Kai Greene, etc.

Hyperplasia can be achieved (an increase in muscle cells, not just making existing cells bigger) through pharmaceutical assistance combined with the right training techniques. It's my belief that this may be more and more what we are seeing at work.

How would this hypothesis explain why some trainees reach the top of the sport with high volume-moderate weight training while other guys use heavy weight-low volume? How would it explain most pros hitting each body part once/week while others like Heath train everything twice/week?

Despite the fairy tales about super-secret drugs, these guys are all on pretty much the same shit since the late 1990's - if one training methodology really optimized results everyone would be using it, but that clearly isn't the case. Most guys will tell you that they get results from a variety of training techniques as long as the diet and drugs are in check.

Most of the guys who insist there is a drug secret - Myo-inhibitors, next-gen peptides, next-gen prohormones, etc - are trying to sell you a drug. Most of the guys trying to convince you there is a magic training protocol are trying to sell you training.

The guys with the genetics do the shit Big A posted years ago and make it to the pros. The guys without the genetics post about the secrets of the pros on the internet and line the pockets of guys who claim to have them.

And no human trial has ever compared cross-sectional area of muscle mass/fiber number before and after a training and/or drug protocol. All we know from the human research

marshallmadman · Jan 4, 2014

You actually knowing how the top guys actually train is as likely as you knowing their drug schedule in detail. What's actually done and what's in the magazines are two different things.

zaosha said:
How would this hypothesis explain why some trainees reach the top of the sport with high volume-moderate weight training while other guys use heavy weight-low volume? How would it explain most pros hitting each body part once/week while others like Heath train everything twice/week?

Despite the fairy tales about super-secret drugs, these guys are all on pretty much the same shit since the late 1990's - if one training methodology really optimized results everyone would be using it, but that clearly isn't the case. Most guys will tell you that they get results from a variety of training techniques as long as the diet and drugs are in check.

Most of the guys who insist there is a drug secret - Myo-inhibitors, next-gen peptides, next-gen prohormones, etc - are trying to sell you a drug. Most of the guys trying to convince you there is a magic training protocol are trying to sell you training.

The guys with the genetics do the shit Big A posted years ago and make it to the pros. The guys without the genetics post about the secrets of the pros on the internet and line the pockets of guys who claim to have them.

And no human trial has ever compared cross-sectional area of muscle mass/fiber number before and after a training and/or drug protocol. All we know from the human research

Queefer · Jan 4, 2014

PHIL HERNON said:
Then why are you on this site? Everyone here sells something. I'm sure your job sustains itself selling something. That argument is about as bad as Queefers lat spread. Here is the sad truth. You guys want to be pro bodybuilders but can't. I am a pro and trust me it's not a big deal but you or muck muck or Chode will never ever know.

You are? I had no idea. This is the first time you have ever told us.

zaosha · Jan 4, 2014

marshallmadman said:
You actually knowing how the top guys actually train is as likely as you knowing their drug schedule in detail. What's actually done and what's in the magazines are two different things.

Guess where these guys train?

At commercial fucking gyms with other human beings. Hell, I lived maybe 30min from Metroflex until 1997. I never bothered, but I knew plenty of guys who went there and watched Ronnie lift.

Lots of guys here have trained alongside pros. Also, the same guys Kai, Heath, and all the rest use as trainers and drug gurus have been hired by people right here and elsewhere. You pony up the cash and these guys will train and write cycles for you too.

Let me repeat, there are no secrets. Big A and other pros on this forum have said it again and again. Dante has worked with plenty of top national and pro competitors and he has said it. There is no secret other than being born with top genetics.

Bust your ass in the gym, eat enough to grow, and shoot a couple grams of test/week. If you aren't dwarfing everyone in your gym after a year or two of this and looking at doing serious damage on stage, then you don't have it and you aren't going to find it in a bottle.

And if Dennis Wolf has secret hyperplasia-juice, someone needs to suggest that he inject some in his calves already.

Green_Fjord · Jan 4, 2014

zaosha said:
And if Dennis Wolf has secret hyperplasia-juice, someone needs to suggest that he inject some in his calves already.

Excellent! I like your posts.

Genetics. Response to drugs being a huge part of it.

PHIL HERNON · Jan 4, 2014

HAhahhha

Queefer said:
You are? I had no idea. This is the first time you have ever told us.

Yes sir! Its what you always dreamed of but cant have........but keep boat loading the drugs!

PHIL HERNON · Jan 4, 2014

Yes

zaosha said:
Guess where these guys train?

At commercial fucking gyms with other human beings. Hell, I lived maybe 30min from Metroflex until 1997. I never bothered, but I knew plenty of guys who went there and watched Ronnie lift.

Lots of guys here have trained alongside pros. Also, the same guys Kai, Heath, and all the rest use as trainers and drug gurus have been hired by people right here and elsewhere. You pony up the cash and these guys will train and write cycles for you too.

Let me repeat, there are no secrets. Big A and other pros on this forum have said it again and again. Dante has worked with plenty of top national and pro competitors and he has said it. There is no secret other than being born with top genetics.

Bust your ass in the gym, eat enough to grow, and shoot a couple grams of test/week. If you aren't dwarfing everyone in your gym after a year or two of this and looking at doing serious damage on stage, then you don't have it and you aren't going to find it in a bottle.

And if Dennis Wolf has secret hyperplasia-juice, someone needs to suggest that he inject some in his calves already.

Thank God someone said this........you cats keep chasing your tails and boatloading drugs and pretending to sign up for shows but never show up (Queefer)

Queefer · Jan 4, 2014

PHIL HERNON said:
Thank God someone said this........you cats keep chasing your tails and boatloading drugs and pretending to sign up for shows but never show up (Queefer)

Just did a show in November and there were 7 superheavies. I won my class

Have you ever told the truth about anything in your entire life?

PHIL HERNON · Jan 4, 2014

Well

Queefer said:
Just did a show in November and there were 7 superheavies. I won my class

Have you ever told the truth about anything in your entire life?

What are you babbling about you mouth breathing sloth? Hahahaha. This is a body building site not a cry to the MODS shelter.