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here is another BS article (**broken link removed**) from SI.com where it has a picture of eddie guerrero that says he died of an enlarged heart that is linked to steroid use. They don't want to bring up the fact that he was also an abuser of many different drugs, mainly cocaine.
I find it more comical then anything else that it is a surprise that bodybuilders and wrestlers do steroids. Wrestlers are not considered athletes (not that they are not athletic or anything), but they are entertainers. It is very sad that the public is not properly educated on steroids. All we see are these people who are so against them, but they have ZERO proof of any long term effects in HEALTHY MALE ADULTS.
The poster boy for steroids leading to cancer is Lyle Alzado....but the thing about steroids leading to his brain cancer is unfounded and not true according to his doctor! It's just some more BS that the media is uninformed about when they write about this subject.
I find it more comical then anything else that it is a surprise that bodybuilders and wrestlers do steroids. Wrestlers are not considered athletes (not that they are not athletic or anything), but they are entertainers. It is very sad that the public is not properly educated on steroids. All we see are these people who are so against them, but they have ZERO proof of any long term effects in HEALTHY MALE ADULTS.
The poster boy for steroids leading to cancer is Lyle Alzado....but the thing about steroids leading to his brain cancer is unfounded and not true according to his doctor! It's just some more BS that the media is uninformed about when they write about this subject.
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Steroids suck and should be illegal...there are much healthier things that are legal to use like cigarettes and alcohol.
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LMAO ... or at least it would be funny if you didn't hit the nail on the head there. They would save a lot more lives by shutting down McDonald's than pharmacies...Enanthanator said:
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the dea has a quota.. and steroids are easy targets.. if you were to ask dea agents about gear most would say it is a non issue.. look at the crime stats that the news has been posting.. rec drug use is up.. college drug use is up 50%.. the list from alc to cocain is skyrocketing.. the dea is helpless.. they look bad.. but, if ya can sensationalize a steroid bust.. and largely exaggerate the side effect so mom and dad are freaking out while they sit in front of the the tv and smoke and drink to excess.. old mom and dad can sleep at night knowing that the insidious dbol is off the streets....they have a captive audience.. but , watch.. the elections are up and dont think that someone will not bring up the staggering increases in cocain use, pot, alc, ect ect.. and lets see the attention shift.. they dont like little bobby going off to college to pop some dbol.. but, the thought of little bobby going off to college and snorting coke and using xtacy ect scares them more..
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massive g just posted a good article the la times printed about gear use in their paper over at musclemayhem.. can someone copy and paste it over here?.. my computer is screwed up.. or me..
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Enanthanator said:
Those drugs promote the worst in people. (Booze and smokes)
Why do steriod busts cause so much sensation?
1) The atheletes and generally the most sucessfull people in their athletic discipline use performance enhancing drugs, therefore they are big name targets and draw attention, credibiity, and legitimise where the tax dollars are being spent...in the latest bust with signtature, look at the names that were dropped, I am surprised that they all still have their toes. Billy the local pot head won't add credibility to the amount of effort it takes make a bust.
2) Not many doctors are willing to risk their reputations (see bank accounts) and exisiting relationships with the big pharm companies to take a stand and lobby for a study and improve regulations and laws around anabolics. If enough of the medical community get's behind it, they add the much needed credibility, Every pharm company would more than happy to make the analbolics for the human body, with the proper laws and regulations, and health practioner approval.
3) If the community only had a champion that could intelligently lobby and promote the long term intelligent use, this person should also be a multiple mr olympia winner, and be able to garner national attention, perhaps be the govenor of influnetial state, and have enough personal wealth not to be easily influenced by undehanded government techniques...if only a person like that were willing to take a stand.
Cheers!
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terorism ,pitbull attacks,shark attacks ,steroids sell papers etc.The media circus.Have you seen the documentary showing how bi laden and al queada are a figment of the medias imagination its bullcrap not the bin laden thing.the media thing is bullcrap.How about anna nicoles death getting so much coverage almost as much as 9-11 thats not right
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I don't think it's a quota thing. I think it's because it has become a banner for the republican platform. President Bush talked about steroids in baseball in his State of the Union address two years ago. You are right, it is easy....very easy to target recreational steroid users and because of that it is very easy to make it look like you're making a difference in this huge problem. I'm so sick of seeing the media pull out parents of children that commit suicide and listening to them blame steroids. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but if you kill yourself you have serious fucking mental problems way before you ate 1 anadrol pill. I'll be the first to admit, we take our chances putting foreign substances in our bodies, especially ( and no offense to any sources, I personally love a couple UG labs) all the UG labs. There is no way for us to determine if it is sterile. There is no FDA monitoring the process. Aspirin kills more people every year the steroids. How many shooting or stabbing deaths are there every year in this country. Some one shoots somebody and the gun isn't blamed. It's the fucking psychotic sociopath that did it. Why can I go an buy uzis but not a bottle of test? You can die from anesthesia but yet they don't stop operating. Why can a 16 year old girl go to a plastic surgeon and get their nose shaved, lipo their stomach, and get fake tits? Frankenstein operations have become the norm and no one finds this unacceptable. People get their fucking stomachs stapled because they have no fucking self control. I do believe that there is a very small percent that do have a physicall problem but most people are just fat and lazy. Why can a mother try and sue McDonald's because she didn't know that feeding it to her son 3 times a day would make him fat. OMG, sorry for the rant
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Lats, here is the article
A bit long but worth the read if you want to see a different article out there on AAS.
"The case for steroids
Exercisers and nonprofessional athletes who use the drugs just to bulk up think risks are exaggerated. There's little evidence to dispute their claim.
By Jacqueline Stenson
Special to The Times
March 19, 2007
UNLIKE professional athletes who use anabolic steroids to improve their game, a 27-year-old mortgage broker in Orange County turned to "the juice" for reasons of pure vanity, "as simple as a looking-good thing."
At the suggestion of a bodybuilder friend, he purchased a round of the drugs — including oral and injectable steroids, as well as injectable human growth hormone — for $1,000 in Mexico a few years ago. The drugs helped him buff up in just six months. "My arms went from 15 inches to 17 inches," said the broker.
But what about side effects? Did his testicles shrink or his hair fall out? Did he suffer a stroke or heart attack? Did he develop 'roid rage or man-breasts?
Denying them all, he laughed, saying the risks of the drugs have been overblown: "They definitely get a bad rap."
Doping scandals may be rocking the sports world, but fitness experts say there's a quiet, yet likely much bigger, trend — performance-enhancer use among guys who just want to bulk up and have little or no fear about taking illegal and potentially dangerous drugs to do so.
Many exercisers and recreational athletes believe that doctors, public-health experts, politicians and the media have greatly exaggerated the side effects of performance enhancers, especially steroids, the most recognized — and believed to be the most widely used — muscle-building drugs.
When combined with strength-training, anabolic steroids, which are synthetic versions of the natural hormone testosterone, promote muscle growth and allow exercisers to train harder and more frequently. Men who start seeing results with steroids may be tempted to "stack" them with other performance-enhancers, such as human growth hormone and clenbuterol.
Steroids are particularly popular because they're known to yield results, are commonly available at gyms and the Internet and come in various forms such as pills, injections and creams. By comparison, growth hormone, for instance, must be injected and is typically much more expensive.
In sports, the main criticism of doping is that it's cheating, and athletes' biggest risk is getting booted from their sports or being stripped of medals and honors if use is detected. But run-of-the-mill gym-goers don't worry too much about getting busted. Though performance enhancers are illegal when used for nonmedical purposes, the greater risk of getting caught generally lies more with sellers rather than buyers.
There are no solid up-to-date statistics on use of steroids or other performance enhancers in the adult population, but public-health officials, exercise researchers and trainers believe it's increasing, especially among men wanting to get buff.
A nationwide household survey published in 1993 in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., the most comprehensive population-wide study to date, estimated that more than 1 million people, including teens, had used or were using anabolic steroids.
"I think that's low-balling it now," says study author Charles Yesalis, a professor emeritus of exercise and sport science at Penn State and editor of "Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise."
Many gym-goers who use performance enhancers see them as no riskier — and perhaps less so — than surgical cosmetic fixes.
Los Angeles personal trainer Rob Parr describes an acquaintance with a "waistline like Santa Claus" who used steroids over several years to transform himself into a Rambo look-alike. The man, in his 30s, avoided alcohol and ate a healthful diet, Parr says, and simply didn't think steroids posed a threat. There's even an attitude in gyms that there is "steroid use" and "steroid abuse," and that the muscle men are the go-to guys for "safe," reasonable steroid advice, as opposed to doctors and others in the medical community whom they believe exaggerate the dangers.
The medical community's credibility gap with gym-goers dates back to the 1970s and '80s, when early studies concluded that steroids didn't boost muscle mass and may be no better than placebos, says Cedric Bryant, chief science officer for the American Council on Exercise, a nonprofit fitness group based in San Diego.
"All the people in the gym knew that was nonsense," Bryant says. The problem with the studies is they involved medicinal doses, he says, not the amounts athletes and bodybuilders take — which could be 10 to 100 times higher.
No one knows for certain just how dangerous it is to use high doses of anabolic steroids for extended periods of time.
"There has not been one epidemiological study of the long-term health effects of steroids," says Yesalis. "But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Still, anabolic steroids have been used in medicine for decades, for conditions such as muscle wasting and anemia, at lower doses, and doctors and researchers do know the drugs have potential to cause side effects.
Medical studies, for instance, have found that, in men, anabolic steroids can cause acne, testicular shrinkage, infertility, breast enlargement, reduced "good" cholesterol, elevated "bad" cholesterol and liver tumors when used as a contraceptive, hormone replacement or anemia treatment. Case reports have linked high doses of anabolic steroids to stroke, heart attacks and cancer, though these associations aren't proven.
The effects can vary dramatically according to the type of steroid taken, the dose, duration of use, the age the person began using and other factors.
"They are clearly not harmless," Yesalis says.
He and others believe the risk of side effects generally increases as the dose increases. Competitive athletes who take steroids generally follow an on/off schedule, in which they may take three to five steroids for six to 12 weeks, then go off the drugs for several weeks and then back on them, and so on, in an effort to maximize the benefits and minimize the risks.
But bodybuilders and other users seeking the cosmetic effects may skip the breaks, taking the drugs continuously and stacking them with human growth hormone and other performance enhancers in their quest for a superhuman physique.
"Soon their goal is to be the 300-pound gorilla," Yesalis says.
Jay Hoffman, professor and chairman of the department of health and exercise science at the College of New Jersey in Ewing, believes steroids are safer when cycled.
Hoffman, who took steroids himself for three years while attending NFL training camps in the early '80s, says steroids were widely used in professional football before they were banned. "If they were so dangerous, we'd be seeing a lot of people in their 50s dropping dead and we're not seeing that," he says.
*
Words of caution
Medical doctors aren't so quick to dismiss the potential for dire consequences.
"There is a line in here that no one can draw — who's going to get the serious side effects, who's going to commit hara-kiri and who's going to get really aggressive and punch someone out?" says Dr. Don Catlin, one of the world's leading anti-doping authorities who until earlier this month was the director of UCLA's Olympic Analytical Laboratory, which performs doping tests for the Olympics, the NCAA, the NFL and minor league baseball. In 2003, Catlin identified the designer steroid tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), which is at the heart of the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO) scandal, where the drug was supplied to professional athletes.
"You can't get me to say in any way it's OK to use them," he says.
Dr. Linn Goldberg, a professor of medicine and head of the division of health promotion and sports medicine at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, says the risks are amplified when users stack steroids with other performance enhancers and dietary supplements, some of which may contain steroid-like agents themselves.
"All of a sudden you're taking pill after pill after pill," says Goldberg, who is involved with programs to keep high school athletes off performance enhancers. "When you fool with these types of medicines, especially when you're not under a doctor's care, you don't know what you're getting into."
Making matters worse, drugs on the black market may be contaminated, he says.
As for the risks of other performance enhancers, high doses of human growth hormone can cause bones to thicken and grow, particularly those of the hands, feet and face. Doctors know this from observing what happens to patients, most notably former wrestler Andre the Giant, who died in 1993 and who had a condition called acromegaly, which causes the pituitary gland to pump out excess growth hormone. Patients may also experience various other health problems, including an enlarged heart, diabetes and premature death.
Another popular performance enhancer used among bodybuilders is clenbuterol, which helps burn fat and boost muscle. It mimics adrenaline, and high doses can cause insomnia, nervousness, muscle cramps, heart palpitations and arrhythmias. Overdoses could potentially be deadly.
One point that all the experts interviewed for this article agree on is that anabolic steroid use may be particularly dangerous in teens and women. The influx of hormones could wreak havoc with adolescents' development and already raging hormones and cause permanent masculinizing effects in women.
They also say it's unlikely that any long-term study will ever be done on performance enhancers. "No one is going to study anabolic steroid use when it's given at 100 times the normal dose," Goldberg says.
Regardless of the potential risks, people who use performance enhancers generally don't see immediate adverse effects, not in the way one might with drugs such as meth or heroin.
The mortgage broker took one round of the drugs and is considering another. He experienced no side effects other than feeling a "little more aggressive" — which he views as an unexpected perk because he also races cars. "When I go out on a racetrack, it's like being a gladiator and going to battle," he says. "If you hesitate you're dead."
He adds: "I liked the competitive edge."
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A bit long but worth the read if you want to see a different article out there on AAS.
"The case for steroids
Exercisers and nonprofessional athletes who use the drugs just to bulk up think risks are exaggerated. There's little evidence to dispute their claim.
By Jacqueline Stenson
Special to The Times
March 19, 2007
UNLIKE professional athletes who use anabolic steroids to improve their game, a 27-year-old mortgage broker in Orange County turned to "the juice" for reasons of pure vanity, "as simple as a looking-good thing."
At the suggestion of a bodybuilder friend, he purchased a round of the drugs — including oral and injectable steroids, as well as injectable human growth hormone — for $1,000 in Mexico a few years ago. The drugs helped him buff up in just six months. "My arms went from 15 inches to 17 inches," said the broker.
But what about side effects? Did his testicles shrink or his hair fall out? Did he suffer a stroke or heart attack? Did he develop 'roid rage or man-breasts?
Denying them all, he laughed, saying the risks of the drugs have been overblown: "They definitely get a bad rap."
Doping scandals may be rocking the sports world, but fitness experts say there's a quiet, yet likely much bigger, trend — performance-enhancer use among guys who just want to bulk up and have little or no fear about taking illegal and potentially dangerous drugs to do so.
Many exercisers and recreational athletes believe that doctors, public-health experts, politicians and the media have greatly exaggerated the side effects of performance enhancers, especially steroids, the most recognized — and believed to be the most widely used — muscle-building drugs.
When combined with strength-training, anabolic steroids, which are synthetic versions of the natural hormone testosterone, promote muscle growth and allow exercisers to train harder and more frequently. Men who start seeing results with steroids may be tempted to "stack" them with other performance-enhancers, such as human growth hormone and clenbuterol.
Steroids are particularly popular because they're known to yield results, are commonly available at gyms and the Internet and come in various forms such as pills, injections and creams. By comparison, growth hormone, for instance, must be injected and is typically much more expensive.
In sports, the main criticism of doping is that it's cheating, and athletes' biggest risk is getting booted from their sports or being stripped of medals and honors if use is detected. But run-of-the-mill gym-goers don't worry too much about getting busted. Though performance enhancers are illegal when used for nonmedical purposes, the greater risk of getting caught generally lies more with sellers rather than buyers.
There are no solid up-to-date statistics on use of steroids or other performance enhancers in the adult population, but public-health officials, exercise researchers and trainers believe it's increasing, especially among men wanting to get buff.
A nationwide household survey published in 1993 in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., the most comprehensive population-wide study to date, estimated that more than 1 million people, including teens, had used or were using anabolic steroids.
"I think that's low-balling it now," says study author Charles Yesalis, a professor emeritus of exercise and sport science at Penn State and editor of "Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise."
Many gym-goers who use performance enhancers see them as no riskier — and perhaps less so — than surgical cosmetic fixes.
Los Angeles personal trainer Rob Parr describes an acquaintance with a "waistline like Santa Claus" who used steroids over several years to transform himself into a Rambo look-alike. The man, in his 30s, avoided alcohol and ate a healthful diet, Parr says, and simply didn't think steroids posed a threat. There's even an attitude in gyms that there is "steroid use" and "steroid abuse," and that the muscle men are the go-to guys for "safe," reasonable steroid advice, as opposed to doctors and others in the medical community whom they believe exaggerate the dangers.
The medical community's credibility gap with gym-goers dates back to the 1970s and '80s, when early studies concluded that steroids didn't boost muscle mass and may be no better than placebos, says Cedric Bryant, chief science officer for the American Council on Exercise, a nonprofit fitness group based in San Diego.
"All the people in the gym knew that was nonsense," Bryant says. The problem with the studies is they involved medicinal doses, he says, not the amounts athletes and bodybuilders take — which could be 10 to 100 times higher.
No one knows for certain just how dangerous it is to use high doses of anabolic steroids for extended periods of time.
"There has not been one epidemiological study of the long-term health effects of steroids," says Yesalis. "But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Still, anabolic steroids have been used in medicine for decades, for conditions such as muscle wasting and anemia, at lower doses, and doctors and researchers do know the drugs have potential to cause side effects.
Medical studies, for instance, have found that, in men, anabolic steroids can cause acne, testicular shrinkage, infertility, breast enlargement, reduced "good" cholesterol, elevated "bad" cholesterol and liver tumors when used as a contraceptive, hormone replacement or anemia treatment. Case reports have linked high doses of anabolic steroids to stroke, heart attacks and cancer, though these associations aren't proven.
The effects can vary dramatically according to the type of steroid taken, the dose, duration of use, the age the person began using and other factors.
"They are clearly not harmless," Yesalis says.
He and others believe the risk of side effects generally increases as the dose increases. Competitive athletes who take steroids generally follow an on/off schedule, in which they may take three to five steroids for six to 12 weeks, then go off the drugs for several weeks and then back on them, and so on, in an effort to maximize the benefits and minimize the risks.
But bodybuilders and other users seeking the cosmetic effects may skip the breaks, taking the drugs continuously and stacking them with human growth hormone and other performance enhancers in their quest for a superhuman physique.
"Soon their goal is to be the 300-pound gorilla," Yesalis says.
Jay Hoffman, professor and chairman of the department of health and exercise science at the College of New Jersey in Ewing, believes steroids are safer when cycled.
Hoffman, who took steroids himself for three years while attending NFL training camps in the early '80s, says steroids were widely used in professional football before they were banned. "If they were so dangerous, we'd be seeing a lot of people in their 50s dropping dead and we're not seeing that," he says.
*
Words of caution
Medical doctors aren't so quick to dismiss the potential for dire consequences.
"There is a line in here that no one can draw — who's going to get the serious side effects, who's going to commit hara-kiri and who's going to get really aggressive and punch someone out?" says Dr. Don Catlin, one of the world's leading anti-doping authorities who until earlier this month was the director of UCLA's Olympic Analytical Laboratory, which performs doping tests for the Olympics, the NCAA, the NFL and minor league baseball. In 2003, Catlin identified the designer steroid tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), which is at the heart of the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO) scandal, where the drug was supplied to professional athletes.
"You can't get me to say in any way it's OK to use them," he says.
Dr. Linn Goldberg, a professor of medicine and head of the division of health promotion and sports medicine at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, says the risks are amplified when users stack steroids with other performance enhancers and dietary supplements, some of which may contain steroid-like agents themselves.
"All of a sudden you're taking pill after pill after pill," says Goldberg, who is involved with programs to keep high school athletes off performance enhancers. "When you fool with these types of medicines, especially when you're not under a doctor's care, you don't know what you're getting into."
Making matters worse, drugs on the black market may be contaminated, he says.
As for the risks of other performance enhancers, high doses of human growth hormone can cause bones to thicken and grow, particularly those of the hands, feet and face. Doctors know this from observing what happens to patients, most notably former wrestler Andre the Giant, who died in 1993 and who had a condition called acromegaly, which causes the pituitary gland to pump out excess growth hormone. Patients may also experience various other health problems, including an enlarged heart, diabetes and premature death.
Another popular performance enhancer used among bodybuilders is clenbuterol, which helps burn fat and boost muscle. It mimics adrenaline, and high doses can cause insomnia, nervousness, muscle cramps, heart palpitations and arrhythmias. Overdoses could potentially be deadly.
One point that all the experts interviewed for this article agree on is that anabolic steroid use may be particularly dangerous in teens and women. The influx of hormones could wreak havoc with adolescents' development and already raging hormones and cause permanent masculinizing effects in women.
They also say it's unlikely that any long-term study will ever be done on performance enhancers. "No one is going to study anabolic steroid use when it's given at 100 times the normal dose," Goldberg says.
Regardless of the potential risks, people who use performance enhancers generally don't see immediate adverse effects, not in the way one might with drugs such as meth or heroin.
The mortgage broker took one round of the drugs and is considering another. He experienced no side effects other than feeling a "little more aggressive" — which he views as an unexpected perk because he also races cars. "When I go out on a racetrack, it's like being a gladiator and going to battle," he says. "If you hesitate you're dead."
He adds: "I liked the competitive edge."
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I'll be glad when the media and politicians find another "hot" issue to move on to. And they will eventually. The media is selling entertainment and politicians will talk about any issue that diverts the publics attention from REAL issues and problems. It makes them look like they are doing something when they aren't doing shit.
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