Off Topic: Pitbulls...

[bigbadasian]

|--[\\\\]>----------- Went and visited two 8wk old pit pups last nite. both were males and weighed about 10 lbs each. one was all blk and was was wht with blk patches. Both very playful and loving. the mother was there and VERY laid back. She weighed 45 lbs. the father was not there,, but was laid back she said, but not as much as the mother and he weighs 100 lbs. the one i want is the wht/blk. I would like some opinions, most ppl i talk to are like, "no dont' get one, too unpredictable, they are too aggressive" but i am a believer that if you train ANY dog at any age to be friendly to other ppl and other dogs when it's older, it should be fine. the lady wants $250 for the pup. Seems like a pretty good price. Let me know what you guys think, i only have a couple of days to decide.

 

[REA]

well

if its still really young you shouldnt have to worry about it being a rough n vigorous dog when it grows up.. just take care of it and give it lots of attnetion and it will always be a friendly one! AND BRING IT TO THE GYM WHEN U GET IT!!! lol

 

[flexmaster]

my pit is 15 months old now. he loves people! pits are people pleasers, meaning they'll do anything for their owner. i think they are somewhat animal aggressive naturally, but i raised mine around my little sister's two kittens so he's totally fine being around cats. i also trained him to not be aggressive around his food by giving him bones, and then taking them away and seeing how he reacted. i also socialized him a ton with people, i never put him outside or in his kennel when i had people over. they are really great dogs, you can do anything with them because they are so athletic and have so much energy. they are kind of a lot of work while they are puppies, but it's worth it. here's a pic of me and tank...he's about 95lbs and 15 months old.

 

[haze324]

i will only own a pit

I've had 2 pitts in my life(along with a boxer and a german shepard), my current pup(whiskey) is six months old and he is a the best dog I've had. Pitts are very owner pleasing and its mainly about how and what environment they are raised in. Pitts definelty should be kept inside. The are very strong dogs and being outside gets them bored and destructive and could easily give them a temper. I think the key is to get him people and animal friendly as soon as possible. There are two types of aggression people and animal, if you socialize your dogs when young you have nothing to worry about. As flex said, they are a bit of work when the are puppies, not because they are dumb dogs because they are not, these dogs are in the top 10 of smartest dogs, but because they have so much energy and so damn strong that you really have to be aggressive to show them who's boss. Man i take my dog everywhere i go and now he wont leave my side. If i'm watching TV we'll sleep by my feet, if I get up to get something to drink he'll follow me to the kitchen wait untill I'm done and follow me back to the TV and fall asleep again. I'll try to post a picture of him tonight. If you have any questions, training, feeding, toys, breeds, etc PM me.

 

[Vander_V]

Personally i think pitbulls are a very agresive breed and yes if there on a leash and have proper guidance by their owner there pretty cool dogs but off the leash and around other animals GOOD FUCKING NIGHT LOL,, EVERY SINGLE FIGHT THAT ACCURS AT MY DOG PARK IS BECAUSE A PIT HAS GONE OFF,,, FUCK THAT,,, EVERY INCIDENT ON THE NEWS ABOUT DOG ATTACKS ON PEOPLE HERE IN AZ HAVE BEEN REPORTED MAINLY FROM PITBULL ATTACKS AND ON THE NEWS WHEN THAT LITTLE BABY GIRL GOT HER FACE BIT OFF GUESS WHAT ?? YOP ANOTHER PIT, so what im trying to say is sure everydog seems good and controled but thats simply NOT true when it comes to some breeds of animals ,,, My friend Tom said his dog which is a PIT would never ever bite another person , in fact he said his dog was very smart and loving and obeyed his commands and never lashed out and it was true until one day he attacked a drunk girl being loud at his house HOOOOOOOLYSHIT did his life change in a wink of an eye , LAWSUITES UP THE ASS , Tom was broke and was the one responsible for his dogs actions sucks huh.

Everybody thinks oh not my dog , my dog would never do that, well its not up to you now is it? its animal instinct and No one knows when it could happen , the only thing is PITBULLS are more prone to such agressive behaiver and have more tendency to do such horrible things its just in their blood a Dr once told me and i agree.

 

[jawbreakerkid]

why take the risk? These dogs have an aggressive nature, no matter how you raise an animal, they still have animalistic instincts. My dog is the biggest wimp you'll ever meet, sits in my lap all the time, never bit a person, sweetest thing ever, but if it sees a squirrel or a rabbit or another dog she will take off without thinking about it. It's instinct. She was bred to hunt small animals, her tail is for pulling her out of foxholes, I never taught her to go after animals, it's what she does. You can't keep an eye on your dog 24/7, like Vander said, it can ruin your life. Hell, maybe my dog goes off on someone someday, but what will cause more damage...a West Highland White terrier or a Pit bull? Also I think people like pit bulls, rottweilers, tough looking dogs because it makes them feel tough, well when I was 270 and walking my 20lb q-tip of a dog, I never felt like any less of a man...lol I know you have the escalade with the 20's, but resist completing your "I wanna be a hip hop supastar" kit and get something cute who's maximal damage is putting holes in your socks.

 

[Vander_V]

why take the risk? These dogs have an aggressive nature, no matter how you raise an animal, they still have animalistic instincts. My dog is the biggest wimp you'll ever meet, sits in my lap all the time, never bit a person, sweetest thing ever, but if it sees a squirrel or a rabbit or another dog she will take off without thinking about it. It's instinct. She was bred to hunt small animals, her tail is for pulling her out of foxholes, I never taught her to go after animals, it's what she does. You can't keep an eye on your dog 24/7, like Vander said, it can ruin your life. Hell, maybe my dog goes off on someone someday, but what will cause more damage...a West Highland White terrier or a Pit bull? Also I think people like pit bulls, rottweilers, tough looking dogs because it makes them feel tough, well when I was 270 and walking my 20lb q-tip of a dog, I never felt like any less of a man...lol I know you have the escalade with the 20's, but resist completing your "I wanna be a hip hop supastar" kit and get something cute who's maximal damage is putting holes in your socks.

Yup thats what i was saying good post JBK.

AND thats why BBA is on his way to by an AMERICAN BULLDOG. Much better choice and in my opinion much better breed. oh and they look just as tuff if you were going for the tuff thing LOL.

Ill tell ya one thing my loving cuddly boy Dutch has had his share of run ins with pits and let me tell you this Dutch took care of business but he only attacked back once he was deliberlately bit in the cheek , DAMN Dutch snapped and almost took off that pits head no joke i side of Dutch ive never seen , BUT he has never blantly attacked a dog like Pits do. I told the Pits owner sure got yourself a tuff dog with that big chain and spikes around his neck to bad ol Dutchy boy had to teach his ass a lesson , and the dude looked at me and said whatever man . Its like these younger kids who buy pits and want their dog to be all tuff and look tuff THATS just FN LAME , dogs are for loving and thats it.

heres a pic of Dutchy the English Bull and a gentleman lol.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

I agree with Vander

but I guess it depends on why you want to get one. They can be trained to be a nice dog, but if you want a nice dog, buy one that is nice by nature. Maybe I am way off base here, but thats what I have observed.

 

[Armageddon]

Yup thats what i was saying good post JBK.

AND thats why BBA is on his way to by an AMERICAN BULLDOG. Much better choice and in my opinion much better breed. oh and they look just as tuff if you were going for the tuff thing LOL.

Have to disagree with this. I agree on alot of the things about the Pits, but I still have 2. Actually I let my olod roomate keep one and I kept the puppy. His is a Jeep Chinaman Pit and mine is part pit and part american bulldog.
I really have to say that there isn't much difference between the pit and American bulldog. Even there breeder I got the dog from carries my same views. He says that all his bulldogs are actually more agressive than his pits. With the added size comes alot of power and many contest that the American bulldog has the same if not more power per square inch on a bite. All I know is Karma is a good dog that is aggresive, but weel behaved. She's 16 1/2 weeks old and goes everywhere with me. Alot of the time she sits in the car while I'm in class. She wouldn't have it anyother way. She's around my newborn cousin and a two year old. She's well socialized and listens well. Why is it that all dogs go nuts around squirrels. It doesn't matter what it is. In having two of these breeds, I'm a firm believer that its 15% their fault and 85% the owners fault if the do something wrong. Hell the most reported dog bites every year are from a springer spaniel or a cocker spaniel. Granted it's worse it it happens from a powerful dog but it's also less likely to happen.

 

[squatter]

I've been training dogs most of my life. Pits are hands down my favorite breed. I happen to own American Bullies though. I like the larger breeds for their more laid back nature. You can train a pit to act anyway you want. I always tell pit owners to over socialize their pups. take them to day cares and any other public function that you can. be aware that signs of agression usually don't show untill later in the dogs life, as late as 3-5 years old. early socialization is the key. socializing your pit with other canines is a good idea. puppy classes and follow up classes are grear for this. however, many times pits become dog agressive and it seems to be unavoidable at times. my AB is male agressive sometimes though I did my best to avoid the problem.

One mistake pit owners make is having too many pits. I think pits should be the only pet in the house. unless you have a male/female or female/female situation where both dogs display perfect temperment and get along really well.

Pits are not even on the top 20 list of dog bites nation wide. but when a pit does bite, it's often deadly. they are a like a bullet. once they go off, they don't stop or turn around. you have to know what you're getting into before you make the jump to be a pit owner.

just analizre yourself and decide if you are willing to put the time and effort into raising a good companion. if not, maybe another breed would be a better choice.

raising awsome pet pits is a major undertaking. the one's I've trained never left my side, EVER untill their behavior was flawless.

squatter

 

[xcelbeyond]

I like pits and any "well behaved" animal.

I think the point made about what a dog was bred for has to be considered. I've yet to see a Golden Retriever (from good blood lines) not love to play fetch with a stick or ball - it's bred in. Take those yippy in-bred cocker spaniels - ankle biters, jump all over you - a result in imbreeding due to increased demand/popularity. We got a cocker that the owner was going to put to sleep 'cause she had a heart defect. This dog was from a national championship line and they didn't want the line tarnished. They let us have her if we agreed to have her fixed when she got old enough. This was the MOST DOCILE dog I've ever seen. When our girls were toddlers, she'd just lay there and let them crawl all over her with nary a growl. I'd literally have to kick her in the ass to get her to bark. She never jumped up on anyone's pants or dress.

Now back in the 70's when pits were getting popular in my area, they were getting popular for their meaness. I know of countless people that would brag on how ther pitt chewed up the large neighbors dog. There was a large underground dog-fighting ring that many were raising the "pure breeds" for that purpose.

You can have the most well-trained dog but what happens when the little neighbor kid pokes it in the that "tender/delicate" spot? Will the instinct be to lock on to the face (which is how they trained them to fight)? I know plenty of people recently who have them and they seem to be normal well-trained dogs. I don't know that I'd want to be responsible for what to "could" happen when I'm not around.

It happened recently here also - the neighbor boy had two pitts attack him and would have killed him (critically injured) but a lady walking by got them off him and she got hospitalized with serious injuries. Both pits were not known to be agressive by the owner, but the owner was not around when the incident happened.

 

[LATS]

well.. i ll put my two cents in here.. i love pitts.. they are very gentle dogs and love to please their masters.. if raised right, one will have no problems.. any dog can attack.. period.. hell, a drunk girl screaming in a dogs house can set off any breed... many dogs that are accused of being pitts are really just mixed dogs that have pitt in them.. and many have the wrong masters.. pitts are supposed to be only 45-55 pounds.. we got ahold of the breed and made them 100 pounds.. we mix in various breeds and still call the dog a pitt.. which in essence it is.. but, what else was mixed with it to get the added size.. my buddy raises them and i have not seen one act of aggression.. but, he has pure pitts and the biggest one is only 60 pounds.. i have a neighbor who has a pitt and it is 100 ppunds.. both great dogs and i would love to have them at any weight but, the wife said one dogs a enough.. sao what i am saying is sometimes the attacking horror stories are not always pitts.. but, mixed breeds labled as pitts... my favorite breed is my old english bulldog.. gentle and loving.. bba apparently has gotten a american bull dog.. great breed also.. but, i would not be scared of a pitt..

 

[Pittbull™]

I've had my pitty for just over 9 years now & I have to say he's the most laid back dog I've seen. He'll bark and go off his nut at anyone that comes to the front door but as soon as they've been invited in he rolls onto his back for a tummy scratch. He's generally non-aggressive (unless provoked). When he was 18mth a malamuk (sp?) attacked him...stupid dog & 6mth ago the dogs next-door a rottie/bull mastiff cross & a bullterrier got out and attacked him (what a mess) luckily the guy was home and we both managed to stop the fight.

What I'm trying to say is that in 9yrs the only problems I've had are from other dogs & I also think that it's a lot to do with how there brought up.

In actual fact it's been proven that the most aggressive dog is the chwawa (sp?) and the dog that has statistically been proven to bite the most is the cocker spaniel followed in a close 2nd by labs. It's just these dogs have a soft pallet and bite so do not cause as much damage.

IMO any dog will only be as safe or good as it's brought up.

 

[Tman2002]

Get a Doberman

I've got a male thats a year old best dog I've ever had. Also the smartest and most loving dog I've ever had. If you want a dog that can open the fridge and get you a beer go for a dobe. This is no joke...

 

[Conan21]

I'm sure you could raise a PIT to be a good dog, but I think you guys are going a lil over board saying they are loving gentle affectionate breed. They are really killers at heart. YES, you can raise them to be different. I'm sure there are some Yorkies that might be meaner that some Pits. But for the most part you have to be extremely careful with these dogs.

They were bread to be be tough strong killing machines. I think they are awesome looking dogs and I would like to have one based soley off looks but i just don't think it would be worthe the risk. I've seen perfectly docile animals who never bite just go berserk out of the blue. If this happens with a Pitbull someone might Die.

I really think its a matter of Genetics. Just as some people are Genetically gifted bodybuilders. Call this Racist or what have you. but each ethnicity in this world has a whole tends to have its own tempermant body structure and so on. I'm sure alot of you guys know certain people who are just mean mother fuckers and if you look at the family. They brothers are mean. Their Dad is High Strung. and they grandfather probably was too. Granted, this may have a lot to do with their upbringing or might not. Genetics are a very powerful thing and you really can't turn them off.

take a baby by two whacked out parents and then take a kid whos parents are docile and have family histories of funcitonal families and then raise them under the same conditions...i don't think they would be necessarily turn out the same....even if they did, i'm sure the other kid could SNAP alot easier.

 

[Doggtales]

Well bro, I have extensive dog handling and training experience. I have been around all differnt types of breeds. In my experience, most of the pits that I have been around are animal aggressive. I have only seen 3 actually ok around other animals. You can adjust and mold a dog's gereral obedience behavior, but when it comes to prey-drive, temperment, and aggression....that is something that is deep inside the dog. It doesn't matter what breed of dog, if the dog has a high prey-drive, un-social temperment, and agression, I truly belive that comes from it's bloodline/ genetics. I have been bitten by a Border Collie, German Shepherd, and a Sight Hound. I have seen an aggressive Toy Poodle! Doesn't matter breed, some dogs are just fucking jerks.

Bottom line is this...if you give your dog the love and attention that it needs, your dog will respect you and try to please you. Socialization is extremely important. Especially around people and other animals. But, you must be very careful and on your toes to watch the Pit around people and animals and be quick to correct mistakes. But if the Pit does not respond well to people and animals naturally, I don't think you will be able to get that out of the dog. Good luck! BTW...here is one of my Cane Corso's "HUGO" 18 month male, 128 lbs.

 

[Vander_V]

Well bro, I have extensive dog handling and training experience. I have been around all differnt types of breeds. In my experience, most of the pits that I have been around are animal aggressive. I have only seen 3 actually ok around other animals. You can adjust and mold a dog's gereral obedience behavior, but when it comes to prey-drive, temperment, and aggression....that is something that is deep inside the dog. It doesn't matter what breed of dog, if the dog has a high prey-drive, un-social temperment, and agression, I truly belive that comes from it's bloodline/ genetics. I have been bitten by a Border Collie, German Shepherd, and a Sight Hound. I have seen an aggressive Toy Poodle! Doesn't matter breed, some dogs are just fucking jerks.

Bottom line is this...if you give your dog the love and attention that it needs, your dog will respect you and try to please you. Socialization is extremely important. Especially around people and other animals. But, you must be very careful and on your toes to watch the Pit around people and animals and be quick to correct mistakes. But if the Pit does not respond well to people and animals naturally, I don't think you will be able to get that out of the dog. Good luck! BTW...here is one of my Cane Corso's "HUGO" 18 month male, 128 lbs.

Great post from a very experienced dog trainer and handler, i agree just wtch your pit around other people other animals and especially around children , one vicous bite could amputate a childs arm it was on the news and then you know whats a comming yup A BIG FAT FUCKING LAWSUIT BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS NO JOKE.

Not to long ago on the Arizona news a lady was attacked by two pits and ripped to shreds and was killed , now get this the dogs were in their yard and she opened the gate looking for her friend well her friend wasnt home and the dogs went to work , the thing is her friend got sued by the family ,,,WHY did the other family sue and have a case , you wanna know why BBA because of the breed of dog no joke the prosecutors played the VICOUS PITBULL card and won BIG TIME , now let me ask you this was that fair? of course not but the fact is PITBULLS = TROUBLE and attract negetive thoughts because of their nature to kill.

So all im saying is stick with your american Bull excellent and safe choice.

one more thing to all you pittbull owners , would you trust your pit in a house alone with your 3 yr old baby girl?

and would you trust your dog alone in my house with my 3 yr old baby girl????????? thats the real question. cause what if baby girl threw a toy at the dogs face and the dog reacted??? you never know.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Im scareda doggies lol (saw one bite my sis when i was 5, traumatized lol) i get made fun of because "aww the big bad bodybuilder is scared of little doggies" . One of my best friends has 2 little dogs im scared of like 1 foot tall each lol

 

[bigbadasian]

Update...

|--[\\\\]>---------- Well, i went and visited the Amer. bulldog owner tonite and he sold BOTH 15 mins. b4 i showed up! i was fucking pissed....drove like 45 min. and they were GONE! But the owenr was a complete white trash jackass...right when we pulled up, i saw the 2 raised pick up trucks with the old 80's TransAM parted out front, and i was like "oh my god, white trash city" we walked in and it smelled like the dogs shit anywhere they wanted. then he said, "well, the pups are gone, did you want to look at the parents?" i said yes so he took me to the backyard and there was 1 male and 3 females...they looked awsome though....VERY BIG dogs. he said he'd have anohter litter in about 50 days. So then we got to talking and i said that ppl should really watch who they sell their pits and bulldogs to around here b/c i heard that fighting dogs was huge out here and he replied by "if i knowing knew that s'one was buying one of my dogs to fight, i'd charge him extra"--LIKE THAT MAKES IT OK...what a dumbass...then he proceeded to show me pics of his old litters and the papers that accompanied the dogs and in one of the photos, he had all the papers laid out on the kitchen table with about 5 lbs of weed in bags next to the papers...i was like what was that for....he was like "dogs and weed" my two passions in life....i looked at my girl at that time and said "gotta go" Now i am home and searching for more Am.bulldog breeders...there are 4 breeders i'm going to call tomarrow, but they are more expen. than the one tonite, cheapest so far is around $500. I DID also look at some more breeders for pits, i have NOT totally crossed it out of my mind, and i found a couple that have the rare BLUE breed. My first choice for a pit was a blue, then brindle colored.

Doggtales: once i make my decision, i'd like to pick your brain on training the dog, mainly house training it.

Vander: doggtales pic is that dog i was refering to this morning, the CANE CORSO....that dog is AWSOME....look how fucking big that thing is!

Thanks everyone for your opinions....no matter which dog i choose, whether it be the pit or the bulldog, it's going to get tons of attention and i'm definately going to socialize it early. most of the dogs advertised were 6-9 weeks old...

 

[Doggtales]

BBA,

Yeah bro, when you get your pup, let me know.

DOGGTALES