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Pros do you come off

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Pros do you come off
Hey pros or guys trying to get a card do you come off a cycle or do you go year round on the gear. Because in a few years I plan on trying to get my pro card right now I do about 3-4 cycles a year. I want to know if I need to go year round on the gear and how early should I start? Thanks peace out.


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03-14-2002 10:15 AM



Fatback
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I am a national competitor & rarely come off-I think 3 months total in the last 3 yrs.I don't take alot of shit at any one time though,keep my dosages anywhere from 500-1500 mgs/wk and like to stay around 1000/wk.This might not seem like alot but I am always improving and no side effects.I know there are guys I compete against that do much more,but this works 4 me.You would be making a mistake if u tried to emulate the cycles that the top guys or pros are doing right now-they are more advanced than you are.I honestly dont think there is any advantage to coming off if you keep the doses moderate,but I'm sure there are a few guys on this board that know more than I do.



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03-14-2002 12:55 PM



foreverblast
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what about your natural T? and what if you can't have kids no more?

john



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03-14-2002 03:34 PM



xwillK
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that is a very real side effect. it can happen. just get your shit checked, like i didnt, and as long as the doc says the boys and there tubes are fine, fuck it........



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03-14-2002 06:07 PM



Big A
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It is about your genetics. Your genetics for your body to accept gear without side effects.

I have been on mostly since Jan 1992. Between Oct 1996 and Sep 2001 I had a total of about 5 or 6 weeks off. I never took less than 1,000mg in that time frame.

Now, I have been off since Sep 2001, as I lost my fire mentally plus my body stopped responding to diet and drugs since Oct 2000. So I stopped all gear and gym and became a normal person for the last 6 months.

Since I have been off, my HPTA was back to normal after 6 weeks. All else perfect. I dropped over 30lbs and I have gotten fatter, but I am still 242. And I feel GREAT! Light, athletic and NORMAL!

However, lately I have been itching to get back again. I will in about a month or so.

Now, this is very important. I ALWAYS had blood tests every 4-6 weeks. They always came back perfect because I would spend LOTS of $ on accessory meds - anti-e's. anti-dht's, hcg, clomid, liver aids, acne meds, etc, etc. I don't drink alcohol or do any rec drugs AT ALL. I don't smoke either. So my body was able to handle the drugs with no problems. Plus I was doing it intelligently and I have the genetics to accept the drugs. If you don't have ALL the above matters in place, it is not advisable to be on non stop.

My philosophy about cycle length is that it should be judged by your health or results. If your blood tests come back perfect every time, your health is OK. If you keep geting results, your receptors are fine. So if your health is OK and your receptors are fine, why come off???



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03-14-2002 06:48 PM



Jethro Tull
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Good topic.....
This is a good question. [not a pro] I always take a low dose of test, I am talking low a cc every 5days.
Big A...I like your attitude towards your health.



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03-14-2002 08:51 PM



peewee
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What kind of AS??
What kind of gear would you year long guys be doing? Obviously some kind of test all year long. But what else? I'm sure you would cycle within your on time to keep your receptors guessing?!?!


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03-14-2002 09:24 PM



MikeS
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Im surely not a pro, but I have experience with gear. Bridging is the best answer for me. Staying on steady dose would eventually cease to be effective. So a bridge of non-aromatizing orals will let the HPTA recover some, while keeping strength up. Sex drive will dip without test though. Or, if you have made a commitement to
stay on test (older guys maybe) for life, Id still vary my dose so you could experience good response to high doses-sort of bridge also (with say, 1cc per wk), but youd get no HPTA recovery.



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03-14-2002 10:49 PM



Fatback
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Originally posted by foreverblast
what about your natural T? and what if you can't have kids no more?

I have a 2 yr old daughter -she was conceived when I was dieting 4 a show & on just W-V and Primo -I think heavy androgens will shut u down much more than V,Primo,Deca,etc... but now that u mention it,my daughter does look an awful lot like our old mailman....wait til I get my hands on that SOB,I'll see him in hell!!! lol



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03-14-2002 11:48 PM



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One other thing about continuous usage,just as Big A stated above,I never drink or use rec drugs ,I think u would be playing with fire if u were on long periods of time & mixed in alcohol/drugs.I think they are worse on your liver than AS.



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03-14-2002 11:59 PM



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I agree
on the alchol thing!! I am very strict while on cycle about not drinking. I truely feel it is worse than most AS on your liver.


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03-15-2002 12:10 AM



Phil Hernon
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WELL
I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS THAT WERE CONCEIVED WHILE I WAS TRAINING FOR THE USA AND NATIONALS. COME TO THINK OF IT, THEY ARE A BIT ORNERY!! AHHAHAHAH



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03-15-2002 12:14 AM



Fatback
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After reading your joke about the gravy ladle,etc...I'm sure your kids are gonna be ornery-how's that old saying go?? "The apple doesnt fall far from the tree".



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03-15-2002 12:48 AM



Phil Hernon
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HEY
THAT AINT THE ONLY JOKE THERE!!!!!!!! HAHAHHAHAHAH



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03-15-2002 01:31 AM



vitor97
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Possiable
Is it possiable that men while on AS lose that Y chromosome and produce Female babies, Just noticed a pattern, Im bored and BSing too.



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03-15-2002 06:08 AM



Vastus
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Just a coincidence
I have three boys that so the Y chromosome was not affected



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03-15-2002 08:58 AM



LATS
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i have two girls. i dont know anything about x or y chromosome but, i believe that i am so powerful that i blew the balls clean off 'em.



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03-15-2002 10:33 AM



anabolicdragon
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On to something
Vitor97 you maybe on to something with you post. I was fucking this sweet asain chick last summer. I was on 500mg of sus and 50mg of d-ball the time we were fucking and I knocked her up.....guess what it was a girl. Makes you think.



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04-01-2002 08:15 AM



rAJJIN
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no shit
I wanted a boy bad... 2 girls here also..
both wile on.



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04-02-2002 04:24 AM



TheOriginalGame
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cycling
when doing a cycle how long should you stay on one? right now I am doing 500mg primotest wk 1-6 -50mg winny ed wk 3-8 -finny 1ml ed wk3-8 -I just started to feel the shit working in the end of week 4 so I have only another 4 weeks also I am using t3 I think I should have made it 10 week cycle or even 12 ?? I do not have time to order another cycle but I could get my hands on more fina in time ,would it make sense to go another 4 weeks of fina only please let me know also I have nolva and clomid on hand. thanx TG
 

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