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ilander911
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Registered: Mar 2002
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Pros do you come off
Hey pros or guys trying to get a card do you come off a cycle or do you go year round on the gear. Because in a few years I plan on trying to get my pro card right now I do about 3-4 cycles a year. I want to know if I need to go year round on the gear and how early should I start? Thanks peace out.
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03-14-2002 10:15 AM
Fatback
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Registered: Feb 2002
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I am a national competitor & rarely come off-I think 3 months total in the last 3 yrs.I don't take alot of shit at any one time though,keep my dosages anywhere from 500-1500 mgs/wk and like to stay around 1000/wk.This might not seem like alot but I am always improving and no side effects.I know there are guys I compete against that do much more,but this works 4 me.You would be making a mistake if u tried to emulate the cycles that the top guys or pros are doing right now-they are more advanced than you are.I honestly dont think there is any advantage to coming off if you keep the doses moderate,but I'm sure there are a few guys on this board that know more than I do.
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03-14-2002 12:55 PM
foreverblast
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: austin, tx
Posts: 6
what about your natural T? and what if you can't have kids no more?
john
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03-14-2002 03:34 PM
xwillK
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that is a very real side effect. it can happen. just get your shit checked, like i didnt, and as long as the doc says the boys and there tubes are fine, fuck it........
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03-14-2002 06:07 PM
Big A
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It is about your genetics. Your genetics for your body to accept gear without side effects.
I have been on mostly since Jan 1992. Between Oct 1996 and Sep 2001 I had a total of about 5 or 6 weeks off. I never took less than 1,000mg in that time frame.
Now, I have been off since Sep 2001, as I lost my fire mentally plus my body stopped responding to diet and drugs since Oct 2000. So I stopped all gear and gym and became a normal person for the last 6 months.
Since I have been off, my HPTA was back to normal after 6 weeks. All else perfect. I dropped over 30lbs and I have gotten fatter, but I am still 242. And I feel GREAT! Light, athletic and NORMAL!
However, lately I have been itching to get back again. I will in about a month or so.
Now, this is very important. I ALWAYS had blood tests every 4-6 weeks. They always came back perfect because I would spend LOTS of $ on accessory meds - anti-e's. anti-dht's, hcg, clomid, liver aids, acne meds, etc, etc. I don't drink alcohol or do any rec drugs AT ALL. I don't smoke either. So my body was able to handle the drugs with no problems. Plus I was doing it intelligently and I have the genetics to accept the drugs. If you don't have ALL the above matters in place, it is not advisable to be on non stop.
My philosophy about cycle length is that it should be judged by your health or results. If your blood tests come back perfect every time, your health is OK. If you keep geting results, your receptors are fine. So if your health is OK and your receptors are fine, why come off???
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03-14-2002 06:48 PM
Jethro Tull
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Montana
Posts: 76
Good topic.....
This is a good question. [not a pro] I always take a low dose of test, I am talking low a cc every 5days.
Big A...I like your attitude towards your health.
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03-14-2002 08:51 PM
peewee
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What kind of AS??
What kind of gear would you year long guys be doing? Obviously some kind of test all year long. But what else? I'm sure you would cycle within your on time to keep your receptors guessing?!?!
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03-14-2002 09:24 PM
MikeS
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Im surely not a pro, but I have experience with gear. Bridging is the best answer for me. Staying on steady dose would eventually cease to be effective. So a bridge of non-aromatizing orals will let the HPTA recover some, while keeping strength up. Sex drive will dip without test though. Or, if you have made a commitement to
stay on test (older guys maybe) for life, Id still vary my dose so you could experience good response to high doses-sort of bridge also (with say, 1cc per wk), but youd get no HPTA recovery.
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03-14-2002 10:49 PM
Fatback
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Location: Roidville
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Pros do you come off
Hey pros or guys trying to get a card do you come off a cycle or do you go year round on the gear. Because in a few years I plan on trying to get my pro card right now I do about 3-4 cycles a year. I want to know if I need to go year round on the gear and how early should I start? Thanks peace out.
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03-14-2002 10:15 AM
Fatback
Junior Member
Registered: Feb 2002
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Posts: 5
I am a national competitor & rarely come off-I think 3 months total in the last 3 yrs.I don't take alot of shit at any one time though,keep my dosages anywhere from 500-1500 mgs/wk and like to stay around 1000/wk.This might not seem like alot but I am always improving and no side effects.I know there are guys I compete against that do much more,but this works 4 me.You would be making a mistake if u tried to emulate the cycles that the top guys or pros are doing right now-they are more advanced than you are.I honestly dont think there is any advantage to coming off if you keep the doses moderate,but I'm sure there are a few guys on this board that know more than I do.
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03-14-2002 12:55 PM
foreverblast
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: austin, tx
Posts: 6
what about your natural T? and what if you can't have kids no more?
john
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03-14-2002 03:34 PM
xwillK
BAD MOTHER FUCKER
Registered: Feb 2002
Location:
Posts: 145
that is a very real side effect. it can happen. just get your shit checked, like i didnt, and as long as the doc says the boys and there tubes are fine, fuck it........
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03-14-2002 06:07 PM
Big A
IFBB PRO / Moderator
Registered: Oct 2001
Location:
Posts: 428
It is about your genetics. Your genetics for your body to accept gear without side effects.
I have been on mostly since Jan 1992. Between Oct 1996 and Sep 2001 I had a total of about 5 or 6 weeks off. I never took less than 1,000mg in that time frame.
Now, I have been off since Sep 2001, as I lost my fire mentally plus my body stopped responding to diet and drugs since Oct 2000. So I stopped all gear and gym and became a normal person for the last 6 months.
Since I have been off, my HPTA was back to normal after 6 weeks. All else perfect. I dropped over 30lbs and I have gotten fatter, but I am still 242. And I feel GREAT! Light, athletic and NORMAL!
However, lately I have been itching to get back again. I will in about a month or so.
Now, this is very important. I ALWAYS had blood tests every 4-6 weeks. They always came back perfect because I would spend LOTS of $ on accessory meds - anti-e's. anti-dht's, hcg, clomid, liver aids, acne meds, etc, etc. I don't drink alcohol or do any rec drugs AT ALL. I don't smoke either. So my body was able to handle the drugs with no problems. Plus I was doing it intelligently and I have the genetics to accept the drugs. If you don't have ALL the above matters in place, it is not advisable to be on non stop.
My philosophy about cycle length is that it should be judged by your health or results. If your blood tests come back perfect every time, your health is OK. If you keep geting results, your receptors are fine. So if your health is OK and your receptors are fine, why come off???
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03-14-2002 06:48 PM
Jethro Tull
Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Montana
Posts: 76
Good topic.....
This is a good question. [not a pro] I always take a low dose of test, I am talking low a cc every 5days.
Big A...I like your attitude towards your health.
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03-14-2002 08:51 PM
peewee
Member
Registered: Feb 2002
Location:
Posts: 61
What kind of AS??
What kind of gear would you year long guys be doing? Obviously some kind of test all year long. But what else? I'm sure you would cycle within your on time to keep your receptors guessing?!?!
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03-14-2002 09:24 PM
MikeS
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 160
Im surely not a pro, but I have experience with gear. Bridging is the best answer for me. Staying on steady dose would eventually cease to be effective. So a bridge of non-aromatizing orals will let the HPTA recover some, while keeping strength up. Sex drive will dip without test though. Or, if you have made a commitement to
stay on test (older guys maybe) for life, Id still vary my dose so you could experience good response to high doses-sort of bridge also (with say, 1cc per wk), but youd get no HPTA recovery.
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03-14-2002 10:49 PM
Fatback
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Registered: Feb 2002
Location:
Posts: 5
