PROVIRON, WORTH IT??

[Frank-Oh]

I'm wondering if Proviron is worth it? It would be ran at 50-75mg daily along with 50mg of Prop daily and 50mg of Tren daily. Have you used it, along with what compounds?

Adex during cycle if needed, HCG+Nolva then Nolva for PCT..

 

[FutureFreak]

.....Not worth it. Save the cash and invest into LBA's, protein isolate, micronized creatine....etc...

 

[xmyb420x]

I am a fan of proviron.
It helps with hardness, water retention,enhances the gains of test.. among a myriad of other things.

Forgive me for asking....but what is your experience with these items ?

I ask because Id like to understand why would you want to run the Tren at the same dosage as your test ?
At least go to EOD on the tren. (even then youll probably experience some very harsh sides...do you have cabaser on hand ?)
Are you running a long ester test to go along with this ??

Also, personally Id scrap the nolva for pct.
Id only use it if a gyno related issue arises.

Id use the HCG along with aromisin during the cycle for my AI (it blocks it totally) and run it till about 2 weeks after the last inj.

THEN, clomid 100 mg a day ..then dropping to 50 mg a day and it lasts depending on how long the cycle was.

 

[NoelFuller]

I like it for pre contest.

 

[Big Bapper]

.....Not worth it. Save the cash and invest into LBA's, protein isolate, micronized creatine....etc...

Are you serious, its one of the best drugs you can run with Test.

 

[Quad-smack]

Are you serious, its one of the best drugs you can run with Test.

Amen! It binds up SHBG and makes more of what you supplement available...

 

[Frank-Oh]

.....Not worth it. Save the cash and invest into LBA's, protein isolate, micronized creatine....etc...

I use whey isolate, micronized creatine, and bcaa/eaa...this is on a different level bro.

I am a fan of proviron.
It helps with hardness, water retention,enhances the gains of test.. among a myriad of other things.

Forgive me for asking....but what is your experience with these items ?

I ask because Id like to understand why would you want to run the Tren at the same dosage as your test ?
At least go to EOD on the tren. (even then youll probably experience some very harsh sides...do you have cabaser on hand ?)
Are you running a long ester test to go along with this ??

Also, personally Id scrap the nolva for pct.
Id only use it if a gyno related issue arises.

Id use the HCG along with aromisin during the cycle for my AI (it blocks it totally) and run it till about 2 weeks after the last inj.

THEN, clomid 100 mg a day ..then dropping to 50 mg a day and it lasts depending on how long the cycle was.

50mg of Test Prop and 50mg of Tren Ace daily = 350mg of each - 700mg total. This would be my first cycle of AAS. My other planned cycle would have put me at over a gram a week. More is better, and you only have a first cycle once..

Smaller daily injections to buffer the sides by keeping my blood levels more stable. It's fast esters so if I inject 100mg EOD then I will have a spike and drop in blood levels every 48hrs. Daily injects within 12hrs should provide damn near stable blood levels also helping control sides. Adex during to control bloat if any, Prov should help too. Not really worth running Cyp or Enan since I plan to do daily Tren. Should keep bloat down, blood levels happy, and be a great cycle for recomposition. Cabaser, like cabergoline aka Dostinex? I don't really expect any progesterone sides... It's not that much Tren really. I would like some more thoughts on this..

Clomid based PCT is old school man, I haven't done it and with current research I never will. On a harsher cycle I may run Clomid along with Nolva for a couple of weeks and drop the Clomid and continue to Nolva.. The day after my last inject (and last day of Adex) I plan to shoot 500iu of HCG daily - 10 days. When that is done it's 40/40/30/30/20/20/10/10 of Nolvadex..i'll stay on 10mg as long as I need to.

HCG during my cycle will keep my balls full, but while still supplementing hormones (injecting) my HPTA won't be responsive - sort of a waste for me. I don't really mind a little loss in size, I mean they aren't melons but the part that counts wont be affected. heh..

I was sort of hoping someone would chime in with a comparison...say a cycle they ran with prov and one without and what they noted was different...

You guys think I should get some Dostinex? It's so over priced everywhere. I mean 1ml a week is plenty but still 200 bucks for something I may not even use...stupid prolactin..

 

[rippedfreak123]

bro it wouldnt hurt to thrown in a pct there..unless your possibly briding or staying on for a while and still after that ide run a pct...

as for your totaling up of both compunds, why are you totaling them together..there both different..the prop looks fine but i would drop the tren a little conseidering its your first cycle and you dont know how you would react to it

 

[Big Bapper]

I use whey isolate, micronized creatine, and bcaa/eaa...this is on a different level bro.



50mg of Test Prop and 50mg of Tren Ace daily = 350mg of each - 700mg total. This would be my first cycle of AAS. My other planned cycle would have put me at over a gram a week. More is better, and you only have a first cycle once..

Smaller daily injections to buffer the sides by keeping my blood levels more stable. It's fast esters so if I inject 100mg EOD then I will have a spike and drop in blood levels every 48hrs. Daily injects within 12hrs should provide damn near stable blood levels also helping control sides. Adex during to control bloat if any, Prov should help too. Not really worth running Cyp or Enan since I plan to do daily Tren. Should keep bloat down, blood levels happy, and be a great cycle for recomposition. Cabaser, like cabergoline aka Dostinex? I don't really expect any progesterone sides... It's not that much Tren really. I would like some more thoughts on this..

Clomid based PCT is old school man, I haven't done it and with current research I never will. On a harsher cycle I may run Clomid along with Nolva for a couple of weeks and drop the Clomid and continue to Nolva.. The day after my last inject (and last day of Adex) I plan to shoot 500iu of HCG daily - 10 days. When that is done it's 40/40/30/30/20/20/10/10 of Nolvadex..i'll stay on 10mg as long as I need to.

HCG during my cycle will keep my balls full, but while still supplementing hormones (injecting) my HPTA won't be responsive - sort of a waste for me. I don't really mind a little loss in size, I mean they aren't melons but the part that counts wont be affected. heh..

I was sort of hoping someone would chime in with a comparison...say a cycle they ran with prov and one without and what they noted was different...

You guys think I should get some Dostinex? It's so over priced everywhere. I mean 1ml a week is plenty but still 200 bucks for something I may not even use...stupid prolactin..

I don't think tren would be a good choice for your first cycle Bro.

 

[Frank-Oh]

Why would Tren be a bad choice on a first run? I don't need to run it to know it's the holy grail of AAS.. Why bother with the other bs, I figure run the good shit. For what it's worth, it's Fina based Tren Ace.

Someone mentioned 50mg daily being too much? How so, the norm is 75mg EOD and that would cause a significant drop in levels in 48hrs.. I mean sides like being aggressive are a plus for me, I have no problems controlling my anger, and I can divert all my focus to the weights.

The goal is recomposition.. I'm 200lbs at 16% I'd like to finish this cycle at 200lbs 10% I also have a few months worth of DNP I can run..

Tren isn't the worst I've put in me. I know my body well, even thought my body doesn't know AAS..

EDIT: I figure I'll have more problems with daily injections on my first cycle than running tren on my first go. Shit it's Fina based, call a damn chef too

 

[Frank-Oh]

Also I'll add that if I have problems at 50mg a day of tren i'll bump it down to 40mg or at the worst case 25mg.. If I have to run 25mg, I will bump my Test use to 75mg daily..

This is just my plan, nothing is written in stone.. I don't plan to compromise safety for good looks or "awesome gains"..but I don't know until I try. I think we can all agree on that.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Cycle design is not permitted on here....but i would just use test as a first cycle. Why pull out the big guns all at once when its not needed?

 

[Frank-Oh]

Cycle design is not permitted on here.

Like at all, or just on this particular sub-forum? Do we have a place to talk about cycles or no?

 

[Big Bapper]

Why would Tren be a bad choice on a first run? I don't need to run it to know it's the holy grail of AAS.. Why bother with the other bs, I figure run the good shit. For what it's worth, it's Fina based Tren Ace.

Someone mentioned 50mg daily being too much? How so, the norm is 75mg EOD and that would cause a significant drop in levels in 48hrs.. I mean sides like being aggressive are a plus for me, I have no problems controlling my anger, and I can divert all my focus to the weights.

The goal is recomposition.. I'm 200lbs at 16% I'd like to finish this cycle at 200lbs 10% I also have a few months worth of DNP I can run..

Tren isn't the worst I've put in me. I know my body well, even thought my body doesn't know AAS..

EDIT: I figure I'll have more problems with daily injections on my first cycle than running tren on my first go. Shit it's Fina based, call a damn chef too

Its one of the strongest anabolic steroids with the allot side effects. I would suggest something a little, well allot milder for your first cycle. Just my opinion.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Like at all, or just on this particular sub-forum? Do we have a place to talk about cycles or no?

Id assume newbie (beginner) forum is cool for this type of thing. I mean, dont stop the convo on my account, just know that the mods might close it or take it down....and you could get a warning...

 

[inoverdrive]

Cycle design is not permitted on here....but i would just use test as a first cycle. Why pull out the big guns all at once when its not needed?

Agree, but I do love Proviron!

 

[Big Bapper]

Also I'll add that if I have problems at 50mg a day of tren i'll bump it down to 40mg or at the worst case 25mg.. If I have to run 25mg, I will bump my Test use to 75mg daily..

This is just my plan, nothing is written in stone.. I don't plan to compromise safety for good looks or "awesome gains"..but I don't know until I try. I think we can all agree on that.

No I don't agree, if you don't want to compromise safety for good looks or awesome gains. Then don't run Tren for your first cycle, but in the end you know your body best. I just cant see the logic in your above post, it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Big Bapper]

Like at all, or just on this particular sub-forum? Do we have a place to talk about cycles or no?

Your thread is fine Bro, we just cant design cycles for you, just critique the cycles you post.

 

[BeenGone]

Getting back to the original question......I would at least try proviron to see if it does for you what you expect it to do ,but this being your first cycle you wont know exactly what ,if anything its doing differently for you......just being brutally honest.......also for ME it seems to be over priced for what I get out of it personally ,but people are different........I still throw it in from time to time ,but FOR ME it seems to be one of those compounds that looks better on paper.Just my opinion

 

[pesty4077]

Your thread is fine Bro, we just cant design cycles for you, just critique the cycles you post.

I agree, too much for your first cycle.

two tynenol will cure most headaches, take the whole bottle and it will probally kill you.