Question about UG stuff ???

[chris250]

I dont know if this is against board rules, but if it is just delete it...

I was bored at work today and went to that site (YES THAT SITE) Getbig.com and I was reading all the post by gh15 (undercover pro, or whatever he is) and he was saying that all UG grade stuff (99 percent anyway) was bunk or way underdosed...Now here at promuscle we have some good UG grade DVD's...I dont believe that is totally true...He went on to say that you should only use human grade stuff (which I agree, if you can get your hands on, and afford it) He said the effects of human vs. UG DVD's is no comparison...??? What do you guys think ???

 

[notsobig32]

I dont know if this is against board rules, but if it is just delete it...

I was bored at work today and went to that site (YES THAT SITE) Getbig.com and I was reading all the post by gh15 (undercover pro, or whatever he is) and he was saying that all UG grade stuff (99 percent anyway) was bunk or way underdosed...Now here at promuscle we have some good UG grade DVD's...I dont believe that is totally true...He went on to say that you should only use human grade stuff (which I agree, if you can get your hands on, and afford it) He said the effects of human vs. UG DVD's is no comparison...??? What do you guys think ???

Depending on your source's powder supplier, it should be fairly good. Back when powders were easy to get shipped in from china, a "friend" of mine used to make homebrew everything. The test cypionate 300 was some of the very best that i have ever taken and depending on the skill of the person making it and the sterility of the environment it is created in, it can be pretty close to human-grade. There are a lot of factors involved.

I know that you can order fina pellets from certain veterinary supply stores and converet them over to tren acetate fairly easily and for a very reasonable price. Some people swear by it, others would rather pay for human grade. Personal choice. As far as our board sponsors go, i would say that their "UG grade" is on point(from my experiences).

This is just my 2 cents.

 

[Silver4Judas]

Depending on your source's powder supplier, it should be fairly good. Back when powders were easy to get shipped in from china, a "friend" of mine used to make homebrew everything. The test cypionate 300 was some of the very best that i have ever taken and depending on the skill of the person making it and the sterility of the environment it is created in, it can be pretty close to human-grade. There are a lot of factors involved.

I know that you can order fina pellets from certain veterinary supply stores and converet them over to tren acetate fairly easily and for a very reasonable price. Some people swear by it, others would rather pay for human grade. Personal choice. As far as our board sponsors go, i would say that their "UG grade" is on point(from my experiences).

This is just my 2 cents.

BUMP!!! If you find the 1080p movies like NIAN has, nuff said.. Most of the time if the UG movie house is good then the movies are always more than what they say. Nothing risked? Nothing gained! Proof is in the pudding....& the pudding is good. Human grade, what is that????????????

 

[vadim_b1]

I dont know if this is against board rules, but if it is just delete it...

I was bored at work today and went to that site (YES THAT SITE) Getbig.com and I was reading all the post by gh15 (undercover pro, or whatever he is) and he was saying that all UG grade stuff (99 percent anyway) was bunk or way underdosed...Now here at promuscle we have some good UG grade DVD's...I dont believe that is totally true...He went on to say that you should only use human grade stuff (which I agree, if you can get your hands on, and afford it) He said the effects of human vs. UG DVD's is no comparison...??? What do you guys think ???

that guy is totally full of shit or which is most likely he has his own agenda pushing whatever he sells.

 

[Thor]

AGREED

that guy is totally full of shit or which is most likely he has his own agenda pushing whatever he sells.

I mean think about it Chris, whether it is HG or UG is no big difference if all factors are equal. Is Hg more sterile? it is either sterile or it isn't. Is HG stronger? it is whatever mg per ml it says it is. If the ug says 250 per ml and the HG says 250 per ml then they are the same if they are made right and up to label claim. So let's just say we have a HG and a UG that are both sterile and both 250mgs per ml, how is one better? or maybe I should ask why is one better?

 

[notsobig32]

I mean think about it Chris, whether it is HG or UG is no big difference if all factors are equal. Is Hg more sterile? it is either sterile or it isn't. Is HG stronger? it is whatever mg per ml it says it is. If the ug says 250 per ml and the HG says 250 per ml then they are the same if they are made right and up to label claim. So let's just say we have a HG and a UG that are both sterile and both 250mgs per ml, how is one better? or maybe I should ask why is one better?

Thor, you know i think this all started when the UG labs were advertising openly on other boards and half of them were never verified. That business was so completely booming for a while that i think people started getting greedy and underdosing things left and right. All things being equal if you know how to make sterile gear and you have a trusted source that guarantees the quality of their product, you can make A LOT of gear at home (and in a sterile manner if done right) for a reasonable price.

That being said, i personally don't like the risk of having chemicals, supplies and hormones shipped so for me going HG or pre-made UG is the way to go. And like i said earlier i have tried a sponsor's UG on here and it was definitely on point.

 

[hellraiser27]

Pharm is guaranted. UG is not. Test is an inexpensive compound. It really makes no sense for a UGL to underdose test and piss people off. Although I'm sure it has happened.

Now if your buying Primo!? Primo is an expensive compound and raw powder is hard to obtain. I would only go with Pharm on this product.

If your just buying tests, eq, and deca, then a trusted UG should be no problem.

 

[mikeyt869]

yes i have never understood why an ugl would produce fake or underdosed gear like deca and test. The powders are cheap and not very hard to get. Once you get a good client base keeping min orders to say 4-500 and go private you cut your chances of trouble, make many customers happy and make descent money. Im sure theres a lot of tren, var, and primo thats faked or underdosed do to the raw compound prices though.

 

[notsobig32]

yes i have never understood why an ugl would produce fake or underdosed gear like deca and test. The powders are cheap and not very hard to get. Once you get a good client base keeping min orders to say 4-500 and go private you cut your chances of trouble, make many customers happy and make descent money. Im sure theres a lot of tren, var, and primo thats faked or underdosed do to the raw compound prices though.

There are dishonest UGL's i am sure but sometimes even good ones have issues. Its not like they are sending every batch of powder out for analysis before making the product. If they are assured that it is 97% usp and it is really nowhere near that and has filler, they are never going to know. There are some really great UG Grade places out there and we have at least one that i know of on the board here.

I think it is the nature of the game we play that there are always going to be fakes and stuff being underdosed etc. If you choose to go UG, go with one you can trust and stick with them.

Personally i have not gotten anything from a boarrd sponsor here(i lurked for many years) that wasn't good.

 

[280]

Money will make some people do almost anything. There are people in this world who actually commit murder for $20.........

 

[sliver63]

And some who even do it just for fun.

 

[chris250]

The only thing I ever worry about from UG is orals or tabs...I just think those are faked with other cheaper products (example var or winny and its just some methyt.) or something like that...

 

[SwoleinKR]

Granted human grade supps have a lesser chance of being contaminated because of all the restrictions governments have on sterility and such in labs...but other than that to say HG is better than UG is the equivalent of saying generic drugs are not as good as the brand name, which is obviously false. IT'S THE SAME CHEMICAL!! As long as you can trust your supplier, you shouldn't have a problem. As far as being underdosed, considering how cheap powders are I highly doubt it. As a matter of fact, I always suspected suppliers to slightly overdose their gear just to keep customers happy.

 

[GANCHO]

get a good supplier you should be ok

 

[notsobig32]

The only thing I ever worry about from UG is orals or tabs...I just think those are faked with other cheaper products (example var or winny and its just some methyt.) or something like that...

Chris,

I am with you on this. My "friends" rule of thumb used to be that he would either homebrew/reliable UG lab for his off-season but come contest time, he would go with pharm grade products so he could guarantee exactly what he was taking and in what doses.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[bhumik]

I dont know if this is against board rules, but if it is just delete it...

I was bored at work today and went to that site (YES THAT SITE) Getbig.com and I was reading all the post by gh15 (undercover pro, or whatever he is) and he was saying that all UG grade stuff (99 percent anyway) was bunk or way underdosed...Now here at promuscle we have some good UG grade DVD's...I dont believe that is totally true...He went on to say that you should only use human grade stuff (which I agree, if you can get your hands on, and afford it) He said the effects of human vs. UG DVD's is no comparison...??? What do you guys think ???

hey man,, i lived in a country that you can buy stuff OTC. and its pretty similar.. INfact, the OTC stuff is so painful, cause it has 20% BA that everytime i stick it alone it makes me SICk for 2 days.. As long as the UG lab is getting the powders from the right source, i think they are pretty comparable in quality.

 

[cooper250]

just my 2 cents...............but when ive ever used ug in the past i just assume its all test e. many labs use test for everything from decca to primo ect. and for the most part whos gonna know except the poor women who decides to run anavar and ends up with d-ball or methyltest.......i mean do u guys really think half the labs out there even have there powders tested??doubt it!im sure theres good labs out there but how well u ever know?i dont compete so for me weather its supposedly hg. amps or ug id just pick a test and maybe an oral.just my feelings from my experiences.later!

 

[LATS]

DEPENDS.. some ug suppliers actually have their products made by licensed plants.. now, if that is the case, it should be just as potent and pure as any human grade since they will be manfactured the same.. that being said, many ug suppliers in the past said they did this and they did not.. so in essense, human grade will be a safer bet.. but, if the ug is making it by licensed plant.. all is good.. i know some guys in the uk that use ug stuff made in the uk.. and swear by it.. and it is not made in a licensed facility.. they say it is the best ect ect.. in other words, if ya find a product that worked for ya ug or hg stick with it..