RP sets, dropsets etc.

[madg]

I tried it. Good way and would save my joints... but i hate checking the time between sets all the time.

Yes checkimg timr is annoying but that why i do it for joint health and till now 20 year training no problem

I have tiny joints so this suite me better than always increasing weights

 

[ape1nope]

I include both periodically…just for variety. I haven’t made it a strict part of my routine tho. Both definitely have their benefits.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

I am a firm believer in being as resourceful as possible, and searching through previous posts / comments before even considering asking a question around here. Especially since this site's search function, in particular, is quite good, and many members are cool being helpful in DMs.

That said, it seems like any time someone asks a question there will nevitably be a bunch of "Jesus Christ you making this too complicated, just eat food and train hard" comments. I'm not saying anyone in particular because its always different, but is not the point of coming to a forum like this to discuss the nuance of training, nutrition, and for some, drugs?

Even in that goofy meal timing thread there was some good points for discussion before it got weird and flew off the rails into oblivion.

I know i know, sir, this is a Wendy's. I'll have a Dave's Double and a liter-a-cola

 

[kastro]

I did muscle rounds while doing a cruise running Fortitude years ago.Worked well the way Scott has them implemented.

 

[w8tlifterty]

Is it me or you just make this shit overcomplecated things that are simple AF. I never thought twice if i should add a set or intesyfiers, ill just do it. Somtimes if i feel like i got more in me i'll just kill myself and i can't imagine to even think over that twice. The goal is to leave the gym with additional stress then we put on ourselfs before. How you achive it is personal and sytuation dependent thing. It's obious that you are not killing yourself with rp/dr etc when the recovery is lacking and you are 7days before the show. But if you are in calories surplas, just work fuc*ing hard, eat your meals and sleep as much as you can. I don't get it. You can say I'm being picky but im just a simple man, and especially now working with Luki i see how i overcomplicated things over the years. I've now making the best progress of my life by not making anual decisions over a stupid things, just make it simple and repeatable day in and day out. Stop thining, start doing. This is how i see it... You can now crucified me.

Crucify you!?! Shit, this should be the Old Testament of bodybuilding

 

[buck]

My experience i s that if i push things to where the brain thinks growing muscle is the smart thing to do. Failure or other intensity tricks work well. If i add drop sets RP ect. then i have to cut back on my total number of sets or things regress. Or it takes longer to recover and then grow. Just depends on how i deal with it.

 

[Necrias]

I get more out of high intensity work, so I incorporate this stuff a lot for my top set. Then I drop the weight significantly and do a set focused on tension/tempo. I do that for every exercise, and do 6 exercises per workout. So 12 working sets, half high intensity, half tension/tempo. Great pumps and very efficient time wise!

 

[Pull Freak]

I love RP and MYOS. Bad thing is they send my appetite through the roof! They are a good way to get intensity specially when you train alone. As I do.

 

[TeaMan]

Crucify you!?! Shit, this should be the Old Testament of bodybuilding

That was assumption as people often here just don't like when someone have an opinion that differs

 

[hawkmoon]

The only thing I wonder about, as ´science´ says(I know science isn´t everything but still) that there isn´t really a point going to beyond failure. Like 1-2 reps in reserve gives the same stimulus vs less fatigue. I believe @luki7788 also said this.

Science is a great place to start, but no one here is a novice.

If you aren't going beyond your previous point of failure, your existing level of adaptation, why would your body produce more muscle tissue?

What would be the point of adding expensive tissue to the body if it's not absolutely required?

The people in studies, even the more comprehensive ones are nowhere near ProM level athletes.

 

[cashrolling]

Been training for over 20 years ,I tried them all. For a moment few years back I got cought up with all that theory of taking it easy, not going to failure, keep a rep in the tank, don't stay in the gym more than 50minutes, all that shit(at least to me). And I can say that at least for MYSELF, THAT DONT WORK. What works for me is go in the gym, completely destroy the trained muscle, doesn't matter how :drop sets, RP, rounds, high reps, low reps, volume, everything......just go in and train till the muscle is fully done and reach failure multiple times, can take 45min, can take 2hr, I don't watch time no more. I truly enjoy every workout .That's what works for me.....

 

[alfresco]

Science is a great place to start, but no one here is a novice.

If you aren't going beyond your previous point of failure, your existing level of adaptation, why would your body produce more muscle tissue?

What would be the point of adding expensive tissue to the body if it's not absolutely required?

The people in studies, even the more comprehensive ones are nowhere near ProM level athletes.

End of story. I’m out. Done.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[d4ve]

I've met exactly 0 big people who haven't used intensifiers liberally at least at some point in their quest for size.

I can understand getting more selective with them during a prep / diet, when your motivation to train hard may outpace your recovery abilities. But if you're taking in plenty of food and gear, and recovery is on point...I agree with @TeaMan. Way overthinking things if you're wondering whether you "should" do them. I'm a nerd and think about bodybuilding constantly, but I've never thought myself out of training hard. The people who seem to...I have to wonder if they even like training. I get that bodybuilding is trendy right now, but you know you don't have to do this, right? Training hard AF is the whole point. If that doesn't sound fun to you, pick another pursuit.

I do think overall volume and how far you take your sets is self-governing, though. If you go into the gym with a DC-style mindset and attack your "one big set" for a movement with literally everything you have...you'll give it everything you have. If you err towards more volume, you might still add the intensifiers, but you're just not going to take as much out of yourself with every set. Either way is fine, and either way you will get to a point in the session when you don't have to question whether you did enough.

 

[intensevolume1]

Science is a great place to start, but no one here is a novice.

If you aren't going beyond your previous point of failure, your existing level of adaptation, why would your body produce more muscle tissue?

What would be the point of adding expensive tissue to the body if it's not absolutely required?

The people in studies, even the more comprehensive ones are nowhere near ProM level athletes.

It doesn't take failure to produce mgf.
It does not take failure to provide the stimulus for growth to take place.

Absolutely required is an interesting choice of words.

There's people that grow without going to failure or trying to go beyond
that are as big as ProM level athletes.

The only thing I wonder about, as ´science´ says(I know science isn´t everything but still) that there isn´t really a point going to beyond failure. Like 1-2 reps in reserve gives the same stimulus vs less fatigue. I believe @luki7788 also said this.

Science doesn't say anything as it's a process and doesn't have the ability to speak. it deals in probabilities not certainties.
Science is not a person, group, research paper, etc.

 

[TomJ]

Do you guys utilize those? In the past I just added more sets instead of doing RP, Dropsets etc.

I´m thinking now of adding some RP/dropsets. I am a low volume, high intensity guy(like 6-12 sets per bodypart per week).

Do you find them to be really beneficial instead of just adding a few sets?

Generally speaking, for most people, doing your final set RP or some other intensifier technique is going to accumulate less systemic fatigue than adding a whole other set. At least in my experience.

I am not particularly a "low volume" guy. But I am a big proponent of training intensity as a more efficient avenue to hypertrophy than additional volume, generally speaking.

My training usually going with 2 or 3 working sets in most movements, and my general practice is the second to last set is taken to absolute failure and the final set will be rest paused attempting to get to the same number of reps again, just to keep it fun and make it a bit of a game for myself.

I use rest pause and loaded stretched partials as intensifiers pretty frequently, but I don't honestly do drop sets or strip sets or anything else like those unless it's a selected machine because it's just too much of a hassle to change the weight.

 

[aHarness]

Science doesn't say anything as it's a process and doesn't have the ability to speak.

Jesus fucking Christ dude

 

[intensevolume1]

Jesus fucking Christ dude

It may come across as pedantic but it's not and it's true it is a misrepresentation of what science is. There are claims and conclusions, but there is no such thing as science saying anything.
This shouldn't be a controversial or a Jesus fucking christ statement.
If people come here to learn then the information should be correct

 

[lifter]

Jesus fucking Christ dude

Yeah, lol, that bro always seems to be on full tilt.

 

[lifter]

Science doesn't say anything as it's a process and doesn't have the ability to speak. it deals in probabilities not certainties.
Science is not a person, group, research paper, etc.

I am going to guess and mostly hope that you do not have a career in science. Science deals in both probabilities and certainties, not one or the other.

 

[Brocksamson2.0]

JUst to add gasoline to this fire, does anyone remember Cybergenics? It was a whole training system based only around supersets...