RPN Havoc Cycle (suggestions)

[HeavyHands]

Been reading many many good things about RPN's prohormone supplement, Havoc. I have read that there are very little sides with Havoc, especially compared to things like Superdrol. I am looking into getting my hands on some soon (before this stuff gets banned lol!) but I was wondering what you guys would suggest taking while on a cycle/off cycle as far as support goes. Is it necessary to take things like milk thistle while on? And as for once I get off, what kind of PCT is sufficient for such a prohormone? Would it require Nolva, or could I get away with taking something OTC?

Any help/suggestions are greatly appreciated!

 

[hawkmoon]

I personally greatly preferred SD to Epi.
Epi gave me little to no gains and gyno.
On SD I gained nearly 25lbs in four weeks.

 

[Prometheus615]

but can u get the original SD anymore?

 

[hawkmoon]

I used CEL's M-Drol and was very happy with it.

 

[VNV]

Over two and a half months, I gained 30 lbs without changing my body composition on 30 mg havoc + 15 mg dbol EOD (on workout days).

I wouldn't have believe it if I hadn't tried it myself. PCT was simply standard nolva, starting at 40 mg and tapering down 10 mg each week. Worked like a charm.

 

[nomatter]

I dont understand the gyno at all with Havoc, no shit it relieved any symptoms I had in 3 days. Its an anti estrogen...and all claims I have heard say it works well to combat gyno, and many are using it as the end of a cycle of Superdrol for that purpose and/or for pct.

I too had better gains with superdrol, but felt like hell after 3 full weeks and gave it up. Tired all the time. Kept most of the gains however.

Just my experience, everyone is different however. The superdrol clone I used was massdrol btw. Kilosports. No plug intended.

 

[B~RAD]

I dont mean to hijack the thread guys, but I'm almost 19 years old and have been training hard since age 15. I compete in pl/strongman and have a very high metabolism. I consume around 4300 calories a day and still havent gained weight in the past 6 months. I was wondering if havoc would be beneficial to me, or if it would just fuck up my test levels and sperm count. Everyone on the internet says not to do it so young. But everyone I talk to around the gyms say havoc and spawn are a great mass builder and I know a few 19-21 y/o taking it with very poor cycle support/pct and still claiming no sides. Any thoughts? thanks

 

[Muay Thai]

I used CEL's M-Drol and was very happy with it.

yep

i tried ctd labs decabolan cool product was ok

SD is the shit and RPN havoc is bettter than epistane orig

u guys gaining 15+ pounds jesus how much did you start out weighing? its not easy for me @ 215 5'9 to gain 25 lean lbs lol im about 8% bf

 

[hawkmoon]

yep

i tried ctd labs decabolan cool product was ok

SD is the shit and RPN havoc is bettter than epistane orig

u guys gaining 15+ pounds jesus how much did you start out weighing? its not easy for me @ 215 5'9 to gain 25 lean lbs lol im about 8% bf

I gained about 20lbs. on M-drol over 4 weeks with 10-20-20-20 EOD dosing.
A couple month later I intentionally reduced my size (long story) so I can't comment on perm gains. I went from about 203 to 225. I'm 5'8" about 10% bf.

 

[hawkmoon]

I dont mean to hijack the thread guys, but I'm almost 19 years old and have been training hard since age 15. I compete in pl/strongman and have a very high metabolism. I consume around 4300 calories a day and still havent gained weight in the past 6 months. I was wondering if havoc would be beneficial to me, or if it would just fuck up my test levels and sperm count. Everyone on the internet says not to do it so young. But everyone I talk to around the gyms say havoc and spawn are a great mass builder and I know a few 19-21 y/o taking it with very poor cycle support/pct and still claiming no sides. Any thoughts? thanks

Don't bother with havoc or other hormones.
I competed as a teen bodybuilder and used gear when I was 19 so I am in no position to preach - just my opinon.

Just up yours cals even higher; try adding quality fats: olive oil will get you over 100 cals a TBSP. If your metabolism is that fast, hormones won't really help - what you need is more food. This would be even more true if you were "on".

OTC hormones WILL shut you down and do require PCT, maybe even more so than real gear.

 

[Muay Thai]

I gained about 20lbs. on M-drol over 4 weeks with 10-20-20-20 EOD dosing.
A couple month later I intentionally reduced my size (long story) so I can't comment on perm gains. I went from about 203 to 225. I'm 5'8" about 10% bf.

yes your build is very similar to mine bro

 

[B~RAD]

Don't bother with havoc or other hormones.
I competed as a teen bodybuilder and used gear when I was 19 so I am in no position to preach - just my opinon.

Just up yours cals even higher; try adding quality fats: olive oil will get you over 100 cals a TBSP. If your metabolism is that fast, hormones won't really help - what you need is more food. This would be even more true if you were "on".

OTC hormones WILL shut you down and do require PCT, maybe even more so than real gear.

I'll definately take your advice, thanks. One more question, if you dont mind. How has starting at such a young age effected your health now? and any permanent negative effects after your very first cycle?

 

[strength7]

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[strength7]

Don't bother with havoc or other hormones.
I competed as a teen bodybuilder and used gear when I was 19 so I am in no position to preach - just my opinon.

Just up yours cals even higher; try adding quality fats: olive oil will get you over 100 cals a TBSP. If your metabolism is that fast, hormones won't really help - what you need is more food. This would be even more true if you were "on".

OTC hormones WILL shut you down and do require PCT, maybe even more so than real gear.

SO SO SO TRUE

Pro-hormones are more dangerous than AAS.

 

[strength7]

I dont mean to hijack the thread guys, but I'm almost 19 years old and have been training hard since age 15. I compete in pl/strongman and have a very high metabolism. I consume around 4300 calories a day and still havent gained weight in the past 6 months. I was wondering if havoc would be beneficial to me, or if it would just fuck up my test levels and sperm count. Everyone on the internet says not to do it so young. But everyone I talk to around the gyms say havoc and spawn are a great mass builder and I know a few 19-21 y/o taking it with very poor cycle support/pct and still claiming no sides. Any thoughts? thanks

19 is way to young, you dont even have a base yet. You already have cycle levels of test in you at this point naturally, atleast you should