I remember a guy on this site finding out about his from his hernia surgeon. Doctor told him he had several inches of visceral fat even though he had visible abs. It's thought that androgens play a role in visceral fat along with insulin resistance.
as a surgeon i can tell you...visceral fat can be damn impressive and I see guys quite often who have enorous "bellies" with very little subQ fat, then you cut 'em open and they have inches of fat around their viscera. It's disgusting, and a surgeon nightmare.
The "distended from over eating" doesn't make any sense. If his guy is fairly empty the day of the show then it doesn't matter how stretched it gets when he overfeeds.
I won't say it's insulin...but if I were a bettin' man, I'd say insulin + GH --> poor insulin sensitivity .
I don't think it's the slin that is doing it, I think it's the oil.
Hard to pin anything you see here on insulin. There are comparatively small changes happening here. If you have a small hernia it can and will stretch out with time, just from all the food and lifting. And stomach bloat at one small particular time widow can be due to whatever you just ate.
A few years ago we were arguing about Phil's use or non-use of insulin. "Skip" who knows Phil said Phil doesn't and never did use insulin (back then). Not much GH either, GH only came after many pro wins.
Just looks like hes been training for a long time and each year he grew a little.
Each year he is either better or worse. Depending on condition. Hes not always grtting worse 2016 he was awesome. People are such haters. Ya its the slin. Not years of training and eating its just the slin
The stretching from food theory kills me. It's visceral fat in there.
So how do you get rid of the visceral fat? I have the same issue, lean and veiny everywhere, abs and obliques outlined but got the distension going on. Colonoscopy and CT scan for a recent issue were all clear so it's definitely inside fat. There's gotta be a way to remove it.
Insulin did it to me years ago, of that I'm sure because never had it before the slin. But I haven't touched it in a long ass time.
All very true but I don't get were you state "If his guy is fairly empty the day of the show then it doesn't matter how stretched it gets when he overfeeds". Yes visceral fat could be a major contributing factor for some but I think for most bodybuilders it shouldn't be too bad. It is true though many of these guys also have distended stomachs through the year.
However, how can you not think over eating could contribute to things? Yes it won't change the visceral fat that is or is not there in the short term. But in regards to many bodybuilders who mess with water and mineral (diuretics) levels I think carb loading is the major reason for many having bloated abs on stage. Some are far from depleted in a carb sense. Many are having approx 1000g carbs daily leading up to the show. It 100% makes a difference and I see it all the time on myself too. If it wasn't why do so many turn up for the Sat show much tighter.
I do think visceral fat is a problem for some. I have even seen a tv programme about surgery on fat people and it showed the many inches of visceral fat and it was horrible. But some of these bodybuilders have huge stomachs then weeks later they are gone so it's definitely not visceral fat which would take much longer to get rid of.
Visceral fat is sensitive to androgens, high adrogens mean more visceral fat and it is harder if not impossible to lose vesceral fat if androgens are high:
The best or maybe the only way to lose the visceral fat is to go all natty and diet when hormones are super low, obviously not an option for MR.Olympia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17945484
"Men are usually characterized by the android type of obesity, with accumulation of fat in the abdominal region"
"Accordingly, the amount of fat located inside the abdominal cavity (intra-abdominal or visceral adipose tissue) is twice as high in men compared to women"
Its not Phils first show. He also has a pro trainer. You'd think they would know not to over eat and bloat the stomach before a show... i figured it out in 2 shows prob. 3 at most. dont eat too much:lightbulb:
-F2S
Visceral fat is sensitive to androgens, high adrogens mean more visceral fat and it is harder if not impossible to lose vesceral fat if androgens are high:
The best or maybe the only way to lose the visceral fat is to go all natty and diet when hormones are super low, obviously not an option for MR.Olympia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17945484
"Men are usually characterized by the android type of obesity, with accumulation of fat in the abdominal region"
"Accordingly, the amount of fat located inside the abdominal cavity (intra-abdominal or visceral adipose tissue) is twice as high in men compared to women"
as a surgeon i can tell you...visceral fat can be damn impressive and I see guys quite often who have enorous "bellies" with very little subQ fat, then you cut 'em open and they have inches of fat around their viscera. It's disgusting, and a surgeon nightmare.
The "distended from over eating" doesn't make any sense. If his guy is fairly empty the day of the show then it doesn't matter how stretched it gets when he overfeeds.
I won't say it's insulin...but if I were a bettin' man, I'd say insulin + GH --> poor insulin sensitivity .
Visceral fat is sensitive to androgens, high adrogens mean more visceral fat and it is harder if not impossible to lose vesceral fat if androgens are high:
The best or maybe the only way to lose the visceral fat is to go all natty and diet when hormones are super low, obviously not an option for MR.Olympia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17945484
"Men are usually characterized by the android type of obesity, with accumulation of fat in the abdominal region"
"Accordingly, the amount of fat located inside the abdominal cavity (intra-abdominal or visceral adipose tissue) is twice as high in men compared to women"
Looks like he's doing site enhancement in his lower quads.
Holy fuck. You didn't even read abstract did you? Just saw something and posted a link.
" Association studies have shown that circulating androgens are negatively associated with intra-abdominal fat accumulation in men, which explains an important portion of the link between low androgens and features of the metabolic syndrome."
YOU are part of the reason there's broscience around.
Holy fuck. You didn't even read abstract did you? Just saw something and posted a link.
" Association studies have shown that circulating androgens are negatively associated with intra-abdominal fat accumulation in men, which explains an important portion of the link between low androgens and features of the metabolic syndrome."
YOU are part of the reason there's broscience around.