Since when did beginners need GH and insulin?

[abolish the weak]

Shit is getting crazy now. I see so many new guys using everything and anything. Guys who are doing their first competition in the fucking novice class w/ GH guts, or middleweights w/ massive GH guts, fucking retarded!!What the hell ever happened to eating good, training hard, and using shit like it was meant to be used? When will people understand that genetics play into about 80% of this? The guys who are freaks onstage were usually freaks before ever touching anything. It just baffles me how many gym rats or weekend warriors are pissing away their paychecks on something every other week, and have mediocre bodies.

 

[BigBoyJ]

It's been going on for a while. I remember bitching 10 years ago on the UG about the same thing.

 

[smootheavy]

Shit is getting crazy now. I see so many new guys using everything and anything. Guys who are doing their first competition in the fucking novice class w/ GH guts, or middleweights w/ massive GH guts, fucking retarded!!What the hell ever happened to eating good, training hard, and using shit like it was meant to be used? When will people understand that genetics play into about 80% of this? The guys who are freaks onstage were usually freaks before ever touching anything. It just baffles me how many gym rats or weekend warriors are pissing away their paychecks on something every other week, and have mediocre bodies.

I hear ya...Ive met some guys running GH, insulin, t3 and AAS in one cycle, heavy as shit and for what "cuz I wanna be fuckin jacked man"

 

[machola]

this was said best in another thread. phill started it and nosmas had a great reply that says it all perfectly

WE ALL KNOW THAT NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRAIN THAT WE COULD NEVER LOOK LIKE WILT CHAMBERLAIN OR RUN AS FAST AS USAIN BOLT..........WHY ON EARTH DO THESE GUYS FEEL DISAPPOINTED IF THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE JAY CUTLER OR RONNIE COLEMAN? THINK ABOUT IT................GENETICS..................COMMON SENSE.

Maby its how they look at it. You know how a person might say to themselves "well I am not tall enough to play basketball like Wilt" or "I dont have the genetics of a fast runner from another continent, but those BBrs are just taking drugs, so by following their workout program in the magazines and taking the amount of drugs I have been told they take I should look like Jay....Right?"

 

[abolish the weak]

I'll go further with this:
It's not just beginners who are wasting their time and money while taking huge legal and health risks - it's 99% of the people on any internet muscle board or in any gym.
Why? Because they simply don't possess the genetic potential for any of that to make much difference.

Don't believe me? Look at avatars and around yuo in the gym. How many of those people are even close to, say, being able to stand on a national stage and at least not be embarrased to be there?

Yes indeed. I'd be a liar if I didn't say I was guilty of this myself before. I look back at how much I dropped on gear in the past and how far away from looking like anything special I am. I'm 243 lbs now, at 5'9" and about 10-12% bf,(I'm probably stage ready around 215 lbs) but FAR from anything to make a mark. Now, this isn't to say dont try, but being realistic about this is the best way to be. It took me awhile to get that shit in my head. Next thing you know, your bills are late, you cant do things like go out to dinner with your wife or take a vacation. And for what? To maybe look 5% better than you would off the gear!!! Because that's what it boils down to, without the genetics to be on a national or pro stage it's not going to make as big of a dent as you'd think. And now people think they need every fucking thing. First it was insulin and GH, then IGF, then MGF, then CJC-1295, and GHRP-6. Then it was Melatonin 2, and whatever else is out there. And now, guys arent just taking a little GH, or a run of IGF from time to time. They think they need every damn thing at the same time!!! On top of anabolics!! It's just insane, I mean the ones who are not trying to make a future out of this, how could they be happy? They always think they're never good enough, they need more. Fuck all that shit, I'm going back to the basics like I used to. Low-moderate dose cycles, train hard, eat right. Test and deca, or some primo and anavar, nothing fancy. Just simple. And most importantly , have a life!!

 

[Chrisco915]

Fuck all that shit, I'm going back to the basics like I used to. Low-moderate dose cycles, train hard, eat right. Test and deca, or some primo and anavar, nothing fancy. Just simple. And most importantly , have a life!!

LOL....I am running 400mg Test and 200mg Deca a week.....and by Jove.....I am making all the improvement I need.....if i want to get "radical".....I'll double the dosages or exchange some Tren for the Deca. .......maybe throw some Winny on the end of the Test/Deca combo. I am 39 years old and the only future I see these days is the Senior stage..........and I'm having trouble seeing it just now. Talk to me in a few years and we'll see.......if I remember what I was trying to do. LOL.

I always wondered what it would be like to run all that stuff, pay all that money and then die from side effects before I got to where I wanted to be.

 

[vadim_b1]

Shit is getting crazy now. I see so many new guys using everything and anything. Guys who are doing their first competition in the fucking novice class w/ GH guts, or middleweights w/ massive GH guts, fucking retarded!!What the hell ever happened to eating good, training hard, and using shit like it was meant to be used? When will people understand that genetics play into about 80% of this? The guys who are freaks onstage were usually freaks before ever touching anything. It just baffles me how many gym rats or weekend warriors are pissing away their paychecks on something every other week, and have mediocre bodies.

guts are not just due to gh

a lot of them are due to bad posture, muscle imbalance (strong erectors vs weak abs will cause stomach to hang), overloaded livers, bad intestinal flora
and plain bloating due to failed carb loads.
you just cant make those assumptions.

and if they are really pissing their paychecks on something they dont need and look bad because of it, why do you care?
If you look good it only makes you look better.

 

[Chrisco915]

THanks Abolish and Chrisco - it nice to hear a bit of sanity for a change!

Best wishes for the New Year!

You too good sir....Happy New Year!!!!

 

[kfrost06]

guts are not just due to gh

a lot of them are due to bad posture, muscle imbalance (strong erectors vs weak abs will cause stomach to hang), overloaded livers, bad intestinal flora
and plain bloating due to failed carb loads.

and some guts are due to beer and hot wings with blue cheese dressing and lame excuses when it comes time to do cardio.

 

[Chrisco915]

and some guts are due to beer and hot wings with blue cheese dressing and lame excuses when it comes time to do cardio.

That sounds good......but I did do my cardio this morning. Those wings sound awesome.....gotta get some.

 

[klowndog]

Well these compounds may not make these guys look like Jay or Ronnie, but even if it makes them feel like they are in the same universe as those two, mission accomplished. As more complex compounds become available, with promises of rapid, easy growth, who wouldn't try them, as long as they have that kind of money to spend? If they never try it, they'll never know if they had what it takes or not. One in a thousand newbies that tries this stuff will accidentally discover he is the next Ronnie or Jay. Or maybe all that glory is reserved for only the few old school elite that "know" what to take.

 

[LeanMass17]

A lot of guys might disagree with me when I say this, but I think the majority of AAS users aren't trying to be professional body builders. In my opinion they are trying to achieve personal goals. We see the majority of women wearing makeup, high heels, fake nails, etc. in an effort to enhance their appearance. Some even go to the extent of breast augmentation, rhinoplasty and other surgeries to acquire what we perceive as beauty. Men are no different and feel the tension of society's ideals on there shoulders. The difference here is that men want a powerful, sleek, muscular look. Cosmetic surgery is an option, but it’s very expensive, risky and some what feminine in nature. I mean come on if you met a guy with pec implants what would you think. I would think he is a lazy douche bag…AAS has provided a lot of these guys with an affordable and acceptable solution to their problem. AAS may be controversial, but in my experience it doesn’t ostracize you from everyone. Not something you may want to break the ice with, but most women are cool with it as long as your not going over board, just like plastic surgery, make up, etc… Obviously, since we have so many guys trying to achieve these goals in a short period of time, with a lack of reliable knowledge and products from a black market there is going to be serious repercussions. A lot of these guys apply the “more is better” philosophy which leads to problems. In addition, I think you guys did touch on the fact that if they are reading literature with professional body builders, they are apt to follow it. Even if they don’t want to be the next Jay or Ronnie, in their mind how can they fail at their personal goals if they are following someone’s advice who has already achieved and surpassed them?
I think it would be helpful for a lot of guys who are in good enough shape to try AAS to know what wonders 12 weeks of test will do with hard work and proper diet. There’s no need to use compounds like GH when your 5’10 170lbs and you want to be 185lbs. I think there is too much overdosing now too, no one is patient anymore. Diminishing returns is a rule of life and it goes for AAS too. Just my two cents….

 

[njpooldude]

and some guts are due to beer and hot wings with blue cheese dressing and lame excuses when it comes time to do cardio.

ya know... im sittin here wonderin what the heck me and the mrs will have for dinner when she gets home from work...


thanks for your post... place up the street has the BEST wings!!! but no beer for me.

 

[Ivanko]

Since every 18 year old saw a pic of Arnold at age 19 and Trey Brewer at 20 and decided "holy shit, If I take GH, slin, and 2gs of test I'll be just like them in a year or two!" That's gotta be how they did it!"

 

[njpooldude]

That sounds good......but I did do my cardio this morning. Those wings sound awesome.....gotta get some.

LOL! i read this after i posted.... glad im not the only one

 

[jcwill]

i can say that at one time i was thinking that i had to take everything to get big, but now i see its consistency that makes champion, i have done enough things to know that test, diet and training make me grow just as fast as the other stuff without min side effects, and not i doses but low constant doses allow me to beat the log books and help my recovery, but i know some high dosing goes on but the cost of the stuff doesnt equal what result come, and what sacrifice on your bodies horomone system and at young ages the sacrifice people make that cannot be undone, but i understand they have dreams to be pro but i know alot of people who dont have that goal and spend alot on money on gear and nothing on food, WHY?

 

[vadim_b1]

people spend money on worse things...

as i said, who cares, let them, it only makes you look better

 

[Big_Truck]

people spend money on worse things...

as i said, who cares, let them, it only makes you look better

Exactly.

To throw out some thing else to think about. I like how others try to justify their own usage by saying & or thinking , 'oh I only use low doses now' , 'Just test and tren for me', 'I use everything but insulin'....

I guess in their own world that makes them less dependent on what they take, and it is ok for them not to be a top competitor onstage or look like jay & ronnie.... because they haven't used EVERYTHING out there... But almost everything lol.

 

[dragonfire101]

The way I see it rec lifters who just want a little help as they mature and test levels and GH levels go down after 30 should be just doing 200-300mg Test a week tops and maybe 2iu GH ED to be on the high physiological side of HRT. That should be plenty to achieve a great physique without most if any sides if training hard and dieting correctly.

 

[e6er]

Face it, no matter how good you look, you always think you can improve. You are your own worst critic. I'm sure most of us look at ourselves and think, I need to improve this or that. It will always be this way for most.