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Hi , I was wondering if is it possible to do a strictly anabolic and non-androgenic BULK.

also, how much hair growth(on face and body) is expected during a androgenic/test bulk cycle?
 
Are you a female? :confused: What are you worried about hair growth on your face? If you have hit puberty then you should already have that... But seriously to answer your question sure you can bulk with whatever you want... By anabolic bulk I assume you are thinking of leaving test out of the equation?? If so I would personally think it would be a waste.... To me test is the best for bulking... If you are worried about bloat from test just use prop... There is plenty of info on this board about bulking and so forth... Just search or go to the articles section and look at growth principles for beginners... It is a really good read and should put you on the right path.... Because from what I am getting from your (first) post (and I may be wrong, and if so I apologize) that you are basically new to this and need to do some research.... I hope this helped... And I was just messing with ya on the female thing... ;) Best of luck!!
 
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Hi , I was wondering if is it possible to do a strictly anabolic and non-androgenic BULK.

also, how much hair growth(on face and body) is expected during a androgenic/test bulk cycle?

It's my understanding that any aas will shut down your own test, so a HRT dose of 150mg/week is recommended. Then you can add your prefered anabolic, be it deca, eq or whatever. By doing this you won't have any androgenic side effects because the test in your blood will be in fairly normal levels.
If you're prone to be bald and hairy (they usually come together), an androgenic cycle may contribute to your baldness and make your body hair a bit thicker, but if you're one of those guys that look like has just been brazilian waxed with a full head of hair, I wouldn't worry about it.
 
all gear is androgenic.. or has androgenic properties.. it is just that some have more than others.. but, running deca and eq ect will keep the androgen content down, it will not eliminate it.. run a base of test as mentioned above and find the androgenic/anabolic ratios of various compounds.. choose the lot that has the lowest androgenic ratio..
there are many who run cycles without test in the equation and do just fine.. all test including prop ect will have androgenic sides if run at equal amounts.. i know a ferw guys who do very well running deca, eq, anavar, primo ect without test and do fine.. some hate it.. it is very indivdual..
 
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what exactly do you mean by this statement......"all test including prop ect will have androgenic sides if run at equal amounts.. "......just not sure what you are saying here........thanks and stay safe.....ss.
 
try oral turinabol... that's very good bulking drug with no andro sides
 
wow

Thank you all for the quick responses and yes i am new to this site. I have joined other muscle forums and have asked the same question but its been almost 2 weeks and no one has responded to my question but over here you guys have answered in less than a day so i thank you for that. I really need help and advice before i make the wrong decision .

okay first of all i am not female. im attaching a pic of myself.(yea its kinda goofy but whatever) okay im going to try to make this as short as possible but i still have a feeling its gonna be kinda a long read. But here goes. OKay i have been doing alot of research for the past year on AAS and testosterone and DHT. I believe that when i was a teen I had very high testosterone levels that also for sum reason converted into DHT. Because of this high level of DHT conversion i fought battles with acne (was on accutane/roaccutane a few times) im 26 now and my skin is almost perfectly clear and has been for the past 2 years or so I believe this is because my test levels have dropped considerably since my teen years , when i was bigger, stronger and had more energy. Another side effect from the high level of DHT conversion was hair growth. I have twice as much body hair as my dad. I have hair everywhere, chest, a lil on shoulders, fine hair on ears, neck, even around the eyesocket and cheek bone which makes it hard to shave because i have to keep shaving higher and higher.

Now, you might understand why im afraid of doing a highly androgenic bulk. Highly androgenic bulks will cause massive dht conversion . From my research its the DHT conversion /androgens that will cause the oily skin acne and hair growth. I do NOT want any more hair growth , i actually need to LOSE hair not gain more. I also do NOT want acne. Since i had it when i was in my teens, does this mean i will get it again if i cycle?

So i did research to try to protect myself and try to find a non androgenic and strictly anabolic bulk cycle. But i cant find one. unfortunately, from what i have researched and understood, all bulkers are highly androgenic and all cutters are not. I do not need to CUT. I am already cut enough. I need to BULK and BULK only. Im also gettin conflicting reports from people telling me that since it will be my first bulk i should go all out (since i will make the most gains my first cycle) with decca, dbol and test (enanthate is the one that ive been recommended since the faster acting tests bring on more sides) and some people say i should just do a test cycle at low does like 500 mg a week and then on 2nd and 3rd cycles add more things like decca and dbol

so now maybe you have a little more information on what i need help with and what im talking about and my worries ect. if anyone can help me out or if anyone has had success with this stuff called "saw palmetto extract" which is a natural DHT blocker (i was thinking to maybe take that to fight the dht sides but dont know if it will do anything or not) please let me know you can also add me to msn or email me at [email protected]

its really good to be in company of those who can help out i really appreciate it. thank you.
-b-
 

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Test alone will give most people acne....for me its mostly on the back so its not noticable to girls if you keep your shirt on...but since I can see your email addy...its seems to me like you take your shirt off alot on the weekends due to the euphoria experimentations...been there done that... honestly if your going to poke yourself for the first time you should think about changing your whole aspect of life...this isnt a one time or even a five time ordeal...its a way of life...sure you will get bigger fairly quick due to protein synthesis... But what is your main reason why you want to do this? ask yourself if you really think you want this for the right reasons...
 
haha. i still love the music and stuff but i stopped the drugs a couple years ago. weird thing is when i was on mdma, my muscles would get so full and hard like it would give me a crazy pump. but yea i have quit that and i have also given alot of thought about aas and why and if i should do it. I think i should, my italian suppliers think i have a good body already and think i would look great with aas since i am already cut and defined.
 
Thank you all for the quick responses and yes i am new to this site. I have joined other muscle forums and have asked the same question but its been almost 2 weeks and no one has responded to my question but over here you guys have answered in less than a day so i thank you for that. I really need help and advice before i make the wrong decision .

okay first of all i am not female. im attaching a pic of myself.(yea its kinda goofy but whatever) okay im going to try to make this as short as possible but i still have a feeling its gonna be kinda a long read. But here goes. OKay i have been doing alot of research for the past year on AAS and testosterone and DHT. I believe that when i was a teen I had very high testosterone levels that also for sum reason converted into DHT. Because of this high level of DHT conversion i fought battles with acne (was on accutane/roaccutane a few times) im 26 now and my skin is almost perfectly clear and has been for the past 2 years or so I believe this is because my test levels have dropped considerably since my teen years , when i was bigger, stronger and had more energy. Another side effect from the high level of DHT conversion was hair growth. I have twice as much body hair as my dad. I have hair everywhere, chest, a lil on shoulders, fine hair on ears, neck, even around the eyesocket and cheek bone which makes it hard to shave because i have to keep shaving higher and higher.

Now, you might understand why im afraid of doing a highly androgenic bulk. Highly androgenic bulks will cause massive dht conversion . From my research its the DHT conversion /androgens that will cause the oily skin acne and hair growth. I do NOT want any more hair growth , i actually need to LOSE hair not gain more. I also do NOT want acne. Since i had it when i was in my teens, does this mean i will get it again if i cycle?

So i did research to try to protect myself and try to find a non androgenic and strictly anabolic bulk cycle. But i cant find one. unfortunately, from what i have researched and understood, all bulkers are highly androgenic and all cutters are not. I do not need to CUT. I am already cut enough. I need to BULK and BULK only. Im also gettin conflicting reports from people telling me that since it will be my first bulk i should go all out (since i will make the most gains my first cycle) with decca, dbol and test (enanthate is the one that ive been recommended since the faster acting tests bring on more sides) and some people say i should just do a test cycle at low does like 500 mg a week and then on 2nd and 3rd cycles add more things like decca and dbol

so now maybe you have a little more information on what i need help with and what im talking about and my worries ect. if anyone can help me out or if anyone has had success with this stuff called "saw palmetto extract" which is a natural DHT blocker (i was thinking to maybe take that to fight the dht sides but dont know if it will do anything or not) please let me know you can also add me to msn or email me at [email protected]

its really good to be in company of those who can help out i really appreciate it. thank you.
-b-


There's low androgenic gear and high androgenic gear, but it doesn't sound like you want to deal with either, so I'd say:
Try BigHeinz's bulking diet or any high caloric/high protein diet with no gear and maybe read a bit on peptides.

Good luck.
 
There's low androgenic gear and high androgenic gear, but it doesn't sound like you want to deal with either, so I'd say:
Try BigHeinz's bulking diet or any high caloric/high protein diet with no gear and maybe read a bit on peptides.

Good luck.

After reading your post, Allex just gave you the best advice for your situation... Bottom line "bulking" has more to do with the amount of calories you ingest daily than the kind or amount of gear you use... To me your diet means more than anything! Because no matter how much gear you use, if your diet is not where it should be then you are going to be running in place so to speak... So if I were you I would concentrate on getting in a good amount of calories with the emphasis being on getting in at least 300 grams of protein a day... Train hard, and eat! That is what bulking is all about... If and when you get your diet down, if you want to throw in some aas I would go with anavar or primo... Those would be the safest bets for you... I wish you the best! Again, I was only kidding about the female thing! ;) Good luck!
 
smallsparrow.. what i mean is that test prop is just another form (ester) of test.. prop will still make ya hold water and give ya estrogenic side effects as any other test ester.. prop is shorter acting of course and when taken eod will build up in the body and cause the same sides as most test esters.. taking600 mgs of test prop and 600 mgs of test enth will elicit the same effect.. the old saying of "test is test" is very true.. at least in regards to the side effects..
 
see the diet thing is almost down but what works against me is my super fast metabolism. by next morning my once full belly from the previous night is totally gone. my body burns it off too damn quick. also, how are u gettin in 300 grams of protein a day. its hard for me to get in 200-250! (thats WITH like 2 high protein whey shakes.)

diet is essential when on aas. that is true. but then again the idea of bulking aas cycles and cutting aas cycles means that when guys wanna do a bulk cycle , with proper diet they can add up to 30 pounds. and a cutting cycle, with diet and the AS acting as fat shredders, you can loose substantial BF.
 
There are so many good threads on here concerning bulking and nutrition that you should not have any trouble getting to where you want to be... These are two articles that came to mind immediately that you should definitely read because they will help you immensely in your search for size... They are two of the best things that I have read concerning training and nutrition... I know alot of guys will say that we should let you take the time to find them for yourself, but I wish someone would have pointed me in the right direction from the beginning so I would not have wasted so much time spinning my wheels... Take the time to read these thoroughly... Good luck!!

[http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21302
http://freakzonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22233
 
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I know of 2 pros that hate test and hardly ever use it. Actually, make that 3. :D I also personally know 2 guys how never do HRt and never have a problem losing strength or getting an erection. One was off for alomst a year and didn't really lose all that much. Point is everyone is different. Personally years ago I ran 400mg of EQ weekly and 30mg var and gained 9 solid in about 4 weeks. Went from 240 to 249 if I am remembering correctly.
 
YEAH.. THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT DONT CARE FOR TEST.. many refered to test as "dirty".. and did not like the sides ect.. i talked to one retired pro who said his off season was 225 of parabolan for 8 weeks.. off 4.. would not touch test.. like para because of no water retention, no dht conversion ect.. and he said without anti e's he could not get a erection on test.. so there are no rules..
 
I may be wrong but Lee Priest doesn't use test at all... Or at least that is what he has been quoted as saying... But I can see where one would not need test as the basis of their cycle... There is an older guy who was a construction worker who passed through our town a few years ago and he was a competitive bb back in the day... He said that he mainly used deca and dbol... Never used test very much... Said he didn't really like it and that it wasn't that effective at putting on quality muscle....
 

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