Super Test 450

sablya · Jun 19, 2006

Man, this stuff hurts a lot. I've been alternating left glute, right glute, hup, two, three, four. But it takes a whole week for the damn thing to stop hurting and then I inject the other side.

Some questions for the pros:

1. What actually causes the pain, and the lump that I inevitably get? Is it lack of absorption or what?

2. I tried heating the oil before injecting to reduce the viscosity. Not too hot, maybe 180F. That seemed to help some. Will this harm the gear? Is this okay?

3. Would it be a good or bad idea to mix the 450 with some regular Cypionate? Might it reduce the pain? Change the "time-release" characteristics of the 450?

4. Are there any other ways to reduce the pain?

sablya · Jun 19, 2006

It just struck me as ironic that I'm avoiding orals to prevent damage to my liver and then end up taking pain medication for the injection pain and damaging my liver...duh.

Macdaddy · Jun 20, 2006

Sounds like a real pain in the ass!!

T450 is notorious for pain. The high amounts of solvent they use to suspend that much test will cause severe irritation to the muscle tissue it comes in contact with. The only way around it is to dilute it down with sterile oil. That is exactly why most test preperations come in 200mg/ml. These new high dose products are really not a very intelligent approach. You would be better off injecting 2 ml of 200mg/ml than 1 ml of the T450.

sablya · Jun 20, 2006

Thanks for the reply, Macdaddy. Don't try to make me laugh though, cuz it hurts when I laugh.

Where is the best place to get sterile oil?

Boo · Jun 20, 2006

Kaotik ( board sponsor ) has a good deal on sesame oil ( listed under chemicals.)

Boo.

IronMike · Jun 20, 2006

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I'm similarly confused by the need to amp up such high dose mg/ml products. Just makes no sense to me unless you were on so many grams a day you were trying to limit injections, and I don't think anybody in the world could be in a boat where they need gear at 450mg/ml. ouch

IronMike

sablya · Jun 20, 2006

Dave_19 said:
yes this works good, I have done it with prop in the past, Its just $7.00 from kaotik for 50ml huge bottle of oil:

**broken link removed**

Get one of those and an empty sterile bottle you can dilute the t450 with 30-50% oil and the pain will not be as bad.

The site seems to be broken. I added the oil and a couple of sterile bottles and lids to the shopping cart, but can't get past the disclaimer page. I checked the box and clicked the only button but nothing happens.

sablya · Jun 20, 2006

IronMike said:
I'm similarly confused by the need to amp up such high dose mg/ml products. Just makes no sense to me unless you were on so many grams a day you were trying to limit injections, and I don't think anybody in the world could be in a boat where they need gear at 450mg/ml. ouch

IronMike

I'm not sure why they make it. I bought it because it was the best price per mg T. Plus it comes in stealth which is very good. I didn't believe it would hurt as much as it does!

If diluting it with sterile oil makes the pain tolerable it still makes sense since the oil is damn cheap.

Macdaddy · Jun 20, 2006

I'm pretty sure they are making it in response to todays high dose craze everyone is talking about. The problem is that they are making these with total disregard for basic pharmacology. But the hype is selling it. Hey, if 200 mg is good, then 450 mg must be more than twice as good. D U M B!!! You will start to see people really messing themselves up with these high doses. Hey, if a pro is doing 2 grams of test, a gram of Tren, and 100 mg of Anadrol a day, then maybe I should too. WRONG!! Another one is this situation with all these vet anabolics we are seeing on the market. How many dogs do you know that are on Test Cyp, Tesp Prop, Test Enanthate, Trenbolone, Dbol, Anadrol, Winny or Anavar. Common, these are blatently marketed for black market bodybuilding. These drugs weren't even designed for animal use. I would be willing to bet that more than 90% of the product they sell, ends up being used by Humans not animals. And now with the internet, they are able to get the word out to more and more people.

There, I feel better now.

By the way, Sabyla, I am not saying you are dumb for buying T450 - if the pricing is good, you can dilute it down and get a nice product. Its just dumb that they even make a pharmacuticle like that.

bluto · Jun 22, 2006

Ive had some 400mg test blend

I had the same problem with some 400mg test, and found the only solution was to mix say 10ml 400mg with 20ml of 200mg test(or deca, primo etc) to get 30ml of test blend. Took away the pain and irritation completly and had a potent blend of test esters for bulking. I couldnt get sterile oil.

terryd5150 · Jun 22, 2006

I will never understand what the point of high mg/mL gear is.

Just shoot 2cc's of the regular stuff and enjoy pain-free work outs.

The pain you are feeling is most likely from the high amount of solvent used to hold the gear in solution at that high of a concentration.

Queefer · Jun 22, 2006

Why do we buy it? Because it costs half the price, that's why. I'm with ya man, this shit hurts like frigin hell. I can barely take the pain, cause it does get really bad at times. Problem is, I bought 40 ml's and really hate to waste it. Shot into my quad the other day and it formed a 3 inch bruise the next day. I've been using half a ml at a time and it's a little more tolerable.

sablya · Jun 30, 2006

Queefer said:
Why do we buy it? Because it costs half the price, that's why. I'm with ya man, this shit hurts like frigin hell. I can barely take the pain, cause it does get really bad at times. Problem is, I bought 40 ml's and really hate to waste it. Shot into my quad the other day and it formed a 3 inch bruise the next day. I've been using half a ml at a time and it's a little more tolerable.

Bump. I took the advice to get some sterile oil. After some research I decided to get grape seed oil from the PM sponsor, ResearchLabSupply. I am VERY happy with their quick service and the quality and packaging of the product.

I extracted and injected 5ml sterile oil and 5ml T450 into a 10 ml vial to get 225 mg/ml. I didn't experience ANY pain from that. So, it's a total success. I highly recommed the T450 stealth from alin and the sterile grape seed oil from ResearchLabSupply.

gh direct · Jun 30, 2006

sablya said:
Bump. I took the advice to get some sterile oil. After some research I decided to get grape seed oil from the PM sponsor, ResearchLabSupply. I am VERY happy with their quick service and the quality and packaging of the product.

I extracted and injected 5ml sterile oil and 5ml T450 into a 10 ml vial to get 225 mg/ml. I didn't experience ANY pain from that. So, it's a total success. I highly recommed the T450 stealth from alin and the sterile grape seed oil from ResearchLabSupply.

yeah anything over 300 mg imo is to much. the ba is to high and it hurts liike a mofo, i have some great prop right now at 150 mg/ml very smooth

terryd5150 · Jul 7, 2006

Queefer said:
Why do we buy it? Because it costs half the price, that's why.

I'm gonna give you an opinion on this and maybe it won't change anyone's mind, but maybe it will help the new guys out some:

You are shooting this stuff into your body, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE BARGAIN HUNTING!

Hope that helps.

sablya · Jul 18, 2006

This test comes from Alinshop. There's nothing wrong with the quality ...a good blend of esters. 1000 mg every 7-9 days is perfect. Great price, great quality. No need to warn anyone!