T3 and T4 dosing “sweet spot”

[luki7788]

Just got my thyroid numbers back, I think I should supplement t4 but I’m not 100% sure. Any help would be appreciated @Black Beard

Tsh 2.47 (0.35 - 5)
Free t4 13 (11-27)
Free t3 3.7 (3.4- 5.9)

This is about 2 weeks after a long cut, used DNP and I also just started hgh

Prev lab work from 14 months ago has me at:

Tsh 0.83 (0.35 - 5)
Free t4 21 (11-27)
Free t3 4.6 (3.4- 5.9)

If you use gh now I suggested add 50mcg t4

 

[dimethyl11]

If you use gh now I suggested add 50mcg t4

Great thanks!!

 

[Black Beard]

Just got my thyroid numbers back, I think I should supplement t4 but I’m not 100% sure. Any help would be appreciated @Black Beard

Tsh 2.47 (0.35 - 5)
Free t4 13 (11-27)
Free t3 3.7 (3.4- 5.9)

This is about 2 weeks after a long cut, used DNP and I also just started hgh

Prev lab work from 14 months ago has me at:

Tsh 0.83 (0.35 - 5)
Free t4 21 (11-27)
Free t3 4.6 (3.4- 5.9)

Your thyroid numbers are going to look different after 1. recent cut/DNP use 2. adding HGH. Do you have any symptoms?

Cutting will lower T3 and using HGH will increase T3/lower T4

 

[dimethyl11]

Your thyroid numbers are going to look different after 1. recent cut/DNP use 2. adding HGH. Do you have any symptoms?

Cutting will lower T3 and using HGH will increase T3/lower T4

Thanks for the reply, no current symptoms. I am done cutting and going into a growth phase. I assume that the caloric increase and no dnp will help thyroid numbers improve, but the gh in the mix now may skew things.

Like @luki7788 mentioned, starting 50mcg since ill be staying on hgh for a while sounds about right?

 

[Black Beard]

Thanks for the reply, no current symptoms. I am done cutting and going into a growth phase. I assume that the caloric increase and no dnp will help thyroid numbers improve, but the gh in the mix now may skew things.

Like @luki7788 mentioned, starting 50mcg since ill be staying on hgh for a while sounds about right?

How much GH? It would depend more on symptoms and serum Free T4, it's like you said, your numbers are going to be bouncing around a bit for a few weeks of surplus and GH.

 

[dimethyl11]

How much GH? It would depend more on symptoms and serum Free T4, it's like you said, your numbers are going to be bouncing around a bit for a few weeks of surplus and GH.

I just bumped to 10iu, planning to go to 12 and stay there

 

[Black Beard]

I just bumped to 10iu, planning to go to 12 and stay there

Yeah, as Luki has said before, 10 IU daily will generally necessitate T4 to optimize everything. IFBB pro in his AMA thread @Beef_Stu_97 mentions using 100 mcg daily offseason and 200 mcg during prep (T4) with 10 IU HGH daily.


You will need to play with it + Blood work to figure out what works best. Generally, you would want to be in the upper half of the range for Free T4. The high dose HGH will drop Free T4 and increase Free T3. You can play around and find where you feel best (energy levels, feeling too hot/too weak, etc). You could even find you feel best without any T4, we're all different.

 

[dimethyl11]

thanks @Black Beard and @luki7788 for the great information as always

 

[NattyNuts]

As ive said a couple of times the best preps ive done were those where i didnt used t3, however ive never been in the same condition some freaks ive seen in the internet. Im wondering if t3 is capable of improving the look of skin, lessen water retention and making it thinner or its just another 8 weeks of diet pushing deficit.

Whats your experience with that?
Time i used t3 i remembre being flat, stringy, losing streght at gym, even at 25mcg but… the look was different.

 

[aHarness]

Time i used t3 i remembre being flat, stringy, losing streght at gym, even at 25mcg

Is this pharma t3?

 

[Veneficus_Rex]

I take 159mcg of t3 daily as a prescription for my hypothyroidism that I've had well before I ever started gear. I add on 50mcg of t3 but keep taking my Rx t4. Everything seems fine so far. I'm not worried about messing up my thyroid because it basically shut down by itself 20 years ago. All my t4 comes from my medicine.

 

[NattyNuts]

Is this pharma t3?

Yes, this one from France pharmacy, even more legit and well dosed than Abdi Ibrahim

 

[chestrockwell420]

ive always added t3 50mcg daily while running hgh. i run the hgh all year but add t3 in the spring thru summer and get excellent results along with good diet and my cardio.
ive been reading folks are adding T4 as well and wonder if i should add it.
ive never understood which is better to take while on hgh T3 or T4

 

[Freedom69]

Would you guys run t3 on a cut without HGH? Or do you think Clen is just enough ?

 

[chestrockwell420]

when i cut down clen/t3 is my go to. clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off run T3 until end of summer

 

[Freedom69]

How much t3 are you guys running ?

 

[chestrockwell420]

50mcg daily 1st thing in the morning

 

[Jerry5000]

How much t3 are you guys running ?

I found it's best to start at 30mcg & go up from there. Everyone tolerates this differently depending on age, weight, BMI ect.

 

[MackCoach]

ive always added t3 50mcg daily while running hgh. i run the hgh all year but add t3 in the spring thru summer and get excellent results along with good diet and my cardio.
ive been reading folks are adding T4 as well and wonder if i should add it.
ive never understood which is better to take while on hgh T3 or T4

Agree. 50 mcg t3 add 4 units of gh = magic

Add a little Clen and now it’s a transformation!!!

Mack

 

[USA11]

I think 50mcg is the max . Anything more then that you risk loosing lean tissue