Test Susts

[Kaiser]

Hi, fellas, I have always been a test E fan. At this point I have a shit load of Susts instead. I know it is just a matter of esters. I am getting ready to prepare for a cycle in the next 8 weeks. What should I know about Sust as apposed to TestE. Should I shoot it more often, currently planning 250 + 250 per week Monday and Thursday which is what I used to do with E. All of which has come from Alin which is a good source.

I know the dosage ais low, but I have always been low. For those who do not know my age or "natural weight" it is 35 at 6ft. 270-272lbs otherwise dieted down a little to 238lbs.
Thanks fellas.
Bald-Mofo

 

[MikeS]

Its good 2x a week as you say. The ester are predominately long acting, more so that enahthate. So it takes longer to hit you especially at that dose. Up to 3wks. To take full advantage of the prop ester is why you take it 2x wk, but at 30mg amp its almost insignificant.

 

[Ivan]

Sustenon

Well I have done sust quite a few times and I have expiremented with this aspect of it's use.

I have the done the Monday Thursday and had good results. I have also done it MWF and to me it felt the same as Mon/Thurs....

NOW IMO (after trying it this way) I did it EOD @ 250 a pop. GREAT results and my pumps were insane. I thought it might be all in my head, but DID gain faster doing it this way..

 

[Kaiser]

Well I have done sust quite a few times and I have expiremented with this aspect of it's use.

I have the done the Monday Thursday and had good results. I have also done it MWF and to me it felt the same as Mon/Thurs....

NOW IMO (after trying it this way) I did it EOD @ 250 a pop. GREAT results and my pumps were insane. I thought it might be all in my head, but DID gain faster doing it this way..

This is what I am looking for as far as experiences. I took it last cycle M & T 250mg and got some good solid results. I basically used to do TestE the same way. I guess I'll stick with the same schedule then. Thanks Ivan.

 

[Armageddon]

The eod would be your best bet to run this and then switch up to something more anabolic like Eq. Taking it every other day is basically priming the system since each dose lasts so long in the system. You want a good balance between anabolics and androgens to grow, or atleast that's one theory. Now you have all these androgens floating around and hit it up with a good anabolic and let the growing begin. This is what I would do if it was me, however each person acts differently to things. I like the 250's but I don't like the spikes it can give you. I mean the ups and downs as far as a steady stream in the system. That's why the eod theory.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I ran a test cycle with sust this past year. It was hard to get my levels even. The problem is that you are wasting the prop and phelyprop until the longer acting esters kick in and even then you're spiking on the injection day from the prop and phenylprop. Sust was designed as a type of timed-release formula. I don't think your levels will be steady state when doing a twice a week of EOD type thing. I found the sweet spot for me was 1 gram, every 8th day. But you could do 750mg too:

prop 90mg days 1-2
phenylprop 180mg day 2-5
isocaproate 180mg days 5-6
decanate 300mg 6-8

inject morning of 8th day.

This way you get the full effect of all the esters with a fairly even distribution over time. Sust is hard to cycle. Especially if you're familiar with the steady, long-acting esters like enanthate and cyp.

From another article:

Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week. To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week.
Now lets look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon. If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks.

 

[Kaiser]

I ran a test cycle with sust this past year. It was hard to get my levels even. The problem is that you are wasting the prop and phelyprop until the longer acting esters kick in and even then you're spiking on the injection day from the prop and phenylprop. Sust was designed as a type of timed-release formula. I don't think your levels will be steady state when doing a twice a week of EOD type thing. I found the sweet spot for me was 1 gram, every 8th day. But you could do 750mg too:

prop 90mg days 1-2
phenylprop 180mg day 2-5
isocaproate 180mg days 5-6
decanate 300mg 6-8

inject morning of 8th day.

This way you get the full effect of all the esters with a fairly even distribution over time. Sust is hard to cycle. Especially if you're familiar with the steady, long-acting esters like enanthate and cyp.

From another article:

Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week. To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week.
Now lets look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon. If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks.

Thanks Doc, thats a great break down and it makes sense logically. I guess I have to tinker around with it a little to taper it to myself taking in all of these comments. I know next time, I am going back to TestE because that was always my favorite. When I bought the Sust, I figured I would maybe shock my system a little and it would change things up a bit. All in all, E is way better for me as far as gains are concerned. Now I just have to use up the rest of my Sust and go back to E later on this year. I wont sell anything and risk distribution, so this is the reason I guess I'll have to stick with it until I use it all up. Do you think stacking it with a little E help even it out a little?

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Thanks Doc, thats a great break down and it makes sense logically. I guess I have to tinker around with it a little to taper it to myself taking in all of these comments. I know next time, I am going back to TestE because that was always my favorite. When I bought the Sust, I figured I would maybe shock my system a little and it would change things up a bit. All in all, E is way better for me as far as gains are concerned. Now I just have to use up the rest of my Sust and go back to E later on this year. I wont sell anything and risk distribution, so this is the reason I guess I'll have to stick with it until I use it all up. Do you think stacking it with a little E help even it out a little?

I'm huge fan of Test E in general. In fact I love the tests over all the anabolics. Test E is just so predictable which is what I like about it. Even cyp has a slightly shorter half-life. I wish I had more knowledge on the subject of esters and how to cycle them effectively when using different esters of test. I mean eventually it all turns to test and test is test but how long it takes to become active is the crucial part there. I ran into the same problem because I got a decent buy on a lot of amps. I ended up trading them with someone (and some people do) swear by the stuff. They love it. That may be why a lot of people just do the EOD approach since then what you're doing is just dumping a ton of various esterfied tests into your system and something's going to work. But it's not a stable amount like enanthate which is probably why a lot of people get the well known "sust flu".

For me, I used it to take advantage of the prop. So taking a normal dose of prop using sust you'd need 3 amps (90 mg) or 4 (120mg). But then you wouldn't need to do the EOD thing because as the prop dropped off than the phenylprop begins and when that drops, the iso kicks in (well, you get the idea).

Just make sure you divide the amount into different glutes sites. Otherwise you'll end up with a knot. Look at it this way, how would you do it if you were stacking prop and enanthate together. How would you take them? Not that anyone would stack two tests intentionally unless they had to. Now imagine planning a cycle with tesp prop and test e and now factor in TWO MORE forms of esterfied test. Eeeesh.

So in the end, I just use it as organon originally intended - as a extended release product but take it in BB'er amounts. Organon originally intended it as a once a month injection.

I've seen the sust debate get pretty heated so just take all this as my opinion and not a fact for everybody. But if I had 20 amps of sust, I'd take a gram every 8 days for 40 days and start PCT 18 days after last injection. But that's just me.

Good luck.

p.s. No I wouldn't stack it with e. If anything, I'd do the sust twice a week and add more prop to the beginning and end of cycle.

 

[Kaiser]

I'm huge fan of Test E in general. In fact I love the tests over all the anabolics. Test E is just so predictable which is what I like about it. Even cyp has a slightly shorter half-life. I wish I had more knowledge on the subject of esters and how to cycle them effectively when using different esters of test. I mean eventually it all turns to test and test is test but how long it takes to become active is the crucial part there. I ran into the same problem because I got a decent buy on a lot of amps. I ended up trading them with someone (and some people do) swear by the stuff. They love it. That may be why a lot of people just do the EOD approach since then what you're doing is just dumping a ton of various esterfied tests into your system and something's going to work. But it's not a stable amount like enanthate which is probably why a lot of people get the well known "sust flu".

For me, I used it to take advantage of the prop. So taking a normal dose of prop using sust you'd need 3 amps (90 mg) or 4 (120mg). But then you wouldn't need to do the EOD thing because as the prop dropped off than the phenylprop begins and when that drops, the iso kicks in (well, you get the idea).

Just make sure you divide the amount into different glutes sites. Otherwise you'll end up with a knot. Look at it this way, how would you do it if you were stacking prop and enanthate together. How would you take them? Not that anyone would stack two tests intentionally unless they had to. Now imagine planning a cycle with tesp prop and test e and now factor in TWO MORE forms of esterfied test. Eeeesh.

So in the end, I just use it as organon originally intended - as a extended release product but take it in BB'er amounts. Organon originally intended it as a once a month injection.

I've seen the sust debate get pretty heated so just take all this as my opinion and not a fact for everybody. But if I had 20 amps of sust, I'd take a gram every 8 days for 40 days and start PCT 18 days after last injection. But that's just me.

Good luck.

p.s. No I wouldn't stack it with e. If anything, I'd do the sust twice a week and add more prop to the beginning and end of cycle.

Cool, thanks OTH. Much appreciated. I'll see how it goes with this cycle.