THE BIGGEST GUYS AREN"T ALWAYS PROS

huge-inc · Jan 6, 2005

This is in Phil's response to Mr.Biceps thread (I met a monster at the gym today) The biggest people i have ever seen where not pro's ..thats not saying the can get ripped and have great symetry. I used to work with Chris Duffy in Florida and a friend of his used to come visit,and I mean yikes this dudes arms where huge,as was the rest of him...Duffy was about 290 then ,he was a gym rat. The second guy was at the night of champions in 84 or 85...He was a black guy wearing a red t-shirt..and every body turned to look at him with all the pros on stage!! If we want to talk about huge and not a pro ...how's about Micheal Clark Duncan. Your awesome Phil, just trying to help a fellow board member.

PHIL HERNON · Jan 6, 2005

I really am not sure

huge-inc said:
This is in Phil's response to Mr.Biceps thread (I met a monster at the gym today) The biggest people i have ever seen where not pro's ..thats not saying the can get ripped and have great symetry. I used to work with Chris Duffy in Florida and a friend of his used to come visit,and I mean yikes this dudes arms where huge,as was the rest of him...Duffy was about 290 then ,he was a gym rat. The second guy was at the night of champions in 84 or 85...He was a black guy wearing a red t-shirt..and every body turned to look at him with all the pros on stage!! If we want to talk about huge and not a pro ...how's about Micheal Clark Duncan. Your awesome Phil, just trying to help a fellow board member.

Why anyone wopuld need help. Did I hurt him? I am sorry if I hurt anyone by my statement, I just said it out of experience. I think the problem here is that a lot of inexperienced "New guys" are not sure what they are looking at when they see a bodybuilder. Chris Duffy might have been 290, but in contest shape he was maybe 230. If anyone has seen pro bodybuilders off season, they are HUGE. THe problem is, they are or were all on contracts making them stay leaner, hence, "smaller" to the average guys eye.

PHIL HERNON · Jan 6, 2005

MAYBE

Guys are confused on what big is. LIneman in football are bigger than bodybuilders, yes. If that is all we care about is big, then yes, bodybuilders could not carry a Sumo Wrestlers jock. But all in all, thqat statement of the biggest guys are not bodybuilders makes no sense nor does it apply or add anything positive to this board. It is not some revelation to us all that this is the way it is. Fat takes up way more space than muscle.

Massive G · Jan 6, 2005

The biggest guys I have ever seen in my life are in the audience at PRO shows....sure they are lean and huge but far from contest shape and the majority will never step on stage.
BB'ers are very very insecure...and can't handle defeat...Victor Richards comes to mind as he is the largest guy I ever saw in person and I had previously seen Dorian at 300, Fux and Nasser at 310 etc.
Vic put them to shame in the size dept at 322 lean with veins serratus and intercostals hard as stone but far from ripped and bone dry which prolly would have dropped him down to 270.

PHIL is a pretty big guy too.

MR.BICEPS · Jan 6, 2005

Massive G said:
The biggest guys I have ever seen in my life are in the audience at PRO shows....sure they are lean and huge but far from contest shape and the majority will never step on stage.
BB'ers are very very insecure...and can't handle defeat...Victor Richards comes to mind as he is the largest guy I ever saw in person and I had previously seen Dorian at 300, Fux and Nasser at 310 etc.
Vic put them to shame in the size dept at 322 lean with veins serratus and intercostals hard as stone but far from ripped and bone dry which prolly would have dropped him down to 270.

PHIL is a pretty big guy too.

This guy doesnt have the symmetry that Phil has. Hes just monsterous in many area with a very low body fat... Just being big isnt enough to be a successful pro..It take the complete package.. I agree with what everyone is saying here..

Massive G · Jan 7, 2005

Skip · Jan 7, 2005

MR.BICEPS said:
This guy doesnt have the symmetry that Phil has. Hes just monsterous in many area with a very low body fat... Just being big isnt enough to be a successful pro..It take the complete package.. I agree with what everyone is saying here..

I would never take anything away from Phil but don't take anything from Victor, either.

Skip

Vander_V · Jan 7, 2005

THE BIGGEST GUYS AREN"T ALWAYS PROS

YES THEY ARE IN MUSCLE , IF WERE TALKING BIG AS IN HOW MANY ROLLS THEN THATS A DIFFERNT STORY BUT AS FOR MUSCLE PRO BODYBUILDERS ARE BY FAR THE BIGGEST . WHEN I SEE DUDES WHO ARE FAT AND TALLER YET HUGE AND SOMEWHAT LEAN I PICTURE THEM AT CONTEST SHAPE AND REALIZE THEY WOULD GO FROM 6FT 4 300LBS TO 6FT 4 240 NOW THATS 60 LBS OFF OF A 6FT 4 FRAME WHICH MEANS SEE YA TO BEING HUGE

PHIL HERNON · Jan 7, 2005

MRBICEPS

Skip said:
I would never take anything away from Phil but don't take anything from Victor, either.

Skip

Was not talking about Victor.

squatter · Jan 7, 2005

I'm 6'5, just over 300 and pretty lean. But when I REALLY lean out I go from what most people say is huge to just a skinny dude that looks buff. Fat takes up alot of space!

squatter

jerrywear · Jan 7, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
Why anyone wopuld need help. Did I hurt him? I am sorry if I hurt anyone by my statement, I just said it out of experience. I think the problem here is that a lot of inexperienced "New guys" are not sure what they are looking at when they see a bodybuilder. Chris Duffy might have been 290, but in contest shape he was maybe 230. If anyone has seen pro bodybuilders off season, they are HUGE. THe problem is, they are or were all on contracts making them stay leaner, hence, "smaller" to the average guys eye.

phil i was falowing all this talk for a past 2 days and you didnt say anything bad and you dont need to apologise.we all have somebody who seen somebody big,i do have a friend who is very good friend with Dorian,he is 6'1 340 and not that fat,but come on guys we all know how lean is for competitive bodybuilder,and what is when you see some huge guy who is maybe 8% bodyfat and he looking big and full,but still for normal guy its going to be shred it.
i dont want to be in the midle of this.but nobody need to be sorry or mad.Phil you were right i am behind you,Vander and all of you guys.its just diferents between bodybuilder lean,and to be leaner then normal person.

MR.BICEPS · Jan 7, 2005

Another thing to keep in mind was the guy told me his body fat was right at 5%. As Phil stated I would not be qualified to make an accurate judgement about his body fat level I havent been around as many of these lean monster as guys like Phil and Vander..

Now I;m not saying the guy wasnt 5% because he was sick looking but Phil may have looked at him and said his bodyfat levels were closer to 9%? I just went by what he told me..

Theres no doubt in my mind his pipes were 23 inches.His triceps were the biggest I have ever seen in person....I could see no evidence of synthol use..

It showed me once again bodybuilding is a genetic game when all is said and done.. This is why I will not spend any more time in the gym than necessary. 3 days a week max...Its not gonna matter much at this point because I do not have the freaky genetics like that big black guy and nothing will ever change that in my lifetime..

Vander_V · Jan 7, 2005

MR.BICEPS said:
Another thing to keep in mind was the guy told me his body fat was right at 5%. As Phil stated I would not be qualified to make an accurate judgement about his body fat level I havent been around as many of these lean monster as guys like Phil and Vander..

Now I;m not saying the guy wasnt 5% because he was sick looking but Phil may have looked at him and said his bodyfat levels were closer to 9%? I just went by what he told me..

Theres no doubt in my mind his pipes were 23 inches.His triceps were the biggest I have ever seen in person....I could see no evidence of synthol use..

It showed me once again bodybuilding is a genetic game when all is said and done.. This is why I will not spend any more time in the gym than necessary. 3 days a week max...Its not gonna matter much at this point because I do not have the freaky genetics like that big black guy and nothing will ever change that in my lifetime..

I 110% beleive your story im sure the dude was huge but thats comming from your eye so you may have thought him to be bigger then he might have been if not then the dude your talking about is definetly a monster at 5 '7 with 23 inch arms I dont think theres any Pros 5'7 with that size of guns even Jay Cuts are only 23 inches so the dude you saw must have been quite a sight.

oh and as for me being a monster LOL i really dont even belong in the same statement as Phil , Phils contest weight was like 250 mine is 212-214 so until i reach 250 shredded i really cant be labled more then a decent bodybuilder but thanks so much for the words bro.

Skip · Jan 7, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
Was not talking about Victor.

I wasn't referring to a comment you made, Phil. I think it was Mr. Biceps who was making comparisons between you and Victor talking about symmetry vs. size or something. I am too lazy to go back and reference the post. hehe

My point was that I was trying to squash yet another hypothetical posedown between two pros that didn't get to, and won't get to, posedown or compete against each other. Things like this usually end up one of two ways: Either a huge argument or an ass licking contest.

Skip

MR.BICEPS · Jan 8, 2005

Skip said:
I wasn't referring to a comment you made, Phil. I think it was Mr. Biceps who was making comparisons between you and Victor talking about symmetry vs. size or something. I am too lazy to go back and reference the post. hehe

My point was that I was trying to squash yet another hypothetical posedown between two pros that didn't get to, and won't get to, posedown or compete against each other. Things like this usually end up one of two ways: Either a huge argument or an ass licking contest.

Skip

No Skip I wasnt making a comparison between Vic and Phil.. I was comparing Phil and The black man I met at the gym.. I think you just misunderstood me..No worries...

Skip · Jan 8, 2005

MR.BICEPS said:
No Skip I wasnt making a comparison between Vic and Phil.. I was comparing Phil and The black man I met at the gym.. I think you just misunderstood me..No worries...

lol

In that case, yes, I did misunderstand. I read it as you comparing Phil to Victor and as I go back and read it again, I see that this is not the case.

Oops.

Skip

FRKNHUGE · Jan 8, 2005

I'm 6'5, just over 300 and pretty lean. But when I REALLY lean out I go from what most people say is huge to just a skinny dude that looks buff. Fat takes up alot of space!

squatter

yer right there buddy, but ya kno, im a tankass and i embrace it, being italian i cant give up the good stuff, pizza and pasta, so when i eat them, both at the same meal, ill think of all the ripped dieting boys and ill chow one down for my homies, hahahaha
sorry just feelin like a jackass lol
frk

slabsofabs · Jan 8, 2005

the biggest aren't always pros..........

and the biggest aren't always the best

Are there really better physiques than Bob Paris, Robby Robinson, Bill Davey, Dexter Jackson, Darrem Charles, etc? Opinions vary, but I'll take a physique pleasing to look at rather than a big slab of shit. my .02

Crowler · Jan 8, 2005

slabsofabs said:
and the biggest aren't always the best

Are there really better physiques than Bob Paris, Robby Robinson, Bill Davey, Dexter Jackson, Darrem Charles?

YES

Frank Zane