the difference between HGHs (red, blue, yellow top, etc)

[bjjones]

Wow, this is very good information on HGH. If the information that 123cctv has stated is true, wouldn't the method of checking for long lasting bubbles in the vials somewhat solve the issue of the quality between the various generic and name brands HGH, or lack thereof?

 

[123cctv]

If the information that 123cctv has stated is true, wouldn't the method of checking for long lasting bubbles in the vials somewhat solve the issue of the quality between the various generic and name brands HGH, or lack thereof?

Bingo! However please keep in mind, I'm just posting what *other* reputable sources are stating, starting with legit FDA approved GH manufacturers.

I realize I've posted a lot, thus I keep wondering if this section was overlooked... remember Nutropin stated, "Because Nutropin is a protein, shaking can result in a cloudy or hazy solution"

So we have a reputable GH manufacture explaining *why* bubbles will be encountered if agitated. This leaves the argument with their explanation and not with me.

By the way, I have posts going dating back from last year, explaining how to test probbale GH potency via various other methods (bubbles included).

 

[Ashop]

whats the real difference between all the different tops? I heard that blue and yellow are the same quality wise, just different underground labs putting different tops on it. red is better? and what about jinotropin? arent they all underground labs from china?

There are so many brands out there right now I cant comment on any.
I'll stick with the Humatrope or Serostim as long as I can get them.

 

[EnhancedGenetix]

awesome info, i used to work in a cell and molecular bio lab in the medical school nearby and i had to isolate membrane proteins from genetically engineered yeast. we would run a series of protein assays to test the purity of my isolations. I might try and adapt that method to test one of my vials of hgh.

i know once HGH is constituted it must be kept in a refrigerator, but what about the powder? I used to think you could store the powder at room temp for a year and it'd be fine, i was reading from some random forum posts and apparently the powder needs to be stored cold too? is this true?

 

[jalsmiley]

awesome info, i used to work in a cell and molecular bio lab in the medical school nearby and i had to isolate membrane proteins from genetically engineered yeast. we would run a series of protein assays to test the purity of my isolations. I might try and adapt that method to test one of my vials of hgh.

i know once HGH is constituted it must be kept in a refrigerator, but what about the powder? I used to think you could store the powder at room temp for a year and it'd be fine, i was reading from some random forum posts and apparently the powder needs to be stored cold too? is this true?

no...hgh in the powder(biscuit)form store at room temp...also, im with alin, humatrope /serostim even at 3 xs the money of any of that stuff and i will take sero or humatr

 

[123cctv]

awesome info, i used to work in a cell and molecular bio lab in the medical school nearby and i had to isolate membrane proteins from genetically engineered yeast. we would run a series of protein assays to test the purity of my isolations.

Finally! Someone who's tested protiens. While I'm not exacly familiar with those test types, I'd guess you must have learned or encountered that proteins will foam/bubble if agitated? None the less, it's good to know at least someone else can grasp that this is **simple** science and not theory.

i know once HGH is constituted it must be kept in a refrigerator, but what about the powder? I used to think you could store the powder at room temp for a year and it'd be fine, i was reading from some random forum posts and apparently the powder needs to be stored cold too? is this true?

And either I've misunderstood Jalsmiley (above), or he/she's got it wrong. I've posted this before:

Here's a solid answer for you if you're dealing w/GenSci. Any lessor grade should expect a reduced shelf life or at least that's GenSci's claim as seen on their website: **broken link removed**

"I heard that Jintropin dies if it's not kept cold... will you ship it with ice packs?

Jintropin™ is the only hGH in China made by a special patented formulation technology, so that they can withstand temperatures up to 37 degrees Celsius for over a month and 45 degrees Celsius for over a week. Shipping takes 3 to 5 days (never more than 6 days). Before the shipping everything is stored in perfect environment (between 2 - 8 degrees Celsius). When you receive it, you should keep it in the refrigerator. DO NOT FREEZE IT!
Before reconstitution:
--If refrigerated between 2 - 8 degrees Celsius it's good for over a year (until expiration date) ;
--At room temperature (up to 37 degrees Celsius) it's good for over 30 days;
--At up to 45 degrees Celsius it's good for about a week.
After reconstitution:
--It has to be refrigerated at all times. It's good for 20 days "

Other reputable GH manufacturers claim similar...

 

[nickman1978]

good info to have on hand ...

 

[Osta-president]

123, If i shake and aggitate the constituted hgh to test, will this interfer w/ the hgh itself?

 

[123cctv]

123, If i shake and aggitate the constituted hgh to test, will this interfer w/ the hgh itself?

That depends - let me give you something to look for, from start to finish. At recon are you having trouble fighting off the bubbles when injecting the water? If not, that's the first sign of concern. Further, bubbles forming at this stage do minimal (if any) damage.

Next I'd try one or two good shakes -- that should produce at least a bubble or two. These bubbles should also remain for a very long time. The longer they last, the stronger the protien. FYI - this can hurt the GH, but not to the point it's useless. Hardly.

If nothing still, a vigorous shaking should produce something. It's at this point you can do some good damage to the GH. Still if nothing is produced, I'd be changing suppliers as you can do far better.

 

[BigReps]

Excellent and very useful info!

 

[intensed]

Question

Do the size of the bubbles tell us anything? When you say remain for a very long time, how long are we talking? Hours?

One thing I have noticed with my blue tops is it seems the potency varies from bottle to bottle. I have directly correlated the effects I received from the amount of bubbles the reconstituted HGH produced. Like 123cctv said, when I'm trying to fight the bubbles when reconstituting I feel the greatest effects from that bottle. Other bottles that don't produce this same result I feel weaker results. I guess that's the big problem with generics is the quality control.

That depends - let me give you something to look for, from start to finish. At recon are you having trouble fighting off the bubbles when injecting the water? If not, that's the first sign of concern. Further, bubbles forming at this stage do minimal (if any) damage.

Next I'd try one or two good shakes -- that should produce at least a bubble or two. These bubbles should also remain for a very long time. The longer they last, the stronger the protien. FYI - this can hurt the GH, but not to the point it's useless. Hardly.

If nothing still, a vigorous shaking should produce something. It's at this point you can do some good damage to the GH. Still if nothing is produced, I'd be changing suppliers as you can do far better.

 

[123cctv]

Do the size of the bubbles tell us anything? When you say remain for a very long time, how long are we talking? Hours?

No, size is random chance. Its life however is not. The stronger the protein, the longer the bubble's integrity. Expect bubbles to sustain 30 minutes +, up an hour or so for the stronger proteins. If less than 5 min., you're dealing with weak protein and or GH.

 

[EnhancedGenetix]

Finally! Someone who's tested protiens. While I'm not exacly familiar with those test types, I'd guess you must have learned or encountered that proteins will foam/bubble if agitated? None the less, it's good to know at least someone else can grasp that this is **simple** science and not theory.



And either I've misunderstood Jalsmiley (above), or he/she's got it wrong. I've posted this before:

Here's a solid answer for you if you're dealing w/GenSci. Any lessor grade should expect a reduced shelf life or at least that's GenSci's claim as seen on their website: **broken link removed**

"I heard that Jintropin dies if it's not kept cold... will you ship it with ice packs?

Jintropin™ is the only hGH in China made by a special patented formulation technology, so that they can withstand temperatures up to 37 degrees Celsius for over a month and 45 degrees Celsius for over a week. Shipping takes 3 to 5 days (never more than 6 days). Before the shipping everything is stored in perfect environment (between 2 - 8 degrees Celsius). When you receive it, you should keep it in the refrigerator. DO NOT FREEZE IT!
Before reconstitution:
--If refrigerated between 2 - 8 degrees Celsius it's good for over a year (until expiration date) ;
--At room temperature (up to 37 degrees Celsius) it's good for over 30 days;
--At up to 45 degrees Celsius it's good for about a week.
After reconstitution:
--It has to be refrigerated at all times. It's good for 20 days "

Other reputable GH manufacturers claim similar...

Thanks, moving it all to my fridge lol. But yes when I had to blend the cells I noticed there was bubbles. We blended them with glass beads to break them open so I could centerfuge the membrane protein out. I'm really looking into whether or not I can sneak back into my old lab and see if I can run a couple tests on my HGH lol.

 

[ironman-st]

vitex

We tried this test on Vitex by Alpha Pharama and it stayed for 45 minutes.

 

[Kaladryn]

We tried this test on Vitex by Alpha Pharama and it stayed for 45 minutes.

I tested this on OJ, the bubbles stayed for 31 minutes and 54 seconds, but upon further examination under a microscope, we found tinny bubbletes that stayed around for 5 days, 7 hours, 975 minutes, and negative 5 seconds.

 

[frankdux]

I tested this on OJ, the bubbles stayed for 31 minutes and 54 seconds, but upon further examination under a microscope, we found tinny bubbletes that stayed around for 5 days, 7 hours, 975 minutes, and negative 5 seconds.

Orange Juice?

 

[mace123]

Orange Juice?

3 year old thread?

 

[Kaladryn]

Orange Juice?

no the runningback/murderer