too freakin much....

lucian · May 24, 2007

you guys ever heard of franco santorelio? the cybergenics guy?
how bout rory leidlemeyer?
matt mendenhall?
these guys used too much shit too long and fryed their bodies.
alot oof the guys from the 90's are gone, why???freyed.
so it can happen. ever see cuttler in the offseason?
he goes down to 280 smooth and for him small why???hes off!!!
he may use a lot of shit to compete but gives his bady a chance to rest, ronnie too same thing.
leverone. all these guys use less than you think.
so if you love the sport, then stay a while. keep the dosages modrate, and boost em a bit sometimes but some of the crap ive been reading is rediculus.
you guys know who that billy guns is?
wtf???so much gear and looks like a 14 year old.
so more is not better.
lucian

BOOMSHAKER · May 24, 2007

Excellent point my brother!

PHIL HERNON · May 24, 2007

Confused

lucian said:
you guys ever heard of franco santorelio? the cybergenics guy?
how bout rory leidlemeyer?
matt mendenhall?
these guys used too much shit too long and fryed their bodies.
alot oof the guys from the 90's are gone, why???freyed.
so it can happen. ever see cuttler in the offseason?
he goes down to 280 smooth and for him small why???hes off!!!
he may use a lot of shit to compete but gives his bady a chance to rest, ronnie too same thing.
leverone. all these guys use less than you think.
so if you love the sport, then stay a while. keep the dosages modrate, and boost em a bit sometimes but some of the crap ive been reading is rediculus.
you guys know who that billy guns is?
wtf???so much gear and looks like a 14 year old.
so more is not better.
lucian

Lucian, no offense but do you know any of these 3 guys? I do. They took NO WHERE NEAR the amounts taken today by the guys you mentioned. WHat does "freyed" mean? I mean, these guys read these posts, are close friends of a few friends of mine and are doing very well for themselves. IABADMAN is good friends with Rory Leidelmeyer...........maybe he can chime in here. You are talking 15 years ago.........why would they still want to compete?? Maybe they have a real life?

kal el · May 24, 2007

I doubt jay cutler is off and 280,at least this offseason.Just look the pics and you will see.

RazorCuts · May 24, 2007

Rory did not take to much stuff. To have those lines and that waist. He was the ultimate bodybuilder in my eyes. He is still training today and still looks fantastic and was supposed to make a comback according to IABADMAN.
Seen him in the late 90's and looked fantastic.

TooPowerful4u · May 24, 2007

Well i heard stories about Franco. He used to work out at an old gym of mine and charge some of my friends to train with him. Well they would tell me he would go into the tanning beds for a few minutes before during and after the workouts. I cant think of anything you would use in that fashion, but my friends who spoke of this are very reputable and dont just make shit up. Crazy stuff...

lucian · May 24, 2007

PHIL HERNON said:
Lucian, no offense but do you know any of these 3 guys? I do. They took NO WHERE NEAR the amounts taken today by the guys you mentioned. WHat does "freyed" mean? I mean, these guys read these posts, are close friends of a few friends of mine and are doing very well for themselves. IABADMAN is good friends with Rory Leidelmeyer...........maybe he can chime in here. You are talking 15 years ago.........why would they still want to compete?? Maybe they have a real life?

from the few people i know it was that they donwn regulted their receptor by using too much and not comming off. essetialy not giving their body a break.. plus mostly everything was real then the guys today have no idea what they are really taking. nothing is regulated and half of it is underdosed or fake, and i think its a matter of time before someone gets hurt bad. there are more bbers dying and having medical problems now. flex, don long, mike francous, some have passed like bennizziza and muntzer, youngblood,ect.
so i do belive it is worse now. now if im wrong i will take it back and appologize. if some of you guys know these guys and they say im wrong then im wrong. but why when something goes wrong w a bbers health or they suddenly drop out of site, they always claim drugs had nothing to do with itit seemed to make sense when i was hearing it. im sure they wouldnt want to compete now as they probably have more going on now.
im just so tire of hearing these 160lb -200lb guys taking so much stuff it looks like a years worth of gear on the list and some of them never compete. to each his own but i just want at least one person to think about it.
you have sid befoer you never use a lot of gear, and suggest lower ammoutns of gh than anyone i know, but how come you have one of the best physiques ever?? diet and training first.
this was my point to the post.
lucian

lucian · May 24, 2007

kal el said:
I doubt jay cutler is off and 280,at least this offseason.Just look the pics and you will see.

i used to train at a gym in massachussets where jay trained.we used to run into each other before he even did the nationals. im from that area. jay and i have many friends in common and have hung out a few times.
(way before he was mr. o)there is a pic from the new npc wear catolouge, he is wearing a black tank, bout 270, smooth and for him small.
im sure hes not off now i just saw him 2 weeks ago and hes hugh but he is mr. olympia now. things have changed and a lot more is at stake. several times he has staed he doesnt like to be this big. he cant wait to be 240 and trim and not have to do what he is doing,thats why he wanted to retire by 34, so he would minimize health issues. believe me he thinks sbout it.
lucian

lucian · May 24, 2007

here are the pics...

first one from the cat....smaller smooth...off.
second...big..thick...smooth..but obviousle on.
now can i say for sure he was off everything 100%? no.
but some of the guys here talk about bridging or 400mg as off time.
thats not off. jay is mr.o you can rationalize it for him but for me or many of the other guys here? its not a good idea.
lucian

Big A · May 24, 2007

lucian said:
they suddenly drop out of site, they always claim drugs had nothing to do with it it seemed to make sense when i was hearing it.

Mental burnout is very common. That is the main reason of most guys dropping off, not health reasons.

Future · May 24, 2007

Big A said:
Mental burnout is very common. That is the main reason of most guys dropping off, not health reasons.

I would assume so as well.

buselmo · May 24, 2007

Big A said:
Mental burnout is very common. That is the main reason of most guys dropping off, not health reasons.

that makes more sense than anything else.

StudHammer · May 24, 2007

The recent FLEX had an interview with Matt Mendenhall and he seems to be doing well for himself and still looks damned good and lean for someone his age.

Iabadman · May 24, 2007

First of the three guys you mentioned are three of the most genetically gifted felleas ever IMO...........Steroids were never a problem with these guys either, so know what you are talking about before you site people by names. Rory used cycles that were 3 weeks on and 2 weeks off [ 3 compounds ,a fast test , tren or eq , and deca . never went much over a gram a week and later in his career he used 4 ius of gh] Matt wasn't a big user either ,his water issues were later found to be a food digestion problem . And Franco has battled finacial,relationship, and rec drug problems since a teen .

Rory ,Matt , and Franco all pissed off Wieder during their careers and that is why they got burnt out and disapeered .Think about it , in Rory's case once he had a falling out with those guys he was screwed as they held a contract with all the rights to his pics and interviews[for 5 yrs ].........Bodybuilding is a game of politics big time ,it has very little to do with the physiques. The guys that know how to do what they are told , when to smile , and who to chum up with have a chance to get some cheese thrown at them . The guys that don't ,starve right out of the the sport Thats why A guy like Lee priest is so pissed . It isn't about the bodybuilders , it is about who can jump through hoops and do as they are told the best[yes marketablity and a great physique is a key as well ].........

Rory is a freethinker and is ego gets in the way of alot of things in his life .[ it ruined our relationship and his comeback in my eyes] But I respect the guy alot reguardless, and drugs werent his down fall so you have chose the wrong example for sure right there . And Matt and Franco werent reckless either in there use.........most guys with that look were under a gram total a week , some were closer to 500 mgs total.[ they all looked better before gh and will freely admit it .....some guys never went off and some only used before shows ] Recs came into play with those guys , as did egos...............remember high leval amatuer and pro bbing is still people getting together trying to make money........So if you cant play the game you disapear now matter how good your genetics are.

But compare the drugs use to what is occuring today is ridiculus IMO ......Guy s have totally changed the size of their heads , hands , and feet [ look at cutler , coleman , gunter , Kamali, cormier .....ect.....] Shoot, we have guys on here that take 20 ius of gh a day ......[ guys back then were only using 2-4 ius EOD] Add in insulin , igf-1 , site injects , synthol, huge dose test [ 2 grams a week] No wonder guys look like refrigerators........Also something ,I noticed . I am a big fan of the sport and collect old mags from the late 60s ' 70s , and 80s.......It seems although the sport was much smaller back then ,that the people drawn to it had better genes for the most part...........now days the sport has attracted any insucure guy willing to risk his freedom , health , and money to get his pics in a mag /be a freak ,which although many more people are lifting than ever before the guys with the genetic gifts arent just willing to play this game.[ and I dont blame them ] The sport is dying because of what it has evolved into ......

By 95 the sport has done nothing but gone backward IMO......which is sad because I am a huge fan . Every era has had it's abusers without a doubt, but usually the best guys are not the ones abusing.......To try to lump , Rory ,Matt , And Franco into a subject that you really don't about is unfair and not accurate..........Guys get burnt out from recs, personality issues , lack of money , or what they have to due to try to maintain the competive lifestyle .......it was not the drugs that cost these great bbers their careers , it was there own personal mis givings......That is why Peter Putman and his lovely wife have created succful careers out of the sport. They know the political game........dont comprimise themselves .......have class and the drive /dissapline to do things the right way ......If Rory ,Matt , and Franco were one tenth as good as business man as Peterand Jess they each would have had very successful careers as they had nearly unlimited tools.......

Ask Phil if he thinks I am right .........but the sport has alot more than meets the eye and that is what is unfortunate.........

Future · May 24, 2007

Very informative post. I remember growing up looking at Matt, Rory and even Franco. I thought Franco's striated quads were crazy. Rory had a very unique lat spread. Matt was just a monster.

I had a discussion with a couple of guys at the gym as well. There are these "prep" guys which really means "drug organizers" that seem to put alot of compounds out there for competitors to take for a show. CRAZY!

A guy talked to me about my doctor giving me deca therapy after my shoulder surgery. He was saying I should be hitting about 600 mg a week of deca and see if I can get some gH which he suggested I take in the amoung of 5-10 iu's a day. CRAZY!