Training, dieting, and living according to my blood type.

[aeliop]

Sometimes when I reply to threads my philosophies on blood type eating and training leak into my answer. So in this thread I would like to expound on my theories a little more and open the topic up to logical discussion. Before I get into it though I want to make it clear these are just my opinions and interpretations of blood type dieting. I am in no way suggesting this is the right way, only way, bodybuilders should be doing this, etc....

For years my wife Marilyn has been a proponent of blood type dieting. Her interest were more in lines more with prevention or healing health issues and not so much dieting. She would from time want to discuss blood type dieting or want me to read one of her books on the topic. I would always blow her off saying something to the effect of "Well thats for unhealthy people who are sick all the time" or that it was for women with hypothyroid.

Through the years it always bothered me though why were there so many ways to skin a cat when it came to dieting and getting ready for competition? Why did some guys cycle carbs, carb load, deplete, double cardio, etc... Why did some guys look great doing one thing, while other guys didn't look so good doing other things. How many debates have we read on PM about red meat? How many times have you heard guys say that Oatmeal or Broccoli bloat them while others are eating dry Oatmeal right before going on stage?

There seemed to be a constant theme amongst the guys who looked the best. They all seemed to know there body and know it well. So how do you learn your body? Where do you start? With these questions perplexing me and suffering a pretty severe neck injury 7 weeks out from a show, I picked up one of Marilyn's books and started reading. Learning all that I had from Phil Hernon really helped me comprehend the abundance of information that I was going through. In a short time I felt I was ready to take what I had learned from Phil, Phils plan, and incorperate blood type dieting into first my recovery and then my contest prep. Long story short I was able to recover and compete this year at what I feel was my best showing to date.

Now for my theories; I still feel that the basic concept of day after day of putting out more then you take in will result in a substantial loss of bodyfat. I still feel that on top of putting out more then you take if one trains properly and eats certain macros one will lose even more bodyfat and maintain most muscle or even gain muscle. That being said I feel that as a bodybuilder I can go a little deeper and get a little more out of my physique. Taking the tradional bodybuilding food groups, lean proteins, fruits, veggies, healthy fats, etc...and only eat the foods from those groups that are highly recommended and stay away from the ones that are not recommended. That does not mean if something is highly recommended to eat it during contest prep (certain pastas and chocolate is highly recommended for my blood type) but if you carb load or refeed etc...certain pastas or buckwheat might do the job better if you are of that blood type. If fruits and veggies are part of your plan, then just scratch the non-agreeable and load up on the agreeable.

To wrap things up I think this blood type dieting will work within and can be adapted to most trainers plans. I think it goes way beyond just dieting. I believe it plays a role in injury recovery, prevention of injury and sickness. I also think one's blood type can influence the most effective cardio or if they should do any at all. I even think it can even influence the types and dosages of gear that might be the most effective for someone.

just my thoughts.

 

[kscowboy]

I have had a couple of friends that did the blood type diet and encouraged me to look into it. Everyone i talked to had really good results from it. It not only helps with fat loss but also helps with other problems like heartburn, skin irritations, lethargy, insomnia, and improves overall well being. I used it for about 4 months and really liked it and had some success of my own while on it. It can really be a good diet for those who are stuck or when other diets have failed.

 

[buselmo]

blood type diets are excellent... if you were a type O ... ofcourse, you'd be unlucky if you were ever in a car crash j/k

I'm a type A... i tried the blood type diet STRICTLY a couple of years ago... i went from eating beef, chicken, eggs, oats... etc. to eating the retarded foods and quantities in the list for asian type A. within 3 days, i felt sick to my stomach, no energy, headaches, pretty bad asspiss and just a general feeling of suicide. was like that for a couple of weeks. then i quit and went back to my old diet. felt and looked much better.

I think it's basically a crap shot. a lot of people have food allergies and they don't even know what those are. i know people who were bloated 24/7 for years, and when they cut out the junk and cleaned up their act, they couldn't beleive that this is how they were supposed to feel as "normal" people.

but hey, it's good to try it for a couple of days... or else i wouldn't have discovered that my body hates fish, soy, beans... etc. (which is what it's supposed to like, i guess )

as far as people who look the best... well, there are some clear cut signs...
usually people who stick to 1-3 sources of protein/carbs/and fats for an entire period of contest prep are those who look the best. thsoe who like to create variations are the ones who usually mess up a bit...

one of the most conditioned guys in this forum is latimus... and he did what? lived on brown rice and chicken breasts for the entire prep i think?

 

[iprimate]

Sometimes when I reply to threads my philosophies on blood type eating and training leak into my answer...For years my wife Marilyn has been a proponent of blood type dieting...

Blood type dieting is nonsense and Peter D'Adamo is an intellectual charlatan. Blood type dieting is yet another dietary fad in a long list of dietary fads that have passed through (pun intended) North America:

Atkins Diet
Grapefruit Diet
Candida Diet
Beverly Hills Diet
Body For Life Diet
Zone Diet
French Women Don’t Get Fat Diet
Herbalife Weight Loss Program
Israeli Army Diet
Paleolithic Diet
Perricone Diet
Raw Food Diet
Suzanne Somers Diet
Thermogenic Weight Loss
Warrior Diet

This isn't just my opinion, it is the consensus opinion of dieticians, physicians and medical research scientists.

D'Adamo has extended the Blood type diet into the "Genotype Diet". I'm guessing he exhausted his market and needed to develop another series of books. In his Genotype Diet D'Adamo takes the stereotyping and caricature to another level, dividing the human population into six types:
Hunter, Gatherer, Teacher, Explorer, Warrior and Nomad. D'Adamo includes questionaires in his book that you can use to determine which category you belong. Having determined your type you eat and live accordingly.

Blood Type and Genotype Dieting is pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo that has no basis in science or reality (however you measure it). D'Adamo -- like all good healthcare charlatans -- uses concepts and terms from genetics, molecular biology, immunology and evolutionary biology to weave a product that is designed to impress people that know nothing about these subjects.

I'll remind you that anecdote -- which is the evidentiary foundation of the Blood Type Diet i.e. there have been no controlled trials -- counts for very little.

 

[Obnoxious123]

As Dave Palumbo said, "It's about as valid as a diet based on eye color."

 

[Gunsmith]

I think Tony has a very valid thought process and only wish it could be tested on a mass scale like somthing that a major University could do.

I think that peoples blood type could play a big role in what types of foods would work best for them , like he has found that Soy protein is what works for him where most of the BB crowd avoids as an inferior protein.

I also think that a persons heritage may have alot to do with it , I meen if your a 8 gen person from Okanowa Japan then beef is not as likely to be as well absorbed for you as say tuna , hundreds of years of evolution has leaned your body to process it better , where sombody with a strong eastern block European land may get best results from red meat

 

[buselmo]

I also think that a persons heritage may have alot to do with it , I meen if your a 8 gen person from Okanowa Japan then beef is not as likely to be as well absorbed for you as say tuna , hundreds of years of evolution has leaned your body to process it better , where sombody with a strong eastern block European land may get best results from red meat

YES!!!
not blood type... but heritage

 

[big nasty]

I think Tony has a very valid thought process and only wish it could be tested on a mass scale like somthing that a major University could do.

I think that peoples blood type could play a big role in what types of foods would work best for them , like he has found that Soy protein is what works for him where most of the BB crowd avoids as an inferior protein.

I also think that a persons heritage may have alot to do with it , I meen if your a 8 gen person from Okanowa Japan then beef is not as likely to be as well absorbed for you as say tuna , hundreds of years of evolution has leaned your body to process it better , where sombody with a strong eastern block European land may get best results from red meat

I totally agree with you on this point...

In my opinion, that's based completely on my experiences, one's heritage does play into individual metabolism on a large scale. I have found that eating the foods that the men in my family have traditionally eaten has worked much better for me in terms of health and muscle building/maintaining. Obviously the macro percentages have to be manipulated in order to help me train/recover properly but the core foods make up the majority of what I eat.

Basically I think it is a balance between the foods that work for you and how to put them in a bbing diet whatever that diet may be(keto, carb cycle, etc.).

So in essence I agree with aeliop, buselmo, and Gunsmith on their points

Good post. Thanks.

 

[aeliop]

Blood type dieting is nonsense and Peter D'Adamo is an intellectual charlatan. Blood type dieting is yet another dietary fad in a long list of dietary fads that have passed through (pun intended) North America:

Atkins Diet
Grapefruit Diet
Candida Diet
Beverly Hills Diet
Body For Life Diet
Zone Diet
French Women Don’t Get Fat Diet
Herbalife Weight Loss Program
Israeli Army Diet
Paleolithic Diet
Perricone Diet
Raw Food Diet
Suzanne Somers Diet
Thermogenic Weight Loss
Warrior Diet

This isn't just my opinion, it is the consensus opinion of dieticians, physicians and medical research scientists.

D'Adamo has extended the Blood type diet into the "Genotype Diet". I'm guessing he exhausted his market and needed to develop another series of books. In his Genotype Diet D'Adamo takes the stereotyping and caricature to another level, dividing the human population into six types:
Hunter, Gatherer, Teacher, Explorer, Warrior and Nomad. D'Adamo includes questionaires in his book that you can use to determine which category you belong. Having determined your type you eat and live accordingly.

Blood Type and Genotype Dieting is pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo that has no basis in science or reality (however you measure it). D'Adamo -- like all good healthcare charlatans -- uses concepts and terms from genetics, molecular biology, immunology and evolutionary biology to weave a product that is designed to impress people that know nothing about these subjects.

I'll remind you that anecdote -- which is the evidentiary foundation of the Blood Type Diet i.e. there have been no controlled trials -- counts for very little.

I appreciate the opinion but remember I am in no way saying buy a book on blood type dieting and prepare for a contest doing this. So comparing my post to people following the Suzanne Sommers diet is a little over the top. Read the whole post. Though some of the diets that you mentioned in your list I believe would work in a lot of situations and would be a definate improvement to most of America's diet.

What I am saying is prepare for a contest, photoshoot, highschool reunion, etc.. what ever way you normally do. The only difference is instead of randomly choosing to train and eat the tradional bodybuilder foods, learn what might be best for your blood type (of the tradional bodybuilder foods, I am not trying to reinvent the wheel) and eat mostly those foods and apply this to what type of cardio you do, what type of gear you take etc...

The point of my post here is to get real life experience with guys who do this for real not fat doctors, dieticians, trombone players, or anyone else who doesn't live they only write about it in journals.

 

[aeliop]

Okay

As Dave Palumbo said, "It's about as valid as a diet based on eye color."

So when someone is in dire need of blood in the hospital do the doctors say "just give him any blood because blood type is about as valid as the color of his eyes?"

You have quoted me what Dave Palumbo thinks but I am more interested in what you think and even better do you have any real life experience with these theories?

 

[EVERLAST]

well...

I have to say...there isnt much science based info on diet to support this type of diet BUT...
when I tried it it seemed to help me with some things.

Heritage and geographical regions tend to group blood type together.
My families DNA profile has some interesting footnotes to the documented 1000 years of my families recorded history.
(haplo groups from the middle east, asia, africa, middle europe and then the british isles before coming to america. Kind of a record of our conquests and the contributions along the way)
So I was not surprised by the diets recommendations for my list of food choices

Odd that the foods it said I should avoid were the ones I found I had trouble with. Independent of the diet list I had trouble in the past with milk and cheeses, wheat and other grains.
Odd that the descriptions of my body type and personality traits seemed to fit me.
When I tried eating the recommended foods list I had less bloat and less heartburn and no more reaching for the antacids...
The nutrition aspects were covered within my food list...I wasn't being deprived of any nutrients...macros were all covered.

In short...if you want to do this type of diet just look into it and give it a thourough read. Then if it looks good to you...adapt your diet and SEE if it helps you.

It helped me.
So all you flamers should try it before dimissing out of hand what may seem random at first.

 

[KTT]

Well ,I do sometimes.
I am Typ 0 and try to avoid grains. So I eat more fruits etc.
Do I feel better ? Can't say.

 

[EasyEJL]

This isn't just my opinion, it is the consensus opinion of dieticians, physicians and medical research scientists.

Is this the same bunch of dieticians, physicians and medical research scientists who said
"Whole eggs are bad" then "whole eggs are good" then "whole eggs are bad" then "whole eggs are good" over the span of the last 30 years?

 

[BigMatt]

Harmful Foods, NO MATTER WHAT YOU TELL ME. im 100% sure are: What i mean is That we were Not made to Eat those things.

Deepdown from In the Past.

Dairy of Any kinds.
Grains of Any kind.
Any processed Junk.(no shit)
Soy and all those other Fads "Health" Food

In my Opinion the best way to eat daily.

I believe ANY DIET should come FIRST from Vegetables(greens) and Fruits and Then Some Grassfed Red Meat, some fish.

Thats it.

1.Vegetables
2.Fruits
3.Red meat,Fish.

I dont even think Eating a shitload of Red meat or too much protein is a good idea...

And Seriously Think about this:

Someone says : Eat only the White of the Egg, Its like Common Dude WTF ?!?! IF GOD WANTED US TO EAT THE FUCKING EGG WHITE ONLY, WHY DID HE PUT THE YOLK THERE!?!??! SOMETIME I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE SO DUMB?!? its like WTF?!?! Do you seriously think GOD SAID TO HIMSELF OR WHATHEVER: IM GONNA PUT A CHICKEN ON EARTH THEN IF MY CHILDRENS WANT TO EAT THE EGG IM GONNA PUT THE EGG WHITE AND THE YOLK , BUT DONT EAT THE YOLK!!! WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE ADD THE YOLK... LOL WTF SOMETIME I WONDER IF PEOPLE ARE REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

And we were not even made to Eat eggs first...

You need to look Around you!

I see in the medical Fields days after days:

Most people Get Allergy Reactions from:

-Soy,
-Wheat,
-Milk and Dairy,
-soya beans and peanuts(Legumes)
-TreeNuts
-Eggs

DO YOU SEE A PATERN HERE!?!?

I really believe that we were Mainly a Fruits,Vegetables Specie First, Judging by Alot Of factors in the body:

Fructose Storage inside the Prostate Gland,
Long and small intestine for Greens and Fruits digestion unlike Carnivore Short Intestine and Acid.

Think about this:They want you to sell you Stuff: Betaine HCL... etc.. They are making money outta this: Whey protein and all that shit...

If someone follow the Perfect diet and his never sick and more people follow this path, WHAT WILL HAPPEN?? the medical field will crash etc...

You can already see Most fast food chain are Starting to offer Health Gimmick Meals... They know people are starting to catch on..

Why do Asian People look 15 Years younger than their Age and live 105 years old. Sure they are not huge , But i can see their Health is Very good Compared to most Caucasian people.....

Take a note im talking only Health first here... in term of Health. No trying to be a monster and lose all your hair and dieting... etc..

 

[aeliop]

You know you are right

And Seriously Think about this:

Someone says : Eat only the White of the Egg, Its like Common Dude WTF ?!?! IF GOD WANTED US TO EAT THE FUCKING EGG WHITE ONLY, WHY DID HE PUT THE YOLK THERE!?!??! SOMETIME I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE SO DUMB?!? its like WTF?!?! Do you seriously think GOD SAID TO HIMSELF OR WHATHEVER: IM GONNA PUT A CHICKEN ON EARTH THEN IF MY CHILDRENS WANT TO EAT THE EGG IM GONNA PUT THE EGG WHITE AND THE YOLK , BUT DONT EAT THE YOLK!!! WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE ADD THE YOLK... LOL WTF SOMETIME I WONDER IF PEOPLE ARE REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

Jeez, I can't believe how much time I have wasted through the years cracking the shell. I should have just been swallowing the whole egg, shell and all.

 

[Diesel City]

Jeez, I can't believe how much time I have wasted through the years cracking the shell. I should have just been swallowing the whole egg, shell and all.

LOL!!!

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Hey

Jeez, I can't believe how much time I have wasted through the years cracking the shell. I should have just been swallowing the whole egg, shell and all.

And dont forget to eat the carton also!! Wait, maybe that was wrong??

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

And dont forget to eat the carton also!! Wait, maybe that was wrong??

Just skip that step and eat the chicken, feathers, feet and all.

 

[big nasty]

I used to like you, aeliop...

Jeez, I can't believe how much time I have wasted through the years cracking the shell. I should have just been swallowing the whole egg, shell and all.

...then I read this and spit my organic brown rice all over my laptop. A-hole

 

[marilyn]

...then I read this and spit my organic brown rice all over my laptop. A-hole

laughed out loud!!! that was really funny...