DOGGCRAPP said:
I absolutely dont get your posts on this board at all, they make no sense. As for this thread being named waxy maize, let me state this up front. I COULD CARE IF ANYONE BUYS WAXY MAIZE...IF YOU DONT WANT TO BUY IT OR USE IT DONT AND DONT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT YOU NEED IT BESIDES MAYBE YOUR OWN STUDYING ON THE SUBJECT. IF YOUR HURTING FOR MONEY THERE ARE ALOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO BUY LIKE PROTEIN OR CREATINE.....There with that out of the way let me get back to ....I dont get any of your posts at all. They all come out with the hidden undermeaning of "I Marshall have been lifting for a long time and I have absolutely nothing to show for it, noone even notices or asks if I lift and Im pissed off at the world for it"
You cite the top genetically gifted bodybuilders in the world pre 80 as the reason everyone should go back to their methods of eating, well do you still watch a black and white TV, and drive a 72 Ford Pinto too? Do you know how many people tried to train/eat like Arnold and Mentzer and never ended up looking like Arnold or Mentzer? Have you seen anyone with the chest and biceps of Arnold since? I havent seen anyone with his exact build which was incredible scary genetics for biceps and chest and some pretty glaring weaknesses elsewhere.
Outside of Sergio who could most likely have the greatest genetics this sport has ever seen, like it or not the bodybuilders in the modern era blow away old time bodybuilders in the amount of muscle mass they hold on thier physiques. And thats what this sport is about "bodybuilding"....granted there are alot of things being done nowadays that is also ruining physiques (insulin use etc)....But lets bottom line it shall we? Could Arnold or Mentzer stand next to Dillett, Ronnie, Haney, Heath, Levrone and Wheeler and not get embarrassed? Its like the 46 year old quarterback sitting on his couch yearning about the glory days of his high school football past with your posts.
You state on another post on this board that if certain elite guys can use such low dosages why should they use at all then? Huh? You lost the point! They can make incredible gains of muscle mass off of low dosages from being hyperesponders/genetically elite/whatever.....Thats a gift! The point is they CAN use low dosages.
You state in the above post how its foolish to listen to people in this sport that have been there and done that or who have accomplished goals or actually made themselves into some sort of bodybuilder in this sport. Whats the alternative? Listen to someone who has accomplished nothing, yet feels its his duty to tell everyone within earshot of him how its done? Id rather take in all information from all parties and make deductive reasoning for myself.
I dont care if one person on this board buys anything from my company....in fact I urge everyone not to just for the point of not looking hypocritical (hows that?).....but Ill be the last one to sit there and long for the glory days of downing whole eggs, drinking shakes of ice cream, peanut butter and whole milk to "bulk up" or contest prep being "16 cans of tuna a day with salads"...For some reason all your posts on this board are "the world according to Marshall, if he doesnt do it, then noone should"
Hey, I'm the first one to admit that I do live in the past a little too much.
The fact that I think a PWO drink is a waste of money is from personal experience, you know the kind of experimentation that guarantees you know something works or not. Like it's been joked that people will say some guys take so much shit, they really don't know why they look like they do, or what works or not.
I personally never started to weighlift to accomplish anything other than build muscle. I accomplished that. In your eyes I'm pissed off and on here looking for attention because I've accomplished nothing. I don't know, maybe you have me pegged, I'm not much of a profiler.
Wasn't it you that often said perhaps it's not most wise to ask the person who looks the best how they got that way, because it may have been so easy for them, they have no idea. They train lazy, eat nothing and look like a million bucks. You always stated that you need to look to the person who has come the furthest (like yourself who started at 150 pounds or something along those lines).
If I look to your words of wisdom then I do have alot to offer and try to offer what I can and ask some questions that make people have to really look at themselves, deep down and answer them. Unfortunately alot of people don't like to do this. They want the high five and pat on the back and everything is cool.
I wasn't questioning wazy maize or PWO nutrition or the fact that I take in 75-100g of protein per day as a reflection on anyone's business, yours included. I've patronized your business on several occasions and I'm sure I will do so in the future.
All things aside, I think you're a good business man and run a good company. I may not agree with some things that have been laid out here by yourself or some of the other guys on this board, but it doesn't mean I don't have respect for what they do or say, I just question it and if I agree to disagree, I have no problem with that. If others want to learn from me or agree with me and share their experiences, that's cool too, though alot of guys are afraid to post against the popular ideals.
As far as bodybuilding, take a look at what you are saying. Let's put this in perspective, the guys you mentioned are bigger, yes, a tad leaner, yes, but are they better? Would Mike Mentzer hold a candle to todays bodybuilders if he was 30yoa right now? ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me ask you this? Would Reggie Jackson be an MVP candidate right now if you warped him from 1977 to 2007? Absolutely. Would Steve Carlton be a Cy Young candidate? Would George Gervin score? Would Bill Russell rebound? Would Earl Campbell bust through linebackers?
You get my point. You take the best and put them in any generation and they will be the best. As much as you may hate to admit it, Mike Mentzer would be a top level professional bodybuilder today as he was in 1977, no difference.
The physiques were better back then. You are trying to get me to believe that the biggest bodybuilder is Mr Olympia. Absolutely not. The bodybuilder with the perfect physique is Mr Olympia.
Are you going to try and sell me that Jay Cutler with a head the size of a medicine ball or him and/or Coleman with their 40 inch waists are the Mr Olympia, the perfect ideal human physique?
I'M NOT BUYING IT. They can't even compare to a late 70's Mentzer. Lose every time. Bodybuilders have just lost perspective from my point of view. I think the next couple of generations will bring it back to where it needs to be. I'm confident of that. People are sick of these bloated/distended monsters who look like apes more than Mr Olympia.
What's wrong with peanut butter, eggs and ice cream? I usually have a huge malted milk shake everynight before bed, normally after about a dozen chocolate chip cookies (maintain my conditioning exactly where I want).
Even though you don't think so, I think you (in fact anyone) could go back to 1980 and have the exact same physique you have now. I KNOW THIS !!