Weightlifting and Opiate addiction, Please help!

[tpd01883]

Ok bros, here it goes. Since I was 17 I have on and off used painkillers and heroin. My longest period of sobriety was about two years. At the end of that period I had 3 relatively major surgeries and after the last round of pain meds for the 3rd surgery I never could get clean. Before that time I had never been to rehab, and never needed to. I was always able to get clean. Over the last year I have been struggling to try and stay sober with little to no success. I have managed about 2 months at a time over the past year. I can limit myself to only using one day a week but that leaves me feeling crappy and in a mild withdrawal for about 3 days after that. I have been to rehab twice in the past year. Neither stint was overly helpful in my opinion other than the detox which for 700 a day I can manage myself. I have always wanted to avoid the 'maintenance' programs like methadone and suboxone, but it is looking like these may be my only real choice at this point. Two weeks ago my usual once a week habit became a binge after a few rounds of bad news. My new girlfriend and I broke up. I found out that someone I was seeing when we were broken up previously is now pregnant with what she claims to be my child, and I am having a rough time at work.

While I frown upon maintenance programs because it leaves you extremely addicted to opiates, suboxone is light-years ahead of the oldschool methadone and is much more easily manageable.

My life is slowly losing its balance and I'm hoping that one of these programs could atleast help me get things stable for now. Also during my brief periods of sobreity since my habit picked back up post surgeries I have not ever felt very good. Even during the 2 month period I was sluggish and lethargic all the time, and just kinda depressed. I understand 2 months is nothing and my brain probably had not recovered, but I'm hoping suboxone maintenance will leave me feeling somewhat normal again.

Anyone who has done either program and would like to comment would be very helpful in my decision making. If I decide to go to a clinic it will be for suboxone as money isn't a huge problem for me and suboxone seems to be by far the superior of the two drugs.

 

[SecondAct]

Ok bros, here it goes. Since I was 17 I have on and off used painkillers and heroin.My longest period of sobriety was about two years. At the end of that period I had 3 relatively major surgeries and after the last round of pain meds for the 3rd surgery I never could get clean. Before that time I had never been to rehab, and never needed to. I was always able to get clean. Over the last year I have been struggling to try and stay sober with little to no success. I have managed about 2 months at a time over the past year. I can limit myself to only using one day a week but that leaves me feeling crappy and in a mild withdrawal for about 3 days after that. I have been to rehab twice in the past year. Neither stint was overly helpful in my opinion other than the detox which for 700 a day I can manage myself. I have always wanted to avoid the 'maintenance' programs like methadone and suboxone, but it is looking like these may be my only real choice at this point. Two weeks ago my usual once a week habit became a binge after a few rounds of bad news. My new girlfriend and I broke up. I found out that someone I was seeing when we were broken up previously is now pregnant with what she claims to be my child, and I am having a rough time at work.

While I frown upon maintenance programs because it leaves you extremely addicted to opiates, suboxone is light-years ahead of the oldschool methadone and is much more easily manageable.

My life is slowly losing its balance and I'm hoping that one of these programs could atleast help me get things stable for now. Also during my brief periods of sobreity since my habit picked back up post surgeries I have not ever felt very good. Even during the 2 month period I was sluggish and lethargic all the time, and just kinda depressed. I understand 2 months is nothing and my brain probably had not recovered, but I'm hoping suboxone maintenance will leave me feeling somewhat normal again.

Anyone who has done either program and would like to comment would be very helpful in my decision making. If I decide to go to a clinic it will be for suboxone as money isn't a huge problem for me and suboxone seems to be by far the superior of the two drugs.

Suboxone is clearly the best of the 2 options, and I actually own part of a methadone clinic so that says something. Suboxone is great for detoxing, decent for maintenance. Methadone takes awhile to stabalize a patient and has some adverse side effects, less on men than women in my experience. One thing I like about Methadone is you have to get up in the morning and go get it with most clinics. It makes addicts get to bed, wake up, and generally become more disciplined.

The reality is they both suck, just suck less than dying which for opiate addicts is simply a matter of when, not if. My hope would see you become clean eventually and that's an easier transition from suboxone. Methadone withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal, particularly in duration. Also if suboxone fails, you can switch to methadone. If you start methadone, get stabilized at say 100mgs, then decide to try and go suboxone and kick you have a months long weaning process to get down to about 30mg. You can go from Methadone at that dose to suboxone with small withdrawal. At 100mg, you will want to die.


I bolded 2 sentences simply to show you how faulty your thinking is at present. You state that you've been opiate addicted since 17, and yet just now think your life is losing balance. I would venture you've been out of balance for a long time and hopefully you now have some resolve to fix it. I am pretty good at judging who is going to make it when dealing with addicts. From just the little I read, I don't like your chances at present. Addicts who are successful come in resolved to detox and lead clean lives. I understand your statement that suboxone and maintenance might be your only option, but I would hope after detoxing you would try to find your way into a program and see a mental health specialist, rather than accept a defeatist posture. Maintenance is a better life than you're leading, but still far less than what I would hope for you.

If you are really only using once a week, then detox, get in a program, and try to find the root of why you use. It's mental. If you are a believer in a religion, that is the best route. I'm a person with many degrees and favor science over dogma, yet those with a belief in God recover 10 to 1 over non-believers in my experience. Something about the process of surrendering almost requires something to surrender to, and they succeed at higher levels. Good Luck. I'm off to the methadone clinic as soon as I finish this. 5 am, good for making addicts into early to bed types

 

[tpd01883]

Suboxone is clearly the best of the 2 options, and I actually own part of a methadone clinic so that says something. Suboxone is great for detoxing, decent for maintenance. Methadone takes awhile to stabalize a patient and has some adverse side effects, less on men than women in my experience. One thing I like about Methadone is you have to get up in the morning and go get it with most clinics. It makes addicts get to bed, wake up, and generally become more disciplined.

The reality is they both suck, just suck less than dying which for opiate addicts is simply a matter of when, not if. My hope would see you become clean eventually and that's an easier transition from suboxone. Methadone withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal, particularly in duration. Also if suboxone fails, you can switch to methadone. If you start methadone, get stabilized at say 100mgs, then decide to try and go suboxone and kick you have a months long weaning process to get down to about 30mg. You can go from Methadone at that dose to suboxone with small withdrawal. At 100mg, you will want to die.


I bolded 2 sentences simply to show you how faulty your thinking is at present. You state that you've been opiate addicted since 17, and yet just now think your life is losing balance. I would venture you've been out of balance for a long time and hopefully you now have some resolve to fix it. I am pretty good at judging who is going to make it when dealing with addicts. From just the little I read, I don't like your chances at present. Addicts who are successful come in resolved to detox and lead clean lives. I understand your statement that suboxone and maintenance might be your only option, but I would hope after detoxing you would try to find your way into a program and see a mental health specialist, rather than accept a defeatist posture. Maintenance is a better life than you're leading, but still far less than what I would hope for you.

If you are really only using once a week, then detox, get in a program, and try to find the root of why you use. It's mental. If you are a believer in a religion, that is the best route. I'm a person with many degrees and favor science over dogma, yet those with a belief in God recover 10 to 1 over non-believers in my experience. Something about the process of surrendering almost requires something to surrender to, and they succeed at higher levels. Good Luck. I'm off to the methadone clinic as soon as I finish this. 5 am, good for making addicts into early to bed types

Well I say I have on and off used since I was 17. For the most part I never used every day. Occasionally I would use a few days in a row, a week at most. During the 6 months or so when I had the surgeries I was using every day as prescribed for the pain. During this time my addiction was RX'd and I didn't have a whole lot of up and down. Just took as prescribed and when I felt I needed more I asked for more and recieved. I saw I was becoming addicted and at the time didn't care. I work 8am-4:30pm m-f 5 days a week. I'm pretty good about getting up and going to work every day. I say my life is losing its balance now because on this using once a week deal I had myself set on, frequently on monday I would find myself too tired and unmotivated to crawl out of bed on time for work, sometimes I didn't go at all. It was actually easier to go to work every day and maintain routine when I was using every day. I forgot to mention earlier that my 'binge' continued until this past sunday when I bit the bullet and decided to detox. This is where I'm at now. Two days into self detox. Feeling crappy but this isn't the worst I've ever been through. I always saw suboxone as a tool for those who couldn't handle the detox, so they needed to ween down to a manageable dose of suboxone over a course of months and detox from that.

However now I'm seeing it as a way to manage cravings and depression that come with bieng off opiates for those who can't handle them alone, and continue to relapse repeatedly. I'm hoping it will be a way to bring a solid routine back into my life that doesn't involve using illegally and will allow me to do the things I have normally done in the past(I.E. weight lift) without feeling lethargic, depressed, and overall crappy in my day to day.

 

[mrmarcus]

Listen if ur not using everyday, which i find mindboggling was using smack for years u need that shit everyday just too function,if i were u just go to a 10/14detox,trust me getting on the meds u described will just prolong ur misery,BEEN THERE DONE THAT,whatever u do decide best of luck,friend...................FTW

 

[zeuscronion]

christ

bro-

Ive been there...hell, in some way, I still am. I struggled with addiction to whatever I could get my hands on most of my life. Im 25, and from age 10...well, I never did anything in moderation. There was never just one. Ever. The second I found drugs I "had arrived."

For years I went in and out of rehabs, detoxes, the fellowships, Id put together some time, once two years, but always end up with a needle in my arm or a pipe in my mouth.

My last stint in rehab I went in three days into a detox from a 5 bundle a day heroin habit. It sucked. I didnt know what suboxone was, and I was told, litereally, "it was a miracle pill." Sure.

I weened down, got involved in the NA fellowship (where I remain), and have remained and been actively involved for three years. I have been clean from all drugs (and this includes alchohol) since then...except suboxone. I was told there would be no withdrawal...wrong. The withdrawal was brutal, coming off 24 mg...which, yes, I know now was extremely high to come off of cold turkey...but it was worse than dope. Easily.

I have weened myself down, with a doctor, over the years to 2 mg. I cant seem to let it go. There is not a day that goes by that I dont regret getting on it. I believe in absitence from rec drugs, and suboxone makes me a.)feel like Im still using and b.)like shit. Yep, the mild euphoria that I got at the beginning, like all drugs...is long gone. And now, I need it to function. Its just like being controlled by dope...It tells me when I can get up, go to bed, and go to work.

So....Does it work for some? I guess. Is methadone the answer...doubt it. I hate to say it...because as an addict, its the worst shit you can hear...bite the bullet. Get into a 12 step program. Stay. Take the suggestions no matter how inane, or how much you disagree...eventually it will click. I promise.

Like they say, give it a year. Stay clean, go to meetings, get a sponsor. If you dont like it, they are happy to refund your misery.

Let me be the example of what not to do, maintenance is not the answer, ESPECIALLY if you arent dealing with a lifelong, steady and constant opiate addiction.

There is no easy way out.

Good luck bro, if you need anything, let me know.

-

 

[Thewhite9t]

I never really bring this one up, but since I relate alot...

I was opiate dependant for like 2yrs after a back injury. It started with being prescribed pain killers until I was dependant then it moved from there.

I tried rehabs, NA, everything I could think of, but I just couldn't stop.

Until last november. I went to a doctor that prescribed me suboxone. From there I just never used again. Not since the first time that I put one in my mouth. All those bad things associated with stopping opiates even after withdrawal weren't there. The suboxone corrects everything, even the hormone supression that's been induced by the opiates.

It also turned out to help with my back pain a lot too.

I got right back into working out, it took me like 4 months of cutting to get rid of all the fat I'd accumulated, and it sucked. But now I'm back to lifting as usual and things are going as good as they could possibly be.

If you stay sober, things will get better. I promise you.

 

[liftalot79]

Re-covering Opaite Addict & Alcoholic

I have been on a Maintance dose of Suboxone for 3.5 yrs I have never felt Better I go and get my Medication for a Methadone clinic Once a Month, I see a Doctor & and a Counselor once a Month because it is State mandated. I work in the Medical Field and I can Completely Function I can Leave the Country(this is a Myth with Methadone & suboxone that you can't leave the US). Suboxone is for detox and Long Mantaince it is used in conjunction with Counseling and Learning how to live without drugs and Alcohol. I owe alot to Reckitt * Binkster.

PM with any questions I sponsor alot of Addict, alcoholics, Dual Dianosis.

 

[pumpt73]

I have been on a Maintance dose of Suboxone for 3.5 yrs I have never felt Better I go and get my Medication for a Methadone clinic Once a Month, I see a Doctor & and a Counselor once a Month because it is State mandated. I work in the Medical Field and I can Completely Function I can Leave the Country(this is a Myth with Methadone & suboxone that you can't leave the US). Suboxone is for detox and Long Mantaince it is used in conjunction with Counseling and Learning how to live without drugs and Alcohol. I owe alot to Reckitt * Binkster.

PM with any questions I sponsor alot of Addict, alcoholics, Dual Dianosis.

AMEN BRO!!!!!!!

TPD, I've been there with you bro, with exception to heroin. I was severely addicted to Nubain, Loracet, and Percocet. When I went to a doctor one day, and swallowed 9 tabs of Loracet just to get going, I made my decision that this was the end for me.

Nubain was what really got me going. And unfortunately, I learned to mainline. I would go through a 30ml bottle of that garbage in a little over a day. So finally, I swap out for pills, which eventually gets just as expensive because I started buying from people who were selling there.

Bro first up, before you get on Suboxone, let me say this. YOU MUST WANT TO GET CLEAN AND STAY CLEAN!!!! I just didn't want to waste anymore money on what I was doing. Suboxone has saved my life. I go to my doc once a month, he cuts my script, I head to Walgreens, take 1 tab a day, and Im good to go. Don't get me wrong, the temptation is always there, and I can opiates with no problems, but there is a problem. I don't want to go back to it. Opiates made me a bitter person. I wouldn't even talk to my family and friends anymore. Like I said bro, if you really want to get clean, Suboxone will help, but if you're not serious, it won't work. If you need anything bro, PM me. I know what it's like my brother.

 

[sharkey]

It works if YOU work it

I have also struggled with opiate addiction for a number of years and there is nothing like being clean. You and I will hear everything about all these different alternatives we have. Somebody said suboxone and methadone suck and he is totally right and totally wrong. IT all depends if you use them correctly and what your true intentions are about getting on a maintenence system. I have used both methadone and suboxone in the past and had good results until I eventually reverted back to my old ways. The thing is they are not a solution to our problem. Suboxone i BELIEVE IS AND CAN BE GREAT TOOL in recovery if you work it to your advantage. If you take steroids because you want to get big and do little to none of the work it takes to get big, you might very well say that steroids SUCK. But if you use them as a tool and do what it takes to get big, there is nothing in the world like a good steroid. In the same way, Suboxone will help you with getting clean and maintaining a much healthier lifestyle, but you have to do a lot of work to get clean bro. There is nothing like sincerely wanting to get better and to feel better about yourself. That's when we begin to make the changes and IMO suboxone is one of the best tools available for this. Again you have to combine it with a lot of other elements (12 step groups or support groups, exercise, good diet, PATIENCE, church, whatever works for you, bro) and the most important ingredient, THE DESIRE TO REALLY want to change. BTW, I'm saying this all to myself also cause we're the same creature, bro. In the words of John, Paul, George and Ringo, "I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together." Best of luck. You're in my prayers.

 

[njpooldude]

WOW!

I cant believe how many ppl here have been down this road...

Well... me too

How the hell can you " use" once a week?? shit, i couldnt go more then 5 hours, let alone 5 days! DUDE just stop!!!!!

Im on suboxone..have been for over 2 years now... here is the deal

1- Got my life back
2- started a business ( you guys know that would NOT happen if i was sniffin oc's)
3- Met a great girl, parents are proud of me and GOD is good.

here is what sucks..

1- im still "hooked" on something
2- suboxone withdrawl lol... f'n doctors.. " matt, there is no withdrawl from suboxone.. its all in your head" OK.. so can u explain why im about to take a f'n chainsaw to my legs? why i havent slept in 3 days? Why i yawn every 2 minutes and when im not yawning im sneezing? Or how about why when i watch tv i just start to cry for no reason?! NO WITHDRAWLS MY ASS!!!

you need to DIG DEEP inside yourself brotha.. if you can manage to get high ONCE a week.. you can manage to kick the shit.. DONE!! plain and simple.. There is no such thing as an addict getin high once a week..lol, thats like a bodybuilder workin out once a week...

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
The courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

PM me anytime.. that goes for any of you dudes...
nice to know im not the only one here...

 

[njpooldude]

ya know, when i was going to the NA meetings if you were on suboxone, you werent clean.... How are some of you guys sponsors while on suboxone?

Im not saying your not clean.. trust me

I was the one who was not getting "clean time" key chains because i was on suboxone..... Do the ppl at your meetings not know your on suboxone? Or they do but they still consider you clean?

Im just wondering... not judging ANYONE! Like i said, im on 8-12mg daily myself.

 

[pumpt73]

I cant believe how many ppl here have been down this road...

Well... me too

How the hell can you " use" once a week?? shit, i couldnt go more then 5 hours, let alone 5 days! DUDE just stop!!!!!

Im on suboxone..have been for over 2 years now... here is the deal

1- Got my life back
2- started a business ( you guys know that would NOT happen if i was sniffin oc's)
3- Met a great girl, parents are proud of me and GOD is good.

here is what sucks..

1- im still "hooked" on something
2- suboxone withdrawl lol... f'n doctors.. " matt, there is no withdrawl from suboxone.. its all in your head" OK.. so can u explain why im about to take a f'n chainsaw to my legs? why i havent slept in 3 days? Why i yawn every 2 minutes and when im not yawning im sneezing? Or how about why when i watch tv i just start to cry for no reason?! NO WITHDRAWLS MY ASS!!!

you need to DIG DEEP inside yourself brotha.. if you can manage to get high ONCE a week.. you can manage to kick the shit.. DONE!! plain and simple.. There is no such thing as an addict getin high once a week..lol, thats like a bodybuilder workin out once a week...

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
The courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

PM me anytime.. that goes for any of you dudes...
nice to know im not the only one here...

Bro, your story sounds just like mine. Sometimes I forget to take my suboxone, but I notice it the next day. I get lethargic and edgy. But once that tab goes under my tongue, Im OK. Like you said, you're still on something, but at least you have control and have your life back. And that's something I wouldn't trade for anything.

Like you said bro, you have to dig deep down inside. You have got to want to get clean and stay clean.

I tell ya NJPD, I never realized just how unhealthy the sport of bodybuilding and just wanting to look good in general can be. I've known top level amateurs piss their career's away because of coke, ecstacy, nubain, etc. Opiates almost cost me everything, but I got it under control in time and I wanted it.

 

[SacToSD]

I'm surprised that there are so many with opiate experience, on here. The good news for you is that opiates are probably the least brain/body damaging drugs (compared to cocaine, meth, etc) out there. I've seen this happen to my cousin, and now my uncle... cousin is still "out there," and uncle just got a divorce from his wife of 33 years. That must be some powerful shit. If I can say anything to you, just say no. I'm being serious, here. I've got alcoholism on both sides of my family, and had to deal with my own issues when I was 18-22, but I haven't touched anything for 6 years and haven't looked back. I know that I might have the predisposition (genetic or psychological, I don't know) to be an addict/alcoholic, so what I do is focus on what I can do for myself that is good, these days. I've seen and worked with enough addicts to know, like the 1st reply above said, that those who are ready to change will change. You can't half ass recovery. Get rid of those drugs, already. They're not that great. Sobriety is a lot better than being high all the time... and being high isn't fun, anyways. Think about that, flush your fucking stash, get some OTC sleeping pills (diphenhydramine), rent some movies, and make sure you've got access to some good porno. Delete your dealers numbers, too. Didn't you ever see trainspotting and the "get clean" scene? Maybe you should see trainspotting anyways, not for the stupid dialog or lousy scottish actors, but for the message.

 

[NuKKLeHeaD]

I'm right there with you guys. I have been on suboxone for over a year, and i have not done opiates once during that time. It has given me my life back, and i have gotten my body back to where I want it to be. It is a miracle drug. I am down from 24mg ED to 12mg ED. I hope to be off it completely in the next year. Good luck to the OP, and everyone else struggling with opiate addiction. It is the toughest thing a man can go through, IMO.

 

[whiteknucks]

Ok bros, here it goes. Since I was 17 I have on and off used painkillers and heroin. My longest period of sobriety was about two years. At the end of that period I had 3 relatively major surgeries and after the last round of pain meds for the 3rd surgery I never could get clean. Before that time I had never been to rehab, and never needed to. I was always able to get clean. Over the last year I have been struggling to try and stay sober with little to no success. I have managed about 2 months at a time over the past year. I can limit myself to only using one day a week but that leaves me feeling crappy and in a mild withdrawal for about 3 days after that. I have been to rehab twice in the past year. Neither stint was overly helpful in my opinion other than the detox which for 700 a day I can manage myself. I have always wanted to avoid the 'maintenance' programs like methadone and suboxone, but it is looking like these may be my only real choice at this point. Two weeks ago my usual once a week habit became a binge after a few rounds of bad news. My new girlfriend and I broke up. I found out that someone I was seeing when we were broken up previously is now pregnant with what she claims to be my child, and I am having a rough time at work.

While I frown upon maintenance programs because it leaves you extremely addicted to opiates, suboxone is light-years ahead of the oldschool methadone and is much more easily manageable.

My life is slowly losing its balance and I'm hoping that one of these programs could atleast help me get things stable for now. Also during my brief periods of sobreity since my habit picked back up post surgeries I have not ever felt very good. Even during the 2 month period I was sluggish and lethargic all the time, and just kinda depressed. I understand 2 months is nothing and my brain probably had not recovered, but I'm hoping suboxone maintenance will leave me feeling somewhat normal again.

Anyone who has done either program and would like to comment would be very helpful in my decision making. If I decide to go to a clinic it will be for suboxone as money isn't a huge problem for me and suboxone seems to be by far the superior of the two drugs.

i know several people that used suboxone and it worked wonders!

man realize that you have one life to live and addiction is a terrible way to waste it!
it takes up too much will power that you could be using for something else.

good luck to you!

 

[engbulldog]

Ok I might be out of line here but could you or have you thought about finding a hobbie other than lifting to keep your mind off the pain meds like model cars, rc cars,playing pool,The reason I say this is a few years ago my ex and I broke up and I lost my job and I started drinking ALOT , it was a 22oz a day then a 6-pack,then 12-pack and a duce!!!! but I found myself sitting on the shitter and as I looked at the fat rolls I said to my self Fuck this and the next day I bought a year membership to powerhouse gym and since then I have never looked back and after tearing my ACL I had a few mths of down time and fell back into the same loop of drinking like a fish then my best friend passed away from drinking and it woke up the engbulldog again!!! So I bought two RC TRUCKS and started to enjoy my life again, and started lifting , by no means is this the same but we all have or had issues with our lives and some rise above all the shit and do something about it and others stay in the same place like GROUND HOG day hope this helps and this is not to flame ya in way but just sit back and look at what you have and be thankful for it and look at what you want and go for it!!!!

 

[tpd01883]

I never really bring this one up, but since I relate alot...

I was opiate dependant for like 2yrs after a back injury. It started with being prescribed pain killers until I was dependant then it moved from there.

I tried rehabs, NA, everything I could think of, but I just couldn't stop.

Until last november. I went to a doctor that prescribed me suboxone. From there I just never used again. Not since the first time that I put one in my mouth. All those bad things associated with stopping opiates even after withdrawal weren't there. The suboxone corrects everything, even the hormone supression that's been induced by the opiates.

It also turned out to help with my back pain a lot too.

I got right back into working out, it took me like 4 months of cutting to get rid of all the fat I'd accumulated, and it sucked. But now I'm back to lifting as usual and things are going as good as they could possibly be.

If you stay sober, things will get better. I promise you.

So you are on the suboxone? My shrink really wants me to give it a go. I'm somehow somewhat managing not to go crazy with my usage of smack but it's only a matter of time and honestly i think the time has already come where i've lost any semblance of control again.

 

[pumpt73]

So you are on the suboxone? My shrink really wants me to give it a go. I'm somehow somewhat managing not to go crazy with my usage of smack but it's only a matter of time and honestly i think the time has already come where i've lost any semblance of control again.

Ya know what bro??? What can it hurt to at least try at this stage??? Go for it TPD. Make sure you surround yourself with a good support group as well. I won't lie, I rarely talk to two of my closest friends anymore because they refuse to give up the pills and I will not let myself be around it anymore.

That's one of the hardest things in the World to do, is to cut ties with close friends. I never did heroin, but I did use Nubain which is nothing more than lab made heroin if you ask me. I mainlined for 3 years. You can beat this bro. Get on the Suboxone, get around you family and GOOD friends. Delete ALL numbers and emails of people you know you can get junk from. It's a huge step, but if you want to change, you have to make changes. You can do it bro, you just have to WANT it.

I've been on the Suboxone since January and just like everyone else, haven't touched anything. I haven't had the need to. It curbs any cravings you have. Sure, from time to time, I still want to use, but I open up my Suboxone, place my tab under my tongue, and those thoughts are gone. Give it a try my friend. You CAN have your life back, and you deserve to have your life back.

 

[Gunner Unitas]

suboxone saved my life

 

[pumpt73]

suboxone saved my life

Amen Gunner. I honestly think I would be dead had I not decided to get on Suboxone. I don't like being on anything, but if it's something like this that's going to help me keep my life in order, then by all means, Im doing it.