What did using more then a gram do ?

[beastmode121]

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I never used anything over a gram.

For the people that did, how did you feel?
Improved physique? Strength? Felt like a god?
more sides? never again?
Do you recommend it? What AAS over a gram shined for you?

For any AAS.. not just test.

I have all the questions, shoot !

 

[PhillD]

EQ over a gram is a must
veins all over
no side
good bulk compound

 

[danieltx]

I love testosterone over a gram as I tolerate testosterone very well - never had gyno, never lost hair, etc.

I don't believe I would've made it to a lean 290s without going over a gram (actually over 2 grams) of testosterone. Or benched 500 x 4, Hack squatted 750 x 10, etc.

I run other compound at pretty standard dosages but with testosterone I haven't found an upper limit - the more the better.

Regarding how you feel, I always think I feel really good on high dosage but when I bring it down to a close to HRT dose like 250-300mg of testosterone I realize I feel much better in every way on that. I definitely don't feel bad on high dosages, just don't feel as good as you think you do.

 

[Virtuous]

thickness, strength, recovery, but mainly the ability to eat a shitload and actually use the food without getting sloppy. Recently bumped up over 2g (test and mast) and my wife has said I’m noticeably bigger without being fatter. That’s anecdotal, but when someone who sees you every day notices, it means more than someone who sees you once a month.

Of course, I assume for this question you’re making the presumption that training/diet justifies the increase in gear. Blasting a couple grams while training like a TikTok slut and eating like shit will just result in crap progress and problems.

 

[165StateChamp]

A single AAS over a gram or total AAS over a gram?

I thought this thread meant a single AAS but now I’m confused by the response above.

 

[Virtuous]

A single AAS over a gram or total AAS over a gram?

I thought this thread meant a single AAS but now I’m confused by the response above.

I probably answered wrong, but answer still works - first time hitting 1g or more on test (or anything else) ever

 

[bbxtreme]

Test at a gram and above is where it really shines in my experience as long as you eat the calories to match it. I believe many guys could do Test alone over a gram and make tremendous gains as long as blood work remained clean.

EQ is the same- around 1200mg and the fullness and vascularity are great. Until 2-3 years ago I never ran anything but the two very long.

I’ve never taken any other compound over 600mg a week. The side effects of Tren or NPP wouldn’t be worth it to me, nor needed IMO to get results.

I’d venture to say Mast and Primo could be used that high as many run Primo up there, but if 400mg - 600mg does the job there’s no need to push more.

 

[Fleezy]

EQ is the same- around 1200mg and the fullness and vascularity are great.

how does EQ fullness compare to fullness from say, 10iu gh?

does combining the two lead to even more fullness in your experience?

im going for the 'blown up tick' look

 

[KillerStack]

Ric Drasin and others said back in the day they did 50-100mg of EQ a week and it was amazing and they exploded with gains.

(this is just my type of "gear humor." never mind)

 

[Fleezy]

Ric Drasin and others said back in the day they did 50-100mg of EQ a week and it was amazing and they exploded with gains.

(this is just my type of "gear humor." never mind)

an old gym buddy told me he gained 20lbs in 2 weeks on EQ


so there's some more bullshit for you

 

[buck]

The most i ever ran was pushing 1500mg/week. The difference between 1000 and 1500 was nothing that i could tell.

 

[bbxtreme]

how does EQ fullness compare to fullness from say, 10iu gh?

does combining the two lead to even more fullness in your experience?

im going for the 'blown up tick' look

For me it’s very different than GH. At that dosage you’re like a roadmap of veins. I was doing arms a few weeks back and the pump was almost painful.

If it’s fullness you’re going for I would pick high dose EQ or Primo. Primo gives more of that old school full Arnold look. Whereas EQ will be “close” but much more vascularity.

 

[Elvia1023]

The compounds used make a MASSIVE difference. 200mg tren does for to me than any dose of test. That might sound silly and sure higher test would enable me to grow more but in regards to just how I look on that cycle the small dose of tren is miles better. High primo doesn't do a great deal to me and it's a nice addition and helps create solid gains but just another example of going higher in dose and not having a massive effect on me.

I honestly don't notice much difference from going up in doses and for most things the higher doses go against me and I start to feel and look worse. I have posted some of my best pics on here on 500mg total gear and others I was on closer to 1.5g gear. If using compounds/doses that suit me I get increased results as I get higher and my sweet spot in probably about 1.5g. Although it's not like going from 1g to 1.5g creates 10 more pounds for me.

I know many who say the more I took of x compound the better and better I got and I wish that was the case for me. I have tried close to 2 grams of test and I genuinely felt and looked worse from it. It does nothing for me. Higher deca is great for me but 1g is plenty and laws of diminishing returns comes into play. Deca is one of the only things that doesn't make me feel like crap at higher doses.

For me it's usually a balancing act and picking a few compounds at small-moderate doses for optimal results and minimal side effects. When I do that I go up to approx 1.5g and get much more there than I would with just 1 compound. I am not aiming for a particular dose I just use certain doses of certain compounds and I usually end up around there. I couldn't care less if that was 1g, 2g or 3g's but it just seems to be around 1.5g most higher dosed cycles now.

Everyone is so different so what works for us might not work for you. Everyone's response to test is vastly different and many are like me, others are worse and some love it more the higher they go. Plus I don't even get gyno or anything like that I just feel like complete shit on high doses.

My answers at 39 are also vastly different than at 29. When I was younger I could run tren and eq etc. Now I struggle to use both but eq is ok but it doesn't do a great deal to me. Even when I used 900mg when I was young it didn't do anything special to me. I experimented and went up to 1.4g primo and it was nothing incredible for me. I could have got the same effect injecting 20mg tren a daily... not even joking. Literally 14ml and a large amount of money every week compared to 1.4ml weekly and it costing pennies. There is a time and place for many things and I am not saying don't use primo because it can be great for you (many people's fav compound) but just talking about what I personally got from it for that cycle.

Orals are what have given me "wow" gains and that's usually at standard doses. 50-100mg adrol, 30-50mg dbol, 50mg winny, 40-60mg tbol, 40-60mg avar, 10-30mg sdrol etc. These days I can't take the higher side of those ranges but I can use 50mg adrol, 30mg dbol, 50mg winny, 40mg avar and 10mg sdrol. 10-20mg sdrol can transform a physique (plus give bad side effects) and that's a tiny total dose so just another example of compound being more of a factor than total dose.

Everyone is different but if you are not trying to win an open show and be a complete freak I think 1g total is more than enough for good gains. When I try and grow I often go with 600mg test and 400mg deca. I used those sort of doses when I first started. I used double that for my 2nd cycle (1.2g test and 900mg deca so far too much) but later used lower doses. All these years later and looking much better I am back to where I started doses wise. 600mg test and 400mg deca is a typical first cycle all over now but that is plenty imo even for guys more advanced. I personally would add in 200-300mg mast over time and maybe an oral here and there and that's why I usually get to closer to 1.5g in total as those are my main compounds (test, deca and mast).

If I am cutting I can honestly do it with 40-50mg test p and 20-40mg tren a. That's all I need. Sure I can add in 20-40mg mast p and 40-60mg avar and they will help matters but the test and tren is all I need to get the results I want. Others may want to get as freaky as possible so they add in higher doses and more compounds and that's fine too but I have never needed to do that because the difference in look at the end is pretty minimal for me. Well 50mg winny can do wonders when you are lean so there are options but it doesn't make a huge difference to me as long as I have a few compound in at high enough doses. I could throw in 1.5g test and 900mg tren e and I would be a walking anxious wreck so there is no point. When I could take tren the highest I done was 100mg per day but I didn't even last 2 weeks but sure 60-80mg could do wonders but as long as I have some in there I will look my best. Last time I tried it I couldn't use it even at a tiny dose so had to stop.

So for me nothing has shined at over 1g. As stated I wish that wasn't the case. It would be great to use test only and get more from the higher the dose. If that actually happened to me I would have used a much higher total mg than I have but I only feel worse from higher doses. The only thing that really shines is deca for me but I don't think you will get much more using 1.5g compared to 1g and I personally think 600-900mg is plenty. For primo if you like it then that could really shine at over 1g but only because I think it's fairly mild so you need a high dose for it to do it's job. I don't notice much of anything using low doses of primo. Masteron I get anxious at higher doses so I have always just used it as a compliment so 200-400mg per week but I want to use it at closer to 600mg now. Eq is another one that some get really great results using very high doses but again others can barely use 600mg because of anxiety so everyone responds differently. If you are good with eq it's something that could be worth experimenting with higher doses. The highest I have used was 900mg and it was decent but nothing incredible for me and I used that very early on.

 

[Bio]

Back in the day it was always 1.2 to 1.5 grams of Test E or C. The reason being, it was either Test 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml, whatever was available. Strength was awesome, like danieltx said. I used 600mg of Deca with that. That was my go to for a long time. Like someone else said, you have to eat enough to get the maximum gains.

 

[Elvia1023]

I can't edit my post so just one addition...

The only compounds I would research into possibly dosing above that range would be test, deca, primo, eq or mast. When guys want to get huge they may go with anything from 750-3000mg test, 400-1500mg deca, 600-1500mg primo, 600-1500mg eq and 400-1000mg masteron. Obviously not all together but picking test and 1 of the others at the same time. Test and primo, test and eq, test and mast etc. When using test and deca I do like to add some masteron in there and 200-400mg is plenty. If you have never gone high in dose don't go too high as big jumps are unneeded. Incidentally right now I am using test and mast and I am going to end it at 900mg test e and 600mg mast e.

 

[Zamun]

I can't edit my post so just one addition...

The only compounds I would research into possibly dosing above that range would be test, deca, primo, eq or mast. When guys want to get huge they may go with anything from 750-3000mg test, 400-1500mg deca, 600-1500mg primo, 600-1500mg eq and 400-1000mg masteron. Obviously not all together but picking test and 1 of the others at the same time. Test and primo, test and eq, test and mast etc. When using test and deca I do like to add some masteron in there and 200-400mg is plenty. If you have never gone high in dose don't go too high as big jumps are unneeded. Incidentally right now I am using test and mast and I am going to end it at 900mg test e and 600mg mast e.

Do you notice more from mast than you do primo? In terms of cosmetic effect.

 

[Elvia1023]

Do you notice more from mast than you do primo? In terms of cosmetic effect.

Definitely. I am also a fan of using certain AAS that help prevent side effects from other AAS so I don't have to add in more drugs. Masteron is great for me when using test as it means I don't have to use an AI because they are often side effects in a bottle for me. Obviously primo can do that for many as well but I do prefer mast. For a healthy but freaky look with minimal toxicity I like to use test and mast. Now if I want to turn things up I pick from avar or winny (both could be used) and I can look quite nasty from that combo. Can't forget the synthetine and cialis as well though as they are stables when I want to really stand out (vascularity).

 

[Zamun]

Definitely. I am also a fan of using certain AAS that help prevent side effects from other AAS so I don't have to add in more drugs. Masteron is great for me when using test as it means I don't have to use an AI because they are often side effects in a bottle for me. Obviously primo can do that for many as well but I do prefer mast. For a healthy but freaky look with minimal toxicity I like to use test and mast. Now if I want to turn things up I pick from avar or winny (both could be used) and I can look quite nasty from that combo. Can't forget the synthetine and cialis as well though as they are stables when I want to really stand out (vascularity).

Appreciate the detailed posts as always

 

[st114]

Is this referring to a gram total of gear? Or a gram of an individual compound.

I think even my first cycle I went over a gram honestly.

Only thing I’ve run over gram itself is Anadrol, which I’ve run 150mg/day which is 1050mg a week. Saw massive strength gains, insane aggression, and got pretty yoked with no bloat. Felt like shit though. My mindset got bad and I kind of hated everyone and had some very dark thoughts. I’m an adult and could handle it though. Except one time I was deadlifting and my wife texted me after she had been nagging me all day about random stuff, and she told me to do the dishes when I got home. I sent a few long texts detailing how much more I work than her, how much she sleeps, etc.
Bad idea. It is definitely drug related as this “mindset shift” goes away after a few hours. Great for lifting heavy though

 

[MAD_SCIENTIST]

Is this referring to a gram total of gear? Or a gram of an individual compound.

I think even my first cycle I went over a gram honestly.

Only thing I’ve run over gram itself is Anadrol, which I’ve run 150mg/day which is 1050mg a week. Saw massive strength gains, insane aggression, and got pretty yoked with no bloat. Felt like shit though. My mindset got bad and I kind of hated everyone and had some very dark thoughts. I’m an adult and could handle it though. Except one time I was deadlifting and my wife texted me after she had been nagging me all day about random stuff, and she told me to do the dishes when I got home. I sent a few long texts detailing how much more I work than her, how much she sleeps, etc.
Bad idea. It is definitely drug related as this “mindset shift” goes away after a few hours. Great for lifting heavy though

Ex-wife now?


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