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when is long enough ENOUGH?

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Dating is one of those things that can be quite fun, adventurous, time comsuming, and at the same time, untruthful, fake, and uncomfortable. it is what you make of it. typically you date someone, after deciding you would like to get to know them on a more personal level. too many people date just to date, simply because they want to get into eachothers pants, and then 3 months later, they are left with a bunch of questions asking themselves, "hmm, i didnt see that coming" or "wow, when did he/she start doing that?" all the while, the sex had blurred their vision in seeing who that person really truly is as an individual. What happened to dating someone, to get to know them, the decide if you would pursue a relationship, or decide to just be friends? now its too revolved around instant gratification. not to say that ATTRACTION isnt a MUST, as we all know it TRULY IS, but to say, instead of getting to know someone in the improper form, and order, people should take their time. OTH had a great point recently, when talking about dating. have you ever realized how much easier it is to break up with someone that you dont feel is your match when you HAVE NOT slept with them? think about it.. its a TON EASIER. but when sex and unhealthy emotion is involved, it makes it GUT WRENCHING for one side of the party.. someone is always left with that hurt feeling. a feeling of being taken advantage of. which brings me to my question. just outta curiousity, when you are dating someone, how long do YOU wait until you get intimate with them? do you wait til you know them and are attracted to MORE than just their physical body? or do you do it as fast as you can?
 
maxsupplements said:
have you ever realized how much easier it is to break up with someone that you dont feel is your match when you HAVE NOT slept with them?

lol well yea cause that is just a friendship not dating and no I don't know from personal experience cause never dated anyone without sleeping with them :)


CROWLER
 
Crowler said:
lol well yea cause that is just a friendship not dating and no I don't know from personal experience cause never dated anyone without sleeping with them :)


CROWLER
WOW
 
Crowler said:
lol well yea cause that is just a friendship not dating and no I don't know from personal experience cause never dated anyone without sleeping with them :)


CROWLER

yea, WOW...


crowler, i didnt mean you had to stand 6 feet away from them at all times.. i was saying the SEX part.. the actual INTERCOURSE.

you are right, that would be friendship without the attraction or physical part. you are still free to kiss, make out, and get hot and heavy. but when God created Sex, He created it for a husband and wife to be cherished in the COVENTANT of marriage.

but man, i was not saying you had to sit 6 feet away from your "friend" with your chasity belt on :)
 
i'm actually going through this same issue right now. i recently decided to pursue a relationship with a girl i've been friends with for 2 yrs. and i'm gonna try to actually NOT have sex with her for a good while, possibly til marriage, if that's in the cards. it's a constant battle in my head though. i want it, BAD, but think it'd be smart to get to know HER completely, emotionally and spiritually, before taking it to that level. cause every other relationship i've had was more physical oriented than anything. i KNOW it's not going to be easy though.
 
maxsupplements said:
yea, WOW...
when God created Sex, He created it for a husband and wife to be cherished in the COVENTANT of marriage.

Therein lies your problem
 
Kahn said:
Therein lies your problem

hmm MY problem?!?!? well, then.. :eek: it is TOO bad you look at it this way.

:cool:
 
What if she is a tranny and you never knew.. HAHAHAHAHAQHAHA

TO Me sex is an important part of relationship what is wifey only wants sex once a month and expects you not to jerk off our look else where isnt that marriage doomed to failure?

What if you on 1000mgs of sus and want to fuck 2 times a day and she is like we had sex 2 weeks ago cant u wait, or sex is for baby making and we dont want to have kids yet
 
Crowler said:
lol well yea cause that is just a friendship not dating and no I don't know from personal experience cause never dated anyone without sleeping with them :)


CROWLER
I am the exact same. About 135 times...
 
HAHAHAA...THAT'S WHY YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT, BROTHER!

vitor said:
What if she is a tranny and you never knew.. HAHAHAHAHAQHAHA

TO Me sex is an important part of relationship what is wifey only wants sex once a month and expects you not to jerk off our look else where isnt that marriage doomed to failure?

What if you on 1000mgs of sus and want to fuck 2 times a day and she is like we had sex 2 weeks ago cant u wait, or sex is for baby making and we dont want to have kids yet

HAHAHA...I AGREE YOU WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THEIR EQUIPEMENT AND THEIR SEX DRIVE AND ALL THAT...TOO MANY OF MY MARRIED FRIENDS BITCH ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SEX THEY GET...AND I ALWAYS THINK...'YOUR MARRIED HER'...LOL....THOSE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED THOROUGHLY BEFORE MARRIAGE....AND....THE DATING PROCESS SHOULD BE LONG...IN MY OPINION. I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO HANG IN THERE AND SEE WHAT YOU'VE REALLY GOT ON YOUR HANDS!

COULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS TELLING YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR JUST TO GET MARRIED. SCARRRRY!:D
 
maxsupplements said:
when God created Sex, He created it for a husband and wife to be cherished in the COVENTANT of marrige

No bashing here. I would like to say however that I study religion and not just one but all of them, and personally do not adhear to a single one. This is a very touchy subject so I will make my point and back away. While you may believe that god created sex for a husband and wife, people who believe in the exact same god as you, but maybe not same religion, believe quite differently. Some believe that man is meant to have more than one wife.

IMO, if "GOD" created us. Then why did he give most men the hormones that we have, and then expect us to stick to one vagina. We are human and have a higher intellect then say a dog, but we are still creatures of the earth and what other creature of the earth chooses one mate and sticks with them the rest of their life. I can think of not one. It is our very intellect that screws us up. The "lesser" creatures of the world go about their lives not giving a thought to , "well god said I needed to stay with you for the rest of my life so here we go." Point being. IMO, to sleep around is more godly like and human than to choose one partner for the rest of ones life. Why else would the institution of marrige be in decay?
 
Philips said:
No bashing here. I would like to say however that I study religion and not just one but all of them, and personally do not adhear to a single one. This is a very touchy subject so I will make my point and back away. While you may believe that god created sex for a husband and wife, people who believe in the exact same god as you, but maybe not same religion, believe quite differently. Some believe that man is meant to have more than one wife.

IMO, if "GOD" created us. Then why did he give most men the hormones that we have, and then expect us to stick to one vagina. We are human and have a higher intellect then say a dog, but we are still creatures of the earth and what other creature of the earth chooses one mate and sticks with them the rest of their life. I can think of not one. It is our very intellect that screws us up. The "lesser" creatures of the world go about their lives not giving a thought to , "well god said I needed to stay with you for the rest of my life so here we go." Point being. IMO, to sleep around is more godly like and human than to choose one partner for the rest of ones life. Why else would the institution of marrige be in decay?
No bashing seen in any way. Your point is as valid as anyone else's! Maybe I can give you a prod in the right direction here or at least waste some time typing a post. Let's see what science tells us before we even get into all the religious complications. Lets start on the fact that maaaaany animals mate for life including gibbon apes, wolves, termites, coyotes, barn owls, beavers, bald eagles, golden eagles, condors, swans, brolga cranes, French angel fish, sandhill cranes, pigeons, prions (a seabird), red-tailed hawks, anglerfish, ospreys, prairie voles (a rodent), black vultures and many, many more. Primates, fish, birds, all forms. Not all do of course. Consider also the fact that mating is a basic instinctual act. Marriage is the highly ritualized ceremony that occur in many cultures, some which do not even believe in a singular god and still it's considered a lifetime bond. Not that you'll ever find a culture, not in all history, that was atheist by choice and simply worshiped nothing. Due to the overwhelming evidence as seen in our, and all prehistoric times, its seems in our biology, for some reason, to worship a higher power. Although we do not know for certain why, we see evidence of an area of the brain geared specifically for this and we have seen this play out in experiments involving psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs where people actually believe they had a religious experience. Perhaps certain chemicals create an enlightenment in an instant that takes holy people (monks,etc.) years to achieve. So if our basic desire is to believe, we would have to choose NOT to believe in a higher power due to lack of evidence (or whatever reason). Regarding religions now. That's not quite as easy. A religion is also a highly developed ritualistic practice that evolved from another basic biological desire (just like marriage did). Marriage and religions didn't come first. The biological need came first and the highly advanced and ritualized behaviors formed much later and have been evolving ever since.

Marriages fail often today. This is a fact. But why? Is it because of promiscuity? Is that the reason? Unlikely. In fact, impossible. We most strongly bond to our "first love" and bond less tightly to each subsequent relationship. How many divorces are on the grounds of infidelity? Very few. If there is infidelity there is usually something problematic first that then became adulterous.

All of this is a "Which came first?" ideology. Which formed first? Belief in a higher power or disbelief? Which happened first? Mating for life or promiscuity? which came first? Mating for life or marriage? Which came first? Belief in a higher power or the religions of the world? When you consider what came first, you have the answer to your basic questions of "are people this way or are they that way?"

Look at a male's jealousy. Why should a person care if a particular woman mates with someone else? What's the mechanism? After all, why should he care? The answer is not "just because". Jealousy is a higher emotion that evolved to gaurd one specific thing. A male's desire to see to it that his sperm reaches a female's egg before another male's. If a female has multiple mates in a particular month, the chances of passing on his genes would be greatly diminished. And let's not underestimate the power of the desire to reproduce. Parents will die for their children. A man will kill another man if he feels that man threatens his chances of reproduction with a particular female. Ro murder in a "jealous rage" is simply the ultimate expression of the male's desire to reproduce. So first comes the desire to reproduce, then comes the desire to ensure ones genes are passed on correctly, then comes jealousy, etc.

More on this later. I'm starving.
 
OuchThatHurts said:
No bashing seen in any way. Your point is as valid as anyone else's! Maybe I can give you a prod in the right direction here or at least waste some time typing a post. Let's see what science tells us before we even get into all the religious complications. Lets start on the fact that maaaaany animals mate for life including gibbon apes, wolves, termites, coyotes, barn owls, beavers, bald eagles, golden eagles, condors, swans, brolga cranes, French angel fish, sandhill cranes, pigeons, prions (a seabird), red-tailed hawks, anglerfish, ospreys, prairie voles (a rodent), black vultures and many, many more. Primates, fish, birds, all forms. Not all do of course. Consider also the fact that mating is a basic instinctual act. Marriage is the highly ritualized ceremony that occur in many cultures, some which do not even believe in a singular god and still it's considered a lifetime bond. Not that you'll ever find a culture, not in all history, that was atheist by choice and simply worshiped nothing. Due to the overwhelming evidence as seen in our, and all prehistoric times, its seems in our biology, for some reason, to worship a higher power. Although we do not know for certain why, we see evidence of an area of the brain geared specifically for this and we have seen this play out in experiments involving psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs where people actually believe they had a religious experience. Perhaps certain chemicals create an enlightenment in an instant that takes holy people (monks,etc.) years to achieve. So if our basic desire is to believe, we would have to choose NOT to believe in a higher power due to lack of evidence (or whatever reason). Regarding religions now. That's not quite as easy. A religion is also a highly developed ritualistic practice that evolved from another basic biological desire (just like marriage did). Marriage and religions didn't come first. The biological need came first and the highly advanced and ritualized behaviors formed much later and have been evolving ever since.

Marriages fail often today. This is a fact. But why? Is it because of promiscuity? Is that the reason? Unlikely. In fact, impossible. We most strongly bond to our "first love" and bond less tightly to each subsequent relationship. How many divorces are on the grounds of infidelity? Very few. If there is infidelity there is usually something problematic first that then became adulterous.

All of this is a "Which came first?" ideology. Which formed first? Belief in a higher power or disbelief? Which happened first? Mating for life or promiscuity? which came first? Mating for life or marriage? Which came first? Belief in a higher power or the religions of the world? When you consider what came first, you have the answer to your basic questions of "are people this way or are they that way?"

Look at a male's jealousy. Why should a person care if a particular woman mates with someone else? What's the mechanism? After all, why should he care? The answer is not "just because". Jealousy is a higher emotion that evolved to gaurd one specific thing. A male's desire to see to it that his sperm reaches a female's egg before another male's. If a female has multiple mates in a particular month, the chances of passing on his genes would be greatly diminished. And let's not underestimate the power of the desire to reproduce. Parents will die for their children. A man will kill another man if he feels that man threatens his chances of reproduction with a particular female. Ro murder in a "jealous rage" is simply the ultimate expression of the male's desire to reproduce. So first comes the desire to reproduce, then comes the desire to ensure ones genes are passed on correctly, then comes jealousy, etc.

More on this later. I'm starving.
Impressive, Doc. I'm eagerly awaiting part deux.... :)
 
Natural instinct for human males and for the vast majority of male animals is to have multiple sex partners and to not want their sex partners to be with other males.

Human's have 'evolved' to where it is unaceptable in most societies for a male to have numerous partners and for his female partners to only be with him, right or wrong. Testosterone levels have a MAJOR impact in the actions of a human male. I would love to see a study on the natural test levels of American prisoners. My bet would be the prisoners convicted of violent crimes, in particular, rape, burglery, assault, murder etc are far above the average American male.

Guessing this is one of the reasons for making uniques out of slaves long ago, to protect your wives, reduce their macho behavior, make them easier to train and maybe even to protect your farm animals lol

Discuss :)



CROWLER
 
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Crowler said:
Natural instinct for human males and for the vast majority of male animals is to have multiple sex partners and to not want their sex partners to be with other males.
Is that a fact?
Human's have 'evolved' to where it is unaceptable in most societies for a male to have numerous partners and for his female partners to only be with him, right or wrong.
Yes but in some cultures it's women who are allowed to have more than one husband. So are you saying that men have a biological need to have multiple sex partners?
Testosterone levels have a MAJOR impact in the actions of a human male. I would love to see a study on the natural test levels of American prisoners. My bet would be the prisoners convicted of violent crimes, in particular, rape, burglery, assault, murder etc are far above the average American male.
I'm sure you'll find that difficult to determine. While some studies have shown violent sex offenders to have high testosterone levels, non-violent sex offenders may have normal or even below normal levels. Other studies show nothing conclusive and still others tend to indicate that what you are saying is true. We don't quite know for sure. Are you suggesting that polygamy and high testosterone are related?
Guessing this is one of the reasons for making uniques out of slaves long ago, to protect your wives, reduce their macho behavior, make them easier to train and maybe even to protect your farm animals lol

Discuss :)



CROWLER
I'm leaving your slave/eunuch theory out of this. Bizarre! All this tells me is that you are two things: polygamous and very, very WHITE LOL

Let me ask you this: Do you think men and women are biologically designed to have multiple partners or not? Take a moment to answer because while some men and women cheat on their mates, most people also entertain the idea of suicide and sometimes even commit the act. Are we biologically designed to end our own lives? Before you think apples and oranges, try to realize that I'm only pointing suicide out as it blatantly flies in the face of our most basic instincts (okay, and a little bit for affect).
 
strongmind said:
Impressive, Doc. I'm eagerly awaiting part deux.... :)
Thank you. Part deux coming thru.... lol

But why just observe when it's so much more fun to participate? I'd like to hear your opinion.... Part un.
 
Testosterone levels have a MAJOR impact in the actions of a human male. I would love to see a study on the natural test levels of American prisoners. My bet would be the prisoners convicted of violent crimes, in particular, rape, burglery, assault, murder etc are far above the average American male

Hokanson (1969)Hormones serve the primary purpose of readying the individual for action, but other factors determine whether the individual actually engages in sexual activity.

O'Donohue & Plaud, (1994).Conditioning is believed to influence sexual motivation. Certain stimuli may increase sexual arousal. It has also been proposed that conditioning accounts for sexually dysfunctional behaviors and sexual deviance.
 
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SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

Leigh, B. C. (1989) Fear of rejection, a learned component, is the reason most often given by single men for not engaging in sex.
 
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Look at a male's jealousy. Why should a person care if a particular woman mates with someone else? What's the mechanism? After all said:
To be honest I don't think the jealousy has anything to do with another males sperm reaching my girls egg. I am a hispanic "macho" male and I just don't want my girl to get banged by some other guy. The thought of her moaning, making faces, etc with some other man is what drives it.

Oh and I'm the same way as Crowler. I've never "dated" a girl that i didn't sleep with. Some just took longer than others and that was fine.
 

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